Thank Labor Unions.

[Al Azar]

Exactly!

When union success translates into higher product costs, companies must either increase prices, absorb the losses, fold their tent, or move to friendlier environs. Autos are still being built ... just not-so-much in Detroit.

How do you think those auto workers feel about their (non-existent) jobs now?

The unions were successful? Who was unsuccessful? Who dropped the ball? Which side should be congratulated, and which side has some 'splainin' to do, to the companies' owners?

 

[Rustic]

It's Called over paying the employee, that price has to be passed on in someway. LOL

Why in the world would any competent manager overpay an employee?

Unions do it all the time so they can get their kickbacks. LOL

 

[Windship]

You don't understand manufacturing do you? Labor cost has to be passed on to somebody LOL

Of course, all the costs of manufacturing have to be passed on to the consumer. But how can there be manufacturing without labor? You do understand what "manufacture" means, right?

Passedto the consumer is bull shit. Yeah. They will try. Heres a lil story about eggs.
The gov came in and made chicken farmers double the size of the cages. The company says no problem. We will just double the price of eggs! Good plan, huh? So the egg prices doubled (I payed 199 dz today in soCal)and guess what. No one bought the eggs. Now, you can buy eggs once more for 150-200 dz and guess what?!/...the egg farmer is STILL making money hand over fist.

 

[Al Azar]

Unions do it all the time so they can get their kickbacks. LOL

Oh, so the companies are complicit in a criminal enterprise.

They should bite the dust, the bastards.

 

[Rustic]

You don't understand manufacturing do you? Labor cost has to be passed on to somebody LOL

Of course, all the costs of manufacturing have to be passed on to the consumer. But how can there be manufacturing without labor? You do understand what "manufacture" means, right?

The profits/loss report tells what an employee should get...not a fucked up control freak government. Lol

 

[Windship]

Exactly!

When union success translates into higher product costs, companies must either increase prices, absorb the losses, fold their tent, or move to friendlier environs. Autos are still being built ... just not-so-much in Detroit.

How do you think those auto workers feel about their (non-existent) jobs now?

The unions were successful? Who was unsuccessful? Who dropped the ball? Which side should be congratulated, and which side has some 'splainin' to do, to the companies' owners?

No matter how you slice it. It come down to traitorous greed and unfettered capitalism. (spit)

 

[JoeNormal]

For what?
Another deduction on your pay check?
Support liberals who ship jobs overseas and support an open borders policy? Or be caused the priced the American workers beyond what the market could support! Thank them..bullshit, we should be cursing them!

First of all, if they WERE liberals, they wouldnt be in bed with corporate who pays the politicians to make policy to ship company s overseas. True liberals would not do that. clinton(both)and obama clearly arent liberals. We have seen this from their policy.
What caused the problem is when we started worrying about he global economy more than our own.
This country was the strongest when we mined our own ore, made our own steel and sold it to ourselves. Foreign competition that you are so fond of killed detroit and is killing everything for american workers.

I mostly agree with you except that government doesn't make policy to ship companies overseas. They fail to prevent companies from moving overseas and thereby fail to protect workers from the greedy bastards who run those companies who want more profit for themselves at the expense of the people who built the company and/or served the nation that provided the opportunity for it to grow in the first place.

 

[Rustic]

The union bosses get all the money from their extortion of the business owners… LOL

Wow. Racketeering, eh? That's your explanation for the dire straights auto manufacturing was in?

What was the extortion over? What were the companies doing wrong that they didn't want made public?

The big three were living on borrowed time because of the unions and the ridiculous pain they paid their employees - because of the unions. LOL

 

[Rustic]

5 Ways Liberalism Destroyed Detroit




"Does anybody think it's OK to have 40-year-old trees growing through the roofs of dilapidated houses?" -- Detroit's Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr

"A few years ago, the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research rated Detroit as the most liberal city in America." -- Michael Tanner

Detroit was once one of the world's great cities. It was the 4th largest metropolis in America, jobs were plentiful because of the auto industry, and Motown even kept it on the cutting edge musically.

Unfortunately, from 1962 until the present day, the mayor of Detroit has been a Democrat.

The result?

Detroit's population has dropped from 1.8 million to just over 700,000, the unemployment rate is over 50% if you count the people who've given up on finding jobs, property values have dropped so much you can buy homes in the crime-ridden city for $500, and Detroit has gone bankrupt.

How did Democrats kill one of the most prosperous cities in America? With the same sort of unfettered liberalism that Democrats like Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi want to foist on the rest of the nation.


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1) Unions crippled the auto industry: The Big 3 automakers could afford unions when they practically had a monopoly on auto production in the United States. However, once they started facing real competition from overseas, the unions made them less and less competitive. The unions forced the companies to pay out more than market value for their workers, put stifling work rules in place that made flexibility and innovation difficult, and created generous pension plans that are proving to be unsustainable. This wouldn't have been possible without a symbiotic relationship between the unions and the Democrats in government who tied the hands of the Big 3 automakers and simply wouldn't allow them to get rid of the unions that were slowly strangling them to death. Eventually because of the unions, the Big 3 automakers had to deal with significantly larger costs per car than their overseas competitors and they took it out of the only place they could: the cars. As the quality of their products dropped, their competitors took an ever larger share of their market, and there were fewer jobs to go around. If you want to know why the "Motor City" is up on cinder blocks in Michigan's front yard, this is where it started.

2) White citizens were demonized until they left: Detroit was a heavily segregated city and in 1967, there were black riots. After that, white flight to the suburbs began. This was dramatically exacerbated when Coleman Young became Detroit's first black mayor in 1972. Young was cut from the same cloth as men like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but unlike the two of them, he actually had power. Young systematically drove white government employees out of their jobs so they could be replaced by blacks, was hostile to the white suburbs, and was generally perceived as anti-white. Naturally, a lot of white people just left, which reduced the population and significantly cut into the tax base. Today, Detroit is a 7.9% white city, and if he were alive and kicking, that would probably suit Coleman Young just fine.


3) Out-of-control crime helped drive much of the black middle class out of the city:Ever heard of "Devil's Night?" It's the night before Halloween and in Detroit, fires are set all over the city. Combine the sort of criminal mentality that produces an unofficial "holiday" like that with a sky high unemployment rate and Draconian laws designed to make it difficult for law abiding citizens to arm themselves, and it's not a surprise that crime is a problem in Detroit. However, the issue goes much deeper than that. In case you haven't noticed, in a conflict between a cop and a criminal, the hearts of liberals almost always seem to bleed for the thug. Combine that with the liberal tendency, when money gets tight, to cut essential programs instead of their perks and the goodies they hand out to their supporters, and you end up with a police department that is both dramatically underfunded and completely incompetent.

How bad has it gotten?

"The size of the police force in Detroit has been cut by about 40 percent over the past decade," "it takes (the police) an average of 58 minutes to respond" to a call and the"police solve less than 10 percent of the crimes that are committed in Detroit."


4) Reckless government spending bankrupted the city: Detroit's tax base has been plunging like an anvil dropped into the Marianas Trench and so, in true liberal fashion, liberals have raised taxes to make up for it instead of cutting spending."The city's per-capita tax burden is the highest in Michigan. Detroit has the country's highest property taxes on homes, the top commercial property tax and the second-highest industrial property tax." Unfortunately for Detroit, you can't get blood from a stone. As jobs and wealth fled the city, there was simply less cash available for big government programs, pensions, and the incredibly generous, but almost completely unfunded union health care program. It's fantastic that the city paid "80 percent to 100 percent of retirees' medical costs," but 99.6% of those costs were unfunded. As Obamacare supporters should have learned by now, it's a lot easier for politicians to make big promises about what they’re going to give you than it is to back them up in the real world.


5) The government is completely incompetent: Ever notice that the bigger government seems to get, the less it does anything well? Citizens of Detroit could tell you all about that. The school system is horrible, which explains why a staggering47% of the population is illiterate. In addition, 40% of the street lights don't work, only about 1/3 of the ambulances are running, and 2/3 of the parks have been closed since 2008. Just to give you an idea of its priorities, an independent report in 2012 suggested the city fire 80% of the Water and Sewage Department including a horseshoer" that it has on staff even though it has NO HORSES.. How did the union respond to that report? "They don’t have enough people as it is right now. They are just dreaming to think they can operate that plant with less." Detroit may not have enough police, ambulances, or competent teachers, but if you ever need a horseshoe in the Motor City, they've got you covered.

How was any of THIS caused by a union. Number one clearly states that !!"FOREIGN COMPETITION"!! killed detroit. Not unions. Unions BUILT the country.

High prices caused by the unions inspire and create a situation to move overseas. Entrepreneurs built this country not the fucked up unions asshole…

You unAmerican prick. The WORKERS built the company. So what do ppl like you do? Move offshore for cheap labor and fire all those ppl that made you wealthy. Ur an ass hole.

Rustic grew up on a reservation. Having a job (if he does actually have one) is a new thing for him but now he thinks he has it all figured out.

Sorry, self-employed for over 20 years… LOL

 

[Al Azar]

The profits/loss report tells what an employee should get...not a fucked up control freak government. Lol

Now you're bringing government into it? I thought we were talking about union wages, those employment terms which employers and employees agree to without government interference.

Now government is also to blame for high prices and substandard products?

This is fun. Who else can you try to blame for mismanagement of a company?

 

[SAYIT]

Yes. Unions told god what they wanted...no bargaining at all...just handed god the list of terrorist union demands and god had no choice. Very good.

Some of these posters seem to think this is how it works. Really. They think unions demand and companies roll over without a whimper, even though they hold the workers' jobs in their hands.

sayit doesnt believe we had a strong economy from 1915-1970....lol, wow.

Funny how you conveniently failed to attach the post to which your are whining. Just to make your life even more convenient I've re-posted it below. See if you can quote where I made such a silly claim.
In fact, if you can comprehend English, you will find I specifically explained why our economy was so strong and why unions were able to accomplish so much. They just didn't see the end of the gravy train:

"The post-WW2 economy is gone. The competitive advantage all American manufacturers enjoyed while the rest of the world dug out of the rubble made it easy to give our workers whatever they demanded. Since 1970 we have had to compete with the world for market share for our products, thus the decline in union membership and power.

It's amazing how many loony lefties forget to include those facts into their 'strong economy' from 1945-1969 claims."

Do I have to include a post that describes how water flows or why trees cast shadows?

Wow.

Do you really need me to provide links that will explain to you how robotics and company movement causes job losses?

Just WOW.

 

[Al Azar]

The big three were living on borrowed time because of the unions and the ridiculous pain they paid their employees - because of the unions. LOL

"Ridiculous pain". Can you be more specific? Something more than "a fair day's work for a fair day's pay".

 

[Windship]

Like I said you don't know the hold American unions had on the car company's back then, you also had like 4,000 salaried union members, IE management

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Hey. I was there sonny. I remember when every single car or truck you saw, was an American one. The ceos and shareholders did just fine until greed set in and the corporations started to realize that they can pay politicians off and get what they want. And they ARE...getting what they want.

 

[Rustic]

The profits/loss report tells what an employee should get...not a fucked up control freak government. Lol

Now you're bringing government into it? I thought we were talking about union wages, those employment terms which employers and employees agree to without government interference.

Now government is also to blame for high prices and substandard products?

This is fun. Who else can you try to blame for mismanagement of a company?

The union and federal government or one in the same, a recipe for Mismanagement. Union bosses and career politicians are into each other's pockets… It's called incest

 

[Rustic]

The big three were living on borrowed time because of the unions and the ridiculous pain they paid their employees - because of the unions. LOL

"Ridiculous pain". Can you be more specific? Something more than "a fair day's work for a fair day's pay".

Pay

 

[PredFan]

Unions set the prices? Unions are in charge of Quality Assurance?

Unions cause the price to climb to a point where companies can't be competitive unless they reduce cost of manufacture, thus leading to a less well-made product.

That's not entirely accurate. The advent of robotics (early 1960s) was predictable but its exponential growth has certainly been spurred by union demands that price labor out of the labor market.

But the effects of unions is still being felt in pensions and healthcare. Meanwhile their competitors are also using robotics and don't have the unions to deal with.

 

[Al Azar]

The profits/loss report tells what an employee should get...not a fucked up control freak government. Lol

Now you're bringing government into it? I thought we were talking about union wages, those employment terms which employers and employees agree to without government interference.

Now government is also to blame for high prices and substandard products?

This is fun. Who else can you try to blame for mismanagement of a company?

The union and federal government or one in the same, a recipe for Mismanagement. Union bosses and career politicians are into each other's pockets… It's called incest

OK. I see where this has been going all along. You feel impotent and choose to believe it's a vast conspiracy working against what you know, in your heart, is right.

At least you're being honest about it. Maybe after reading your post the others will come clean, as well.

 

[PredFan]

Thank a union for Detroit

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You like in a dream world of sound bites and bumper stickers. Foreign competition killed detroit moron.

And why did that happen moron? Why
couldn't we compete moron?

 

[Al Azar]

The big three were living on borrowed time because of the unions and the ridiculous pain they paid their employees - because of the unions. LOL

"Ridiculous pain". Can you be more specific? Something more than "a fair day's work for a fair day's pay".

Pay

Yes, pay. What the companies part with to attract and retain workers. We're familiar with the concept.

 

[Rustic]

The profits/loss report tells what an employee should get...not a fucked up control freak government. Lol

Now you're bringing government into it? I thought we were talking about union wages, those employment terms which employers and employees agree to without government interference.

Now government is also to blame for high prices and substandard products?

This is fun. Who else can you try to blame for mismanagement of a company?

The union and federal government or one in the same, a recipe for Mismanagement. Union bosses and career politicians are into each other's pockets… It's called incest

OK. I see where this has been going all along. You feel impotent and choose to believe it's a vast conspiracy working against what you know, in your heart, is right.

At least you're being honest about it. Maybe after reading your post the others will come clean, as well.

The federal government can never be trusted… Fact