Tennessee Seeks tonBar Same Sex Marriage

[TNHarley]

There is no "gay marriage right." You're confusing "rights" with "privileges".

You also have no "right" to an abortion, a free education, free internet, free housing, free food, or a free telephone. Go back and re-read the Constitution and get back to me when you're done.

It became a right when big brother got involved

The best thing that could happen is to remove ALL gov’t involvement in marriage.

Absolutely. Its also discriminatory.

 

[miketx]

Another cut/pasted regressive parasite thread pissing and moaning because normal people don't give a shit about warped sexual deviants and perverts not being accepted as normal...

Because they're not.

Change the fucking record parasite.



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Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

List those hundreds of government benefits you are claiming. We'll wait....

 

[WinterBorn]

Another cut/pasted regressive parasite thread pissing and moaning because normal people don't give a shit about warped sexual deviants and perverts not being accepted as normal...

Because they're not.

Change the fucking record parasite.



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Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

List those hundreds of government benefits you are claiming. We'll wait....

Keep waiting. Google it.

 

[martybegan]

The amount of time, energy, and state money these state legislators spend on this stupidity is astonishing. Don't they have any real responsibilities?

The 14th Amendment exists, Obergefell is precedential, and it would do a great deal of damage to our country and legal system to allow the passing of legislation that is totally ideological in origin and has nothing to do with any legitimate government interest.

Are the people who try to pass these laws "normal"?

They are using the legislative process to voice their views, as is proper.

Obergfell overstepped the bounds of constitutionality, plain and simple. At best what they should have done is force all States to recognize valid Marriage licenses from other States as they always have under full faith and credit, regardless of if the license met the in-state requirements.

 

[martybegan]

No reason to be alarmed. This will fail like the two other times it was introduced.

Exactly. And, probably for the same reason that they failed to repeal it in CA. The judges in that case said that since the right to marry had already been extended to gay couples, and had been in effect for a year, it was not right to take those rights back.

Well there is some brilliant liberal “logic”. It had been illegal for 240 years before that. So using that same line of “logic”, it was never right to take that back and make it legal.

Actually, it is because once a right is given, it cannot be taken back. And, if something is illegal, it is not a right. Might wanna work on your comprehension and grammar.

So why does it take me 3-6 months and $500 just to get a revolver permit in NYC?

Rights can't be taken away? LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[miketx]

Another cut/pasted regressive parasite thread pissing and moaning because normal people don't give a shit about warped sexual deviants and perverts not being accepted as normal...

Because they're not.

Change the fucking record parasite.



.

Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

List those hundreds of government benefits you are claiming. We'll wait....

Keep waiting. Google it.

You made the claim. Unless you were lying show it.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Another cut/pasted regressive parasite thread pissing and moaning because normal people don't give a shit about warped sexual deviants and perverts not being accepted as normal...

Because they're not.

Change the fucking record parasite.



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Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

Funny how the definition of marriage had to be changed though

It was expanded to include same sex couples. Besides, it wasn't the first time it was changed. It was changed in 1967 to include interracial marriages.

Ergo changed….no spin ...just the facts

Eh, no spin needed. The definition of marriage has changed several times in history. It still has no effect on anyone but the couple who marries.

All spin. Vast difference in what was done and any honest person knows it. Look what happens when we start changing definitions for political gain, now what is a male what is female what is a citizen what is a country and more are up for redefining sowing chaos in their wake.

 

[anynameyouwish]

There is no "gay marriage right." You're confusing "rights" with "privileges".

You also have no "right" to an abortion, a free education, free internet, free housing, free food, or a free telephone. Go back and re-read the Constitution and get back to me when you're done.

so

you are actually saying......

we really don't have many RIGHTS at all?

guns.....
free speech......
and religion....

and that's it.....?

everything else is a PRIVILEGE?

 

[anynameyouwish]

There is no "gay marriage right." You're confusing "rights" with "privileges".

You also have no "right" to an abortion, a free education, free internet, free housing, free food, or a free telephone. Go back and re-read the Constitution and get back to me when you're done.

You have no right to marry, either.

it is merely a privilege.

 

[anynameyouwish]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

i always like to insert the GREED/conservative socialism aspect of these situations;

gays can't marry or adopt means they don't get those tax breaks while heteros DO get those tax breaks.

so gays pay MORE in taxes (to support a hetero culture) while heteros pay less.......is that technically "socialism"?

 

[rightwinger]

The amount of time, energy, and state money these state legislators spend on this stupidity is astonishing. Don't they have any real responsibilities?

The 14th Amendment exists, Obergefell is precedential, and it would do a great deal of damage to our country and legal system to allow the passing of legislation that is totally ideological in origin and has nothing to do with any legitimate government interest.

Are the people who try to pass these laws "normal"?

They are using the legislative process to voice their views, as is proper.

Obergfell overstepped the bounds of constitutionality, plain and simple. At best what they should have done is force all States to recognize valid Marriage licenses from other States as they always have under full faith and credit, regardless of if the license met the in-state requirements.

The court was slow in enforcing the fourth amendment

 

[miketx]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

i always like to insert the GREED/conservative socialism aspect of these situations;

gays can't marry or adopt means they don't get those tax breaks while heteros DO get those tax breaks.

so gays pay MORE in taxes (to support a hetero culture) while heteros pay less.......is that technically "socialism"?

Why are you so obsessed with gay?

 

[rightwinger]

There is no "gay marriage right." You're confusing "rights" with "privileges".

You also have no "right" to an abortion, a free education, free internet, free housing, free food, or a free telephone. Go back and re-read the Constitution and get back to me when you're done.

You have no right to marry, either.

it is merely a privilege.

Courts ruled otherwise

 

[martybegan]

The amount of time, energy, and state money these state legislators spend on this stupidity is astonishing. Don't they have any real responsibilities?

The 14th Amendment exists, Obergefell is precedential, and it would do a great deal of damage to our country and legal system to allow the passing of legislation that is totally ideological in origin and has nothing to do with any legitimate government interest.

Are the people who try to pass these laws "normal"?

They are using the legislative process to voice their views, as is proper.

Obergfell overstepped the bounds of constitutionality, plain and simple. At best what they should have done is force all States to recognize valid Marriage licenses from other States as they always have under full faith and credit, regardless of if the license met the in-state requirements.

The court was slow in enforcing the fourth amendment

The Court wrongly extended equal protection to something that up until a few decades ago wasn't even considered.

Inter-racial/tribal marriage has been with us for millenia, same sex marriage as a legal or even moral concept is only a few decades old.

With no precedent comes no reason for equality under the 14th.

 

[Pete7469]

Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

That's true, and to be honest I don't give a half a shit. I am really just tired of hearing about it. If Tennessee or Texas want to outlaw it, I don't care, if most of the people in those states don't want queers running around and prefer to make life less than hospitable by outlawing their silly twisted "families", then so what? IF NY and Commiefornia want to compel people to try perverse lifestyles, I don't care.

The thing is, the queer mafia has mad life harder for people who don't want to participate at all in gay celebrations and parties by forcing them to provide services for them against their will. So as long as they're doing that, I'll support a hard line against them every chance I get. Shutting down bakeries and demonizing Pizza shops who prefer not to cater to them is where I drew the line. Now they have freaks going into schools to indoctrinate small children about how freaks are normal, and people who like to be normal are bigots.

We've become extremely tolerant of gays in the US, possibly more so than anywhere else I've been. That wasn't good enough though. They weren't after tolerance or equality though, they were after special treatment.


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[anynameyouwish]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

i always like to insert the GREED/conservative socialism aspect of these situations;

gays can't marry or adopt means they don't get those tax breaks while heteros DO get those tax breaks.

so gays pay MORE in taxes (to support a hetero culture) while heteros pay less.......is that technically "socialism"?

Why are you so obsessed with gay?

I am trying to protect and defend your privileges.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

That's true, and to be honest I don't give a half a shit. I am really just tired of hearing about it. If Tennessee or Texas want to outlaw it, I don't care, if most of the people in those states don't want queers running around and prefer to make life less than hospitable by outlawing their silly twisted "families", then so what? IF NY and Commiefornia want to compel people to try perverse lifestyles, I don't care.

The thing is, the queer mafia has mad life harder for people who don't want to participate at all in gay celebrations and parties by forcing them to provide services for them against their will. So as long as they're doing that, I'll support a hard line against them every chance I get. Shutting down bakeries and demonizing Pizza shops who prefer not to cater to them is where I drew the line. Now they have freaks going into schools to indoctrinate small children about how freaks are normal, and people who like to be normal are bigots.

We've become extremely tolerant of gays in the US, possibly more so than anywhere else I've been. That wasn't good enough though. They weren't after tolerance or equality though, they were after special treatment.


.

So....
what you are actually saying is.....

if any state wants to kill gays.....or any other desirable.....you have NO PROBLEM with it......

 

[WinterBorn]

Another cut/pasted regressive parasite thread pissing and moaning because normal people don't give a shit about warped sexual deviants and perverts not being accepted as normal...

Because they're not.

Change the fucking record parasite.



.

Ok, don't accept them as normal. That does not change the SCOTUS ruling.

And whether you accept them as normal is irrelevant. I am straight, and I don't know many people who consider me "normal". Someone else getting married and enjoying the hundreds of gov't benefits bestowed on married couples has nothing to do with being normal.

Same sex couples getting married does not effect you at all.

List those hundreds of government benefits you are claiming. We'll wait....

Keep waiting. Google it.

You made the claim. Unless you were lying show it.

When I’m not on here via my phone I will find a link.

 

[Lysistrata]

The amount of time, energy, and state money these state legislators spend on this stupidity is astonishing. Don't they have any real responsibilities?

The 14th Amendment exists, Obergefell is precedential, and it would do a great deal of damage to our country and legal system to allow the passing of legislation that is totally ideological in origin and has nothing to do with any legitimate government interest.

Are the people who try to pass these laws "normal"?

They are using the legislative process to voice their views, as is proper.

Obergfell overstepped the bounds of constitutionality, plain and simple. At best what they should have done is force all States to recognize valid Marriage licenses from other States as they always have under full faith and credit, regardless of if the license met the in-state requirements.

Obergefell did not overstep any bounds of constitutionality. Please review the 14th Amendment.
Outside of any constitutional argument, just what is your beef? The question of legal marriage is a CIVIL matter. Now, LGBTs can get married under CIVIL law and enjoy the LEGAL benefits of doing so.
Please recognize the difference between CIVIL LAW and the rules of whatever religion you have freely chosen to follow. Being legally married is under our U.S. civil law.
What being married means to you, under your chosen religion or ideology is up to you.
One of my uncles married a woman and had one child with her, my cousin. They divorced, and he married another, and had three children with her. They were never married in the Catholic Churrch with full ceremony, but they were married under civil law.
Marriage under civil U.S. law is so different than the concept of marriage that exists in the religious law that you choose to follow.

 

[bodecea]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Looks like TN is working hard to be classified as third world.