temple mount

[Sixties Fan]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

 

[peach174]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

It isn't only about DNA. Israel has been the religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews for the last four thousand years.

Exactly but many Arabs say they don't belong there because they are European Jews.
It's a ridiculous argument.

 

[Eloy]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

All Israelis are home. It is the Ancient Jewish Homeland, where Judaism was born, where neighboring Nations acknowledged their existence for the past 3800 years, from ancient Egypt to the modern
British Empire.

It is where David and Solomon's Kingdoms were, as well as the other Jewish Kings.

When you do find some evidence of Arab Palestinian presence on the land at any time between the Philistines conquering the land, and the British and the allies defeating the invading, conquering Ottoman Empire in WWII, let me know.

I would like to see any book, document, escavation, etc which points to Arab "Palestinians" being called such, and not just Arabs, or after the 7th century, Muslims.

Prove to me that the Arab Palestinians really existed from time immemorial, as Abbas and other Arabs say, on ancient Canaan. Canaanites they are not, at all. And they know it.

So, where have the Arab Palestinians come from and what is their history on the land, as proven by the various invaders, conquerors, of that land for the past 4000 years?

The existence of the Hebrews, later known as Israelites and then Judeans, and later Jews, is well documented.

The fact that Jews never left their ancient homeland, that there was always a Jewish presence on the land, is well documented, especially by the Quran and other Muslim writings which tell how the Arabs met the indigenous Jewish People of the land and one Sheik even reopened Jerusalem to them in the 7th Century.
Something Christians did not allow, a continuation of what the Romans had done after the 70 CE revolt.


Too much information?

Or do you simply do not care?

Will never look any of this up?

Who stole what from whom, Elroy?
Who invaded who's land?

Let's see:

The Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, Muslims, Crusaders, Ottomans and the British who conquered the land at one point or another have acknowledged that the land belongs to the Jewish People.

Tell me Elroy, where did the Arab Palestinians come from?

Christians in the 12th century and later thought as you do; that simply because their religion began in Jerusalem they owned it and went to take it back from the Muslims during the Crusades. Such stuff and nonsense that brought only bloodshed.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinian Authority and its fiendish intra-Palestinian Islamic rivals seem hell-bent on brinkmanship, on being belligerent adversaries with escalating, maximalist demands of Israel.

They really think they can roll Israel back by recourse to street brawls and international courts; by brow-beating Israel through aggression, isolation and criminalization; by demonizing Israel with outrageous lies such as “al-Aksa is in danger.” They think they can conduct guerrilla and diplomatic warfare against Israel with impunity.


It’s time to disabuse Mahmoud Abbas and these gangs of such delusion, through resolute Israeli action.

The holy war over the Temple Mount that Abbas is promoting tells Israelis that Palestinian society has gone crazy-radical-rogue Islamist – just as much of the Arab Middle East.

(full article online)

Israel must disabuse Abbas of the delusion he can bully Israel

 

[peach174]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinian Authority and its fiendish intra-Palestinian Islamic rivals seem hell-bent on brinkmanship, on being belligerent adversaries with escalating, maximalist demands of Israel.

They really think they can roll Israel back by recourse to street brawls and international courts; by brow-beating Israel through aggression, isolation and criminalization; by demonizing Israel with outrageous lies such as “al-Aksa is in danger.” They think they can conduct guerrilla and diplomatic warfare against Israel with impunity.


It’s time to disabuse Mahmoud Abbas and these gangs of such delusion, through resolute Israeli action.

The holy war over the Temple Mount that Abbas is promoting tells Israelis that Palestinian society has gone crazy-radical-rogue Islamist – just as much of the Arab Middle East.

(full article online)

Israel must disabuse Abbas of the delusion he can bully Israel

 

[Sixties Fan]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

Exactly what you wrote, that DNA proves that all Jews and Arabs
come from the Middle East. It did not specify where in the Middle East each came from, which does make a difference.
Mainly because some anti Israel posters tend to post that Palestinians and Israelis have the same DNA, which they do not.

 

[Eloy]

The Palestinian Authority and its fiendish intra-Palestinian Islamic rivals seem hell-bent on brinkmanship, on being belligerent adversaries with escalating, maximalist demands of Israel.

They really think they can roll Israel back by recourse to street brawls and international courts; by brow-beating Israel through aggression, isolation and criminalization; by demonizing Israel with outrageous lies such as “al-Aksa is in danger.” They think they can conduct guerrilla and diplomatic warfare against Israel with impunity.


It’s time to disabuse Mahmoud Abbas and these gangs of such delusion, through resolute Israeli action.

The holy war over the Temple Mount that Abbas is promoting tells Israelis that Palestinian society has gone crazy-radical-rogue Islamist – just as much of the Arab Middle East.

(full article online)

Israel must disabuse Abbas of the delusion he can bully Israel

Your haranguing posts are persuading no-one that you have anything to offer except anti-Palestinian hate.

 

[montelatici]

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

Exactly what you wrote, that DNA proves that all Jews and Arabs
come from the Middle East. It did not specify where in the Middle East each came from, which does make a difference.
Mainly because some anti Israel posters tend to post that Palestinians and Israelis have the same DNA, which they do not.

The DNA of Palestinian Christians and Muslims is indistinguishable from the DNA of Arab Jews and Samaritans. In fact, Palestinians surnamed Buwarda, Kasem, Muslimani, Shakshir and Yaish are known to be Samaritan families that converted to Islam.

It is obviously different from Ashkenazi Jew DNA . Ashkenazi Jew DNA is European DNA.

 

[Coyote]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

 

[peach174]

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

Exactly what you wrote, that DNA proves that all Jews and Arabs
come from the Middle East. It did not specify where in the Middle East each came from, which does make a difference.
Mainly because some anti Israel posters tend to post that Palestinians and Israelis have the same DNA, which they do not.

The DNA of Palestinian Christians and Muslims is indistinguishable from the DNA of Arab Jews and Samaritans. In fact, Palestinians surnamed Buwarda, Kasem, Muslimani, Shakshir and Yaish are known to be Samaritan families that converted to Islam.

It is obviously different from Ashkenazi Jew DNA . Ashkenazi Jew DNA is European DNA.

With middle eastern, your dropping that little added fact there.

 

[peach174]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

 

[Coyote]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

 

[peach174]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

 

[Coyote]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

 

[peach174]

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

 

[Coyote]

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

Coyote,

Could you give concrete examples of Israel engaging in provocative actions?
When? For what purpose?
None of it had to do with protecting all citizens and residents of Israel, Jews, Muslims and others?

Please, be specific.

 

[peach174]

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

 

[fanger]

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war