temple mount

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

It's Israel that has been trying for peace with them since 1948.
They have never wanted any of the peace treaties.
How much more can Israel take.

Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.
Coyote,

Could you give concrete examples of Israel engaging in provocative actions?
When? For what purpose?
None of it had to do with protecting all citizens and residents of Israel, Jews, Muslims and others?

Please, be specific.
See my above post
 
Israel has also engaged in it's own provocative actions. There are no angels in this.


They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.


Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".

If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?
 
"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion (Bachi 1974)................... This was followed by a slow process of Islamization of the local population, both of Christians and Jews (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981)."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf
They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

Exactly what you wrote, that DNA proves that all Jews and Arabs
come from the Middle East. It did not specify where in the Middle East each came from, which does make a difference.
Mainly because some anti Israel posters tend to post that Palestinians and Israelis have the same DNA, which they do not.


The DNA of Palestinian Christians and Muslims is indistinguishable from the DNA of Arab Jews and Samaritans. In fact, Palestinians surnamed Buwarda, Kasem, Muslimani, Shakshir and Yaish are known to be Samaritan families that converted to Islam.

It is obviously different from Ashkenazi Jew DNA . Ashkenazi Jew DNA is European DNA.

With middle eastern, your dropping that little added fact there.

Actually, the DNA analysis are of the non-Jews are of the people from Palestine, Samaritans, Christians and Muslims.
 
Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Netenyahu's policies and rhetoric have been as bad as Abbas' in terms of trying to achieve a negotiated peace.

Netanyahu has been calling for "Days of Rage" and violent riots in the streets? Do you have a link for that?
Netanyahu called up thousands of extra troops to Jerusalem, they wont be leaving without some Arab blood on their jackboots
 
They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.


Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".

If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

Why should the native people have accepted the partition of their land to give more than 50% of it to European colonists? I don't get your logic. No people would have accepted such a thing without violently resisting the theft.

The native Arab Jews of Palestine were not a problem for their fellow Muslims and Christians. They spoke Arabic and they had the same customs as the Muslim and Christian Arabs. It's the European colonizer that was and is the problem. Palestine filmed before the arrival of the bulk of the colonizers (in 1896) is depicted in this documentary.



 
Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war

And?
You think there is no good reason ?
Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years.

Gaza has never signed a Peace treaty, under Arafat or Hamas.
They never will, and they will never take out the chapter in their
Charter which says that one day they will destroy Israel.

Arafat signed the Oslo Accords. Never meant to follow them.
Never stopped teaching in schools, media, etc ....hatred for Jews and Israel and the destruction of both.

Abbas keeps the same game. The Fatah Charter also demands the destruction of Israel, never mind the Oslo Accords and what the point of signing them was.

Again, pro Palestinian, pro Israel, pro both:

What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

And this includes the Muslim Turks, and the Muslim Iranians who have been creating a lot of chaos against Israel.
 
Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war

And?
You think there is no good reason ?
Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years.

Gaza has never signed a Peace treaty, under Arafat or Hamas.
They never will, and they will never take out the chapter in their
Charter which says that one day they will destroy Israel.

Arafat signed the Oslo Accords. Never meant to follow them.
Never stopped teaching in schools, media, etc ....hatred for Jews and Israel and the destruction of both.

Abbas keeps the same game. The Fatah Charter also demands the destruction of Israel, never mind the Oslo Accords and what the point of signing them was.

Again, pro Palestinian, pro Israel, pro both:

What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

And this includes the Muslim Turks, and the Muslim Iranians who have been creating a lot of chaos against Israel.
"Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years." says peach

As for the illegal immigrant jews who took over a host nation against the desires of the inhabitants, a sign of madness is to keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result
 
Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war

And?
You think there is no good reason ?
Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years.

Gaza has never signed a Peace treaty, under Arafat or Hamas.
They never will, and they will never take out the chapter in their
Charter which says that one day they will destroy Israel.

Arafat signed the Oslo Accords. Never meant to follow them.
Never stopped teaching in schools, media, etc ....hatred for Jews and Israel and the destruction of both.

Abbas keeps the same game. The Fatah Charter also demands the destruction of Israel, never mind the Oslo Accords and what the point of signing them was.

Again, pro Palestinian, pro Israel, pro both:

What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

And this includes the Muslim Turks, and the Muslim Iranians who have been creating a lot of chaos against Israel.

It has nothing to do with hatred of Jews. It has to do with hatred of an oppressive occupation force and colonists. It's natural for the native people being oppressed to hate the occupier. The Algerians versus the French, The non-whites versus the South African whites, the non-white Rhodesians versus the white Rhodesians, the Irish versus the English in Ireland, etc.
 
Netanyahu called up thousands of extra troops to Jerusalem, they wont be leaving without some Arab blood on their jackboots

You understand this is a RESPONSE to Arab Muslim rioting, yes?
 
No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.


Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".


If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

Why should the native people have accepted the partition of their land to give more than 50% of it to European colonists? I don't get your logic. No people would have accepted such a thing without violently resisting the theft.

The native Arab Jews of Palestine were not a problem for their fellow Muslims and Christians. They spoke Arabic and they had the same customs as the Muslim and Christian Arabs. It's the European colonizer that was and is the problem. Palestine filmed before the arrival of the bulk of the colonizers (in 1896) is depicted in this documentary.






"Native Arab Jews" ROTFLOL

That is such a good one. LOL Jews are Arabs.
No....wait....Arabs are Jews.....
No .....wait......wait.....wait.....

The Jews in Arab conquered lands had it good, hey? They were not mistreated at all, did not have to pay a special tax or else?
How long had the Jews been in Mesopotamia before the Arab conquest?

No, Monti, neither Jews nor Arabs are indigenous of Mesopotamia.
Nor Egypt. Nor Syria. Nor Phoenicia (Lebanon).

They had exactly the SAME CUSTOMS as the Muslim and Christian Arabs.

Yes, sure.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are exactly one and the same, and interchangeble, are they not Monti.?

No wonder you are so confused :)

Keep telling your tall stories about ALL Jews had become Christian and Muslims by this or that century.
Except, you cannot show any writing, book, nothing for evidence to this more than extraterrestrial theory.

The endless molehills you build out of clay.
 
Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war

And?
You think there is no good reason ?
Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years.

Gaza has never signed a Peace treaty, under Arafat or Hamas.
They never will, and they will never take out the chapter in their
Charter which says that one day they will destroy Israel.

Arafat signed the Oslo Accords. Never meant to follow them.
Never stopped teaching in schools, media, etc ....hatred for Jews and Israel and the destruction of both.

Abbas keeps the same game. The Fatah Charter also demands the destruction of Israel, never mind the Oslo Accords and what the point of signing them was.

Again, pro Palestinian, pro Israel, pro both:

What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

And this includes the Muslim Turks, and the Muslim Iranians who have been creating a lot of chaos against Israel.
"The Fatah Charter also demands the destruction of Israel"
False


These commitments were kept, leading President Clinton to declare to the assembled Palestinian officials on 14 December 1998 at Gaza:

I thank you for your rejection—fully, finally and forever—of the passages in the Palestinian Charter calling for the destruction of Israel. For they were the ideological underpinnings of a struggle renounced at Oslo. By revoking them once and for all, you have sent, I say again, a powerful message not to the government, but to the people of Israel. You will touch people on the street there. You will reach their hearts there.
Like President Clinton, Israel and the Likud party now formally agreed that the objectionable clauses of the charter had been abrogated, in official statements and statements by Prime Minister Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Sharon, Defense Minister Mordechai and Trade and Industry Minister Sharansky.[13][14][15][16] With official Israeli objections to the Charter disappearing henceforward from lists of Palestinian violations of agreements,[17] the international legal controversy ended. Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia
 
What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

More and more I think there is no solution to that problem, at least not one that can be solved by Israel or the Jewish people.. Unfortunately, "Palestine" has become one of the places of Muslim extremism. There is going to be a war against that extremism. One hopes that enough Muslim nations fall in to the side against it.

Meantime, I think the Gaza solution may be the only choice Israel will have with the West Bank.
 
Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".


If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

Why should the native people have accepted the partition of their land to give more than 50% of it to European colonists? I don't get your logic. No people would have accepted such a thing without violently resisting the theft.

The native Arab Jews of Palestine were not a problem for their fellow Muslims and Christians. They spoke Arabic and they had the same customs as the Muslim and Christian Arabs. It's the European colonizer that was and is the problem. Palestine filmed before the arrival of the bulk of the colonizers (in 1896) is depicted in this documentary.






"Native Arab Jews" ROTFLOL

That is such a good one. LOL Jews are Arabs.
No....wait....Arabs are Jews.....
No .....wait......wait.....wait.....

The Jews in Arab conquered lands had it good, hey? They were not mistreated at all, did not have to pay a special tax or else?
How long had the Jews been in Mesopotamia before the Arab conquest?

No, Monti, neither Jews nor Arabs are indigenous of Mesopotamia.
Nor Egypt. Nor Syria. Nor Phoenicia (Lebanon).

They had exactly the SAME CUSTOMS as the Muslim and Christian Arabs.

Yes, sure.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are exactly one and the same, and interchangeble, are they not Monti.?

No wonder you are so confused :)

Keep telling your tall stories about ALL Jews had become Christian and Muslims by this or that century.
Except, you cannot show any writing, book, nothing for evidence to this more than extraterrestrial theory.

The endless molehills you build out of clay.


I see you are confused and have never met an Arab Jew. I have met many. Tunisia was full of Arab Jews when I lived there as kid.

I have provided evidence of the conversion of the native people to Christianity 100s of times. Here is a Penn State University genetic study that says the same thing.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion (Bachi 1974)."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

It is you that present mythology and only mythology. All of your sources are Hasbara sources. What neutral observer can possibly take you seriously when you never, absolutely never, provide anything but propaganda as sources.

Here learn a little instead of constantly posting lies and bullshit.

" I am an Arab Jew. Or, more specifically, an Iraqi Israeli woman living, writing and teaching in the U.S. Most members of my family were born and raised in Baghdad, and now live in Iraq, Israel, the U.S., England, and Holland. When my grandmother first encountered Israeli society in the '50s, she was convinced that the people who looked, spoke and ate so differently--the European Jews--were actually European Christians. Jewishness for her generation was inextricably associated with Middle Easterness. My grandmother, who still lives in Israel and still communicates largely in Arabic, had to be taught to speak of "us" as Jews and "them" as Arabs. For Middle Easterners, the operating distinction had always been "Muslim," "Jew," and "Christian," not Arab versus Jew. The assumption was that "Arabness" referred to a common shared culture and language, albeit with religious differences. "

Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat
 
Netanyahu called up thousands of extra troops to Jerusalem, they wont be leaving without some Arab blood on their jackboots

You understand this is a RESPONSE to Arab Muslim rioting, yes?
People the world over tend to do that when anti riot police are used against peaceful demonstration

Riots are not peaceful demonstrations. Notice that in all the images from the past two weeks, the police standing there peacefully when Muslim worshipers are peacefully praying. And notice the police dispersing rioters when Arab Muslim rioters are throwing rocks and bottles and molotovs.

Police respond appropriately to the provocation (or lack) of Muslim protesters.
 

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What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

More and more I think there is no solution to that problem, at least not one that can be solved by Israel or the Jewish people.. Unfortunately, "Palestine" has become one of the places of Muslim extremism. There is going to be a war against that extremism. One hopes that enough Muslim nations fall in to the side against it.

Meantime, I think the Gaza solution may be the only choice Israel will have with the West Bank.
Lets hope that war is also against jewish extremism, "the Gaza solution" as you call the brutal blockade of people should include all of Israel, either by land sea and air blockade, but that won't happen by our jewish influenced (bribed) politicians
just yet, but we can all support BDS, legislation currently being proposed (by AIPAC) in the US would make BDS illegal, they need to lose and be exposed
 
What is the solution to the problem, the problem being the inability of some Muslims in power to leave their learned hatred of Jews and the supremacy over them behind?

More and more I think there is no solution to that problem, at least not one that can be solved by Israel or the Jewish people.. Unfortunately, "Palestine" has become one of the places of Muslim extremism. There is going to be a war against that extremism. One hopes that enough Muslim nations fall in to the side against it.

Meantime, I think the Gaza solution may be the only choice Israel will have with the West Bank.

Are you speaking of getting all the Jews out of Judea and Samaria?

Why?

What right do the Muslims have to the place where Judaism was born?

Does anyone who thinks this way believe that it will be the end to the conflict?

What the Muslims have been doing via UNESCO is not a warning sign enough as to what will happen to all the Jewish holy sites and cities and villages and synagogues once that happened?

Was nothing learned from what the Hashemites did in TransJordan, Judea, Samaria, the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem at all?
They destroyed all which was Jewish, and it wasn't all that long ago.


solutions:

Israel defeats the "Palestinians" once and for all.
Israel and the Arab countries make the Palestinians come to the table and negotiate and sign a Peace treaty, including Gaza with Hamas. Just as Egypt and Jordan did.

The teaching of hatred for Jews must end.
Curriculum must be changed to one where co-existance will prevail.


The only one where it will all end, is where Hamas, Fatah, etc are defeated for good and they surrender to a Peace Treaty which will prevail.


Arab, Muslim honor as it is now, will not permit nothing else.

Muslims must lose for good, just as the Germans and Japanese did.
As it is with every war. And no thoughts of a next war as Germany did.
 
Netanyahu called up thousands of extra troops to Jerusalem, they wont be leaving without some Arab blood on their jackboots

You understand this is a RESPONSE to Arab Muslim rioting, yes?
People the world over tend to do that when anti riot police are used against peaceful demonstration

Riots are not peaceful demonstrations. Notice that in all the images from the past two weeks, the police standing there peacefully when Muslim worshipers are peacefully praying. And notice the police dispersing rioters when Arab Muslim rioters are throwing rocks and bottles and molotovs.

Police respond appropriately to the provocation (or lack) of Muslim protesters.
And there we have it,
"Police respond appropriately to the provocation (or lack) of Muslim protesters".

When there is lack of provocation by muslim protesters the jewish police provide the provocation
Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear
 

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