temple mount

Are you speaking of getting all the Jews out of Judea and Samaria?

Sorry. I'm not being clear.

More like getting all the Arab "Palestinians" out of Judea and Samaria. Israel asserts her sovereign authority over all the territory which she can reasonably hold and draws a nice clean "thou shall not pass" line in the sand, just like she did in Gaza. Israel leaves enough territory to Palestine that she can build a nation-state if she can manage it. Any Arab Palestinian left in Israel who won't co-operate is put over the border.

If the response is peaceful, so be it, we can start working on a peace treaty.

If the response is not peaceful (likely), Israel responds appropriately.
 
Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?
 
Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?
Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?
 
Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?
Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

WTF? Are you talking about the metal detectors? Every major holy site in the world uses them. The Muslims accessing the Temple Mount was the exception -- right up until they took advantage of that exception to murder people. Why should Muslims at the Temple Mount (a Jewish holy place) be the exception? Why should they get special privileges?
 
Are you speaking of getting all the Jews out of Judea and Samaria?

Sorry. I'm not being clear.

More like getting all the Arab "Palestinians" out of Judea and Samaria. Israel asserts her sovereign authority over all the territory which she can reasonably hold and draws a nice clean "thou shall not pass" line in the sand, just like she did in Gaza. Israel leaves enough territory to Palestine that she can build a nation-state if she can manage it. Any Arab Palestinian left in Israel who won't co-operate is put over the border.

If the response is peaceful, so be it, we can start working on a peace treaty.

If the response is not peaceful (likely), Israel responds appropriately.

That is something which would be fair considering all the expulsions the Arabs forced on the Jews from 1920 on, from Gaza, to Judea and Samaria.

But it will not work towards the Arabs. They are too many.
They have the support of every one and every government which is anti Jews.

It is an Anti Jews world in Christianity and Islam.

Jews always very easily lived with their co-hosts. Arabs are doing well in Israel. Those who want to.
But there are those who will always follow the Muslim or Christian doctrine.

The Jews must never, ever be sovereign of any land, much less over any Muslims or Christians.

It is a tall hurdle. Therefore a Peace treaty with defined borders and security for Israel is the only solution. And it may never happen.
As long as the Muslims continue to want to conquer the world, the West continues to give in.

If the tide changes, we shall see what then can be done.
 
Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

See, this is evidence that you, and most of the Muslim world, are unable to view the events in any sort of objective light and have to put a "Jews are evil" spin on it. THAT is why there is no peace. And THAT is why there can't be peace until that ideology changes.
 
Here's what I learned today:

Jerusalem among the Jews is the capital of the Messiah of salvation coming from the descendants of David. In the Talmudic textbook, "The Jews will come to Jerusalem and take it, and its borders will be filled with wealth." In the interpretation of the Kabbalah, it was portrayed as a place that would flow from the sky and spread to the rest of the world.

The demolition of Al-Aqsa Mosque is an integral part of Zionist ideology. Christ will not return to battle (Armageddon) at the end of time except by the demolition of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the establishment of Solomon's Temple. And of course we know that this doctrine has loyal followers of the United States Christians, fanatical and red-headed Protestants called Jesus Freaks. Let us know from a long history of excavations and tunnels that the land under the mosque became like an ant house.

You learn interesting Jewish history from Arab websites ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
 
The control of the temple mount is under the control of muslims, Israel wanted to take over that control, the people peacefully resisted, israel used the only card they had, violent police action, it didn't work, if you want to you can offer the muslims enhanced security, which they will control, but you can't impose control

by the way, there is still no proof weapons came from inside the mosque
 
But it will not work towards the Arabs. They are too many.
They have the support of every one and every government which is anti Jews. ...As long as the Muslims continue to want to conquer the world, the West continues to give in.

Yes. That is why the metal detectors were taken down -- because Israel fears a war with all the ME Muslim countries. The problem is that war is inevitable, don't you think? Its just a matter of when and who joins which side. What is coming, I believe, is an intra-Muslim war between "moderates" and extremists, in which Israel will certainly play a part. The trick will be getting enough of the moderates to BE moderate and see Israel as an ally against the extremists.

Therefore a Peace treaty with defined borders and security for Israel is the only solution.
I agree. But I also think that is unlikely to happen unless Israel forces the issue. The ideology isn't going to change in the short or medium terms, but it needs to be managed.

If the tide changes, we shall see what then can be done.
Are you suggesting a holding to the status quo as the best course of action?
 
Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

See, this is evidence that you, and most of the Muslim world, are unable to view the events in any sort of objective light and have to put a "Jews are evil" spin on it. THAT is why there is no peace. And THAT is why there can't be peace until that ideology changes.
there may well be no peace until your ideology that jews may control others, but not others may control themselves free from jewish control, changes
 
But it will not work towards the Arabs. They are too many.
They have the support of every one and every government which is anti Jews. ...As long as the Muslims continue to want to conquer the world, the West continues to give in.

Yes. That is why the metal detectors were taken down -- because Israel fears a war with all the ME Muslim countries. The problem is that war is inevitable, don't you think? Its just a matter of when and who joins which side. What is coming, I believe, is an intra-Muslim war between "moderates" and extremists, in which Israel will certainly play a part. The trick will be getting enough of the moderates to BE moderate and see Israel as an ally against the extremists.

Therefore a Peace treaty with defined borders and security for Israel is the only solution.
I agree. But I also think that is unlikely to happen unless Israel forces the issue. The ideology isn't going to change in the short or medium terms, but it needs to be managed.

If the tide changes, we shall see what then can be done.
Are you suggesting a holding to the status quo as the best course of action?

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Israel can only ask for negotiations with Abbas as President for so long. It does not want it. All of those he incites, and are incited by Hamas and all other extremists will not allow a Peace Treaty, much less a negotiation towards it.
Arafat learned from Nasser being killed. And so have the other leaders.

They must make it look as if they want peace with Israel, when they really do not. It is the lesson from Mohammad against the Jewish tribe. He lied, they believed them, and eventually defeated them.

Israel is not as easy as that because she has learned from history.

If things change and Israel sees no other way, it will put an end to Hamas and others.

It has been allowed to become a global thing, when it is truly local, and it should remain that way.
 
The control of the temple mount is under the control of muslims, Israel wanted to take over that control, the people peacefully resisted, israel used the only card they had, violent police action, it didn't work, if you want to you can offer the muslims enhanced security, which they will control, but you can't impose control

by the way, there is still no proof weapons came from inside the mosque

Israel has had security control and sovereignty since 1967. The Waqf HAD control of the Muslims on the Temple Mount. They lost control when they failed to prevent people from bringing weapons into the compound, which resulted in the murder of two police officers due to Arab Muslim violence!

The people did NOT peacefully resist. They held numerous, consecutive "Days of Rage", incited by Palestinian leaders who SHOULD be calling for restraint and peace.

And the video of the events of two weeks ago show three Arab Muslims in the compound, with weapons, exiting the compound through one of the gates while shooting the two police officers in the back. This continuing asking for proof is ridiculous.
 
Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.
 
The control of the temple mount is under the control of muslims, Israel wanted to take over that control, the people peacefully resisted, israel used the only card they had, violent police action, it didn't work, if you want to you can offer the muslims enhanced security, which they will control, but you can't impose control

by the way, there is still no proof weapons came from inside the mosque

Israel has had security control and sovereignty since 1967. The Waqf HAD control of the Muslims on the Temple Mount. They lost control when they failed to prevent people from bringing weapons into the compound, which resulted in the murder of two police officers due to Arab Muslim violence!

The people did NOT peacefully resist. They held numerous, consecutive "Days of Rage", incited by Palestinian leaders who SHOULD be calling for restraint and peace.

And the video of the events of two weeks ago show three Arab Muslims in the compound, with weapons, exiting the compound through one of the gates while shooting the two police officers in the back. This continuing asking for proof is ridiculous.
er "The Waqf HAD control of the Muslims on the Temple Mount. They lost control" no they didn't they still have control and it will take a lot of jewish blood to dispute that control, are they up for it?
 
er "The Waqf HAD control of the Muslims on the Temple Mount. They lost control" no they didn't they still have control and it will take a lot of jewish blood to dispute that control, are they up for it?

Bring it.
 
Hey shusha, I am posting in my free time, are you posting on your employers time?

Isn't it against the rules to fish for personal information?

When people start making personal attacks, I always assume an inability to reason and discuss the actual arguments.
 
Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.
 
Hey shusha, I am posting in my free time, are you posting on your employers time?

Isn't it against the rules to fish for personal information?

When people start making personal attacks, I always assume an inability to reason and discuss the actual arguments.

It is pointless responding to him.

The facts are that Israel agreed that Jordan would manage the Temple Mount and Israel would keep it secure.
All should be allowed to go there, but Jews are not allowed to pray.

Until things change with Jordan, a war, or anything else, it is going to remain that way.

Israel has sovereignty over Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, they like it or not.
Not :)
 

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