Taking Another Look at Trump's Supreme Court Justices

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They are not necessarily in the same mold as Alito and Thomas, who will always vote for a conservative (Republican) position, irregardless of the actual legal precedent or current interpretation. It's good to know your justices. It's also nice that they are not identical to Thomas and Alito.




“Nobody has ever done more for right to life than Donald Trump,” the former president told the conservative commentator David Brody last month. “I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, or many, many years.”

Mr. Trump sought three things in his judicial appointees, or as he sometimes called them, “my judges.” First, he wanted justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Second, he wanted “jurists in the mold of Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.” Third, he wanted judges who would be loyal to him.

Opponents of abortion got what they wanted when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and the ramifications of that decision can’t be overstated. But did Mr. Trump get the rest of what he wanted from the justices he appointed?

Almost six years after the first appointment, we can begin to form an answer: not entirely. While conservative, none of his three appointments are nearly as conservative — nor as consistently conservative — as Justices Thomas and Alito. The Trump appointees are also not as unified as they might initially appear. Given that they could serve for decades and hold the balance of power on the current court, understanding the distinctions and differences among them is crucial, both for policymakers looking to draft laws and regulations that will be upheld and for lawyers deciding which cases to bring and how to litigate them before a reshaped Supreme Court.

How do the Trump appointees compare with Justices Thomas and Alito? Justice Thomas stands for unfettered originalism — a commitment to interpreting provisions of the Constitution based on their original public meaning at the time of their enactment, with little regard for limiting factors like legal precedent. Justice Alito, less committed to an originalist ideology, consistently votes for the conservative policy outcome in any given case. The Trump appointees, in contrast, cannot be easily characterized as either hard-core originalists or blanket partisans.

Take Mr. Trump’s first Supreme Court pick, Justice Neil Gorsuch. When observers speak of a “3-3-3” court, Justice Gorsuch is the third member of the conservative trio. In this sense, he is an heir of sorts to Justice Scalia, whose seat on the court he occupies; he “shares Justice Scalia’s legal philosophy, talent for vivid writing and love of the outdoors,” as noted by Adam Liptak.

But Justice Gorsuch parts company with the other two members of the trio, Justices Thomas and Alito, in significant ways. First, he has an intense focus on due process and a libertarian skepticism of government, which has led him to rule in favor of criminal defendants — in some cases, as the only conservative to join the liberals.

Second, he is a committed textualist, but his approach is generally more literal — or overly literal, even literalistic, to his critics — than that of other practitioners, and it sometimes leads to liberal outcomes. In Bostock v. Clayton County, Justice Gorsuch surprisedmany observers of the court by writing the majority opinion holding that firing someone simply for being gay or transgender violates Title VII. It is hard to imagine such a decision having come from the pen of Justice Scalia.

Justice Gorsuch also regularly joins with the liberals to rule in favor of Indian tribes. Again reflecting his libertarian streak, he does so essentially on a contract theory, arguing that the United States broke its promises to the tribes.

Some wondered whether Justice Brett Kavanaugh‌’s bitter confirmation fight would radicalize him in a rightward direction, as Justice Thomas’s did. Instead, he is now the court’s median justice, slightly to the right of Chief Justice John Roberts — with whom he voted 98 percent of the time last term — and basically a more conservative version of Justice Anthony Kennedy, whom he replaced. His signature move in hot-button cases is to write a separate concurrence that acknowledges the difficulty of the issues, points out the limits of the conservative majority’s decision and says to the left, in essence, “It’s not so bad.”

Justice Kavanaugh’s critics dismiss his concurrences as, in the words of the legal journalist Vivia Chen, “performative,” “I-feel-your-pain concurrences.” But this isn’t entirely right.

Justice Kavanaugh’s concurrence in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, opining that states can’t bar their residents from traveling to other states to get abortions, effectively telegraphs how he plans to vote on that issue — and, at the very least, provides useful information for lawyers deciding whether and how to litigate cases about abortion and the right to travel. Similarly, in the landmark Second Amendment case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence, joined by only Chief Justice Roberts, emphasizing that states can still impose licensing requirements for firearms and a wide range of gun regulations — leaving open the possibility that the two will uphold gun laws that the other conservatives will not. The Kavanaugh concurrence should be carefully considered both by advocates handling Second Amendment cases before the court and state legislators trying to assess which gun laws might pass muster in the future.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s tenure is the shortest of the three, so it’s harder to draw conclusions about her. When she first joined the court, her detractors predicted she would be a Catholic conservative activist, but she has not (at least yet) assumed that role.

She could have aligned herself with a school of thought called “common-good constitutionalism” — which includes, according to one of its leading proponents, the Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, “a candid willingness to ‘legislate morality.’” Instead she said she is “not a fan of common-good constitutionalism” in an interview last year.

Based on her record so far, Justice Barrett might be compared with Chief Justice William Rehnquist, in terms of her clean, straightforward writing style and her reluctance to opine on issues not presented by the case before her (reflected in her relatively low number of separate concurrences, where such opining most often takes place). And there have been other surprises. In 2020, Democratic politicians opposed to her nomination confidently predicted she would hold the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional if confirmed. She voted to uphold it.

Justice Barrett did not join Justice Thomas’s concurrence, which reiterated his view that the A.C.A. is unconstitutional but rejected this particular challenge on technical grounds, and she did not join the dissent of Justice Alito, who would have declared the law unenforceable. And in Fulton v. City of Philadelphia, she declined to call for overruling Employment Division v. Smith, a precedent that is deeply unpopular among religious conservatives — even writing a concurrence explaining the practical difficulties of overruling it.

Don’t take our word for it: The significant ideological gap between Justices Thomas and Alito, on the one hand, and the Trump nominees, on the other, can be seen in their Martin-Quinn scores, a measure of judicial ideology developed by political scientists. Based on their rulings during the court’s last term, Justices Thomas and Alito earn scores of 2.949 and 2.458, the higher number signifying greater conservatism. Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett earn scores of 1.019, 0.791 and 1.318, respectively — fairly close to one another, but markedly different from the two scores of the staunch conservatives anchoring the right wing of the court.

Nor do the Trump justices march in lockstep with one another. In fact, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh disagreed more with each other in their first term together than any other pairing of justices appointed by the same president since the Kennedy administration, according to Adam Feldman of the blog Empirical SCOTUS. They have found themselves on opposite sides of such issues as the death penalty, defendants’ rights, immigration lawand Indian law. Knowing which of the two is more likely to defect from the conservative bloc on which issue is actionable informationfor Supreme Court advocates. It could help conservative lawyers trying to hold together a winning coalition of justices, or it could help liberal lawyers trying to cobble together a majority for their preferred outcome — or, more realistically, trying to do damage control by limiting the sweep of an adverse ruling.

One area where the Trump appointees have agreed with one another, interestingly enough, is in ruling against Mr. Trump. This was not preordained: Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee in Florida, seemed to bend over backward to rule in his favor in the Mar-a-Lago documents litigation. Instead, much to his chagrin, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted against Mr. Trump in Trump v. Vance and Trump v. Mazars, two cases about access to his tax and other financial records. Justices Thomas and Alito dissented in both cases. Similarly, none of “his” justices voted to hear Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas’ challenge to the 2020 election results that was strongly supported by Mr. Trump. He then lashed out, declaring that the “Supreme Court should be ashamed of itself” — even though he appointed a third of its members.

Please don’t misunderstand us. We don’t deny that the Supreme Court has lurched sharply to the right, that this is the most conservative court in decades and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating.

But at the same time, as noted by the Supreme Court advocate Roman Martinez, “The conservative wing of the court is not a monolith.” While Mr. Trump did secure three votes to overrule Roe with his appointees to the court, he did not get clones of Justices Thomas or Alito, nor did he get justices willing to protect his own hide. There are interesting and important differences of opinion among the conservative justices. And understanding these nuances is critical, especially for lawyers and legal organizations on the left who are “playing defense” before a conservative court that’s far from done with its transformation of American law.
 
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They are not necessarily in the same mold as Alito and Thomas, who will always vote for a conservative (Republican) position, irregardless of the actual legal precedent or current interpretation. It's good to know your justices. It's also nice that they are not identical to Thomas and Alito.




“Nobody has ever done more for right to life than Donald Trump,” the former president told the conservative commentator David Brody last month. “I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, or many, many years.”

Mr. Trump sought three things in his judicial appointees, or as he sometimes called them, “my judges.” First, he wanted justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Second, he wanted “jurists in the mold of Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.” Third, he wanted judges who would be loyal to him.

Opponents of abortion got what they wanted when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and the ramifications of that decision can’t be overstated. But did Mr. Trump get the rest of what he wanted from the justices he appointed?

Almost six years after the first appointment, we can begin to form an answer: not entirely. While conservative, none of his three appointments are nearly as conservative — nor as consistently conservative — as Justices Thomas and Alito. The Trump appointees are also not as unified as they might initially appear. Given that they could serve for decades and hold the balance of power on the current court, understanding the distinctions and differences among them is crucial, both for policymakers looking to draft laws and regulations that will be upheld and for lawyers deciding which cases to bring and how to litigate them before a reshaped Supreme Court.

How do the Trump appointees compare with Justices Thomas and Alito? Justice Thomas stands for unfettered originalism — a commitment to interpreting provisions of the Constitution based on their original public meaning at the time of their enactment, with little regard for limiting factors like legal precedent. Justice Alito, less committed to an originalist ideology, consistently votes for the conservative policy outcome in any given case. The Trump appointees, in contrast, cannot be easily characterized as either hard-core originalists or blanket partisans.

Take Mr. Trump’s first Supreme Court pick, Justice Neil Gorsuch. When observers speak of a “3-3-3” court, Justice Gorsuch is the third member of the conservative trio. In this sense, he is an heir of sorts to Justice Scalia, whose seat on the court he occupies; he “shares Justice Scalia’s legal philosophy, talent for vivid writing and love of the outdoors,” as noted by Adam Liptak.

But Justice Gorsuch parts company with the other two members of the trio, Justices Thomas and Alito, in significant ways. First, he has an intense focus on due process and a libertarian skepticism of government, which has led him to rule in favor of criminal defendants — in some cases, as the only conservative to join the liberals.

Second, he is a committed textualist, but his approach is generally more literal — or overly literal, even literalistic, to his critics — than that of other practitioners, and it sometimes leads to liberal outcomes. In Bostock v. Clayton County, Justice Gorsuch surprisedmany observers of the court by writing the majority opinion holding that firing someone simply for being gay or transgender violates Title VII. It is hard to imagine such a decision having come from the pen of Justice Scalia.

Justice Gorsuch also regularly joins with the liberals to rule in favor of Indian tribes. Again reflecting his libertarian streak, he does so essentially on a contract theory, arguing that the United States broke its promises to the tribes.

Some wondered whether Justice Brett Kavanaugh‌’s bitter confirmation fight would radicalize him in a rightward direction, as Justice Thomas’s did. Instead, he is now the court’s median justice, slightly to the right of Chief Justice John Roberts — with whom he voted 98 percent of the time last term — and basically a more conservative version of Justice Anthony Kennedy, whom he replaced. His signature move in hot-button cases is to write a separate concurrence that acknowledges the difficulty of the issues, points out the limits of the conservative majority’s decision and says to the left, in essence, “It’s not so bad.”

Justice Kavanaugh’s critics dismiss his concurrences as, in the words of the legal journalist Vivia Chen, “performative,” “I-feel-your-pain concurrences.” But this isn’t entirely right.

Justice Kavanaugh’s concurrence in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, opining that states can’t bar their residents from traveling to other states to get abortions, effectively telegraphs how he plans to vote on that issue — and, at the very least, provides useful information for lawyers deciding whether and how to litigate cases about abortion and the right to travel. Similarly, in the landmark Second Amendment case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence, joined by only Chief Justice Roberts, emphasizing that states can still impose licensing requirements for firearms and a wide range of gun regulations — leaving open the possibility that the two will uphold gun laws that the other conservatives will not. The Kavanaugh concurrence should be carefully considered both by advocates handling Second Amendment cases before the court and state legislators trying to assess which gun laws might pass muster in the future.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s tenure is the shortest of the three, so it’s harder to draw conclusions about her. When she first joined the court, her detractors predicted she would be a Catholic conservative activist, but she has not (at least yet) assumed that role.

She could have aligned herself with a school of thought called “common-good constitutionalism” — which includes, according to one of its leading proponents, the Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, “a candid willingness to ‘legislate morality.’” Instead she said she is “not a fan of common-good constitutionalism” in an interview last year.

Based on her record so far, Justice Barrett might be compared with Chief Justice William Rehnquist, in terms of her clean, straightforward writing style and her reluctance to opine on issues not presented by the case before her (reflected in her relatively low number of separate concurrences, where such opining most often takes place). And there have been other surprises. In 2020, Democratic politicians opposed to her nomination confidently predicted she would hold the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional if confirmed. She voted to uphold it.

Justice Barrett did not join Justice Thomas’s concurrence, which reiterated his view that the A.C.A. is unconstitutional but rejected this particular challenge on technical grounds, and she did not join the dissent of Justice Alito, who would have declared the law unenforceable. And in Fulton v. City of Philadelphia, she declined to call for overruling Employment Division v. Smith, a precedent that is deeply unpopular among religious conservatives — even writing a concurrence explaining the practical difficulties of overruling it.

Don’t take our word for it: The significant ideological gap between Justices Thomas and Alito, on the one hand, and the Trump nominees, on the other, can be seen in their Martin-Quinn scores, a measure of judicial ideology developed by political scientists. Based on their rulings during the court’s last term, Justices Thomas and Alito earn scores of 2.949 and 2.458, the higher number signifying greater conservatism. Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett earn scores of 1.019, 0.791 and 1.318, respectively — fairly close to one another, but markedly different from the two scores of the staunch conservatives anchoring the right wing of the court.

Nor do the Trump justices march in lockstep with one another. In fact, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh disagreed more with each other in their first term together than any other pairing of justices appointed by the same president since the Kennedy administration, according to Adam Feldman of the blog Empirical SCOTUS. They have found themselves on opposite sides of such issues as the death penalty, defendants’ rights, immigration lawand Indian law. Knowing which of the two is more likely to defect from the conservative bloc on which issue is actionable informationfor Supreme Court advocates. It could help conservative lawyers trying to hold together a winning coalition of justices, or it could help liberal lawyers trying to cobble together a majority for their preferred outcome — or, more realistically, trying to do damage control by limiting the sweep of an adverse ruling.

One area where the Trump appointees have agreed with one another, interestingly enough, is in ruling against Mr. Trump. This was not preordained: Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee in Florida, seemed to bend over backward to rule in his favor in the Mar-a-Lago documents litigation. Instead, much to his chagrin, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted against Mr. Trump in Trump v. Vance and Trump v. Mazars, two cases about access to his tax and other financial records. Justices Thomas and Alito dissented in both cases. Similarly, none of “his” justices voted to hear Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas’ challenge to the 2020 election results that was strongly supported by Mr. Trump. He then lashed out, declaring that the “Supreme Court should be ashamed of itself” — even though he appointed a third of its members.

Please don’t misunderstand us. We don’t deny that the Supreme Court has lurched sharply to the right, that this is the most conservative court in decades and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating.

But at the same time, as noted by the Supreme Court advocate Roman Martinez, “The conservative wing of the court is not a monolith.” While Mr. Trump did secure three votes to overrule Roe with his appointees to the court, he did not get clones of Justices Thomas or Alito, nor did he get justices willing to protect his own hide. There are interesting and important differences of opinion among the conservative justices. And understanding these nuances is critical, especially for lawyers and legal organizations on the left who are “playing defense” before a conservative court that’s far from done with its transformation of American law.
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They are not necessarily in the same mold as Alito and Thomas, who will always vote for a conservative (Republican) position, irregardless of the actual legal precedent or current interpretation. It's good to know your justices. It's also nice that they are not identical to Thomas and Alito.




“Nobody has ever done more for right to life than Donald Trump,” the former president told the conservative commentator David Brody last month. “I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, or many, many years.”

Mr. Trump sought three things in his judicial appointees, or as he sometimes called them, “my judges.” First, he wanted justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Second, he wanted “jurists in the mold of Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.” Third, he wanted judges who would be loyal to him.

Opponents of abortion got what they wanted when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and the ramifications of that decision can’t be overstated. But did Mr. Trump get the rest of what he wanted from the justices he appointed?

Almost six years after the first appointment, we can begin to form an answer: not entirely. While conservative, none of his three appointments are nearly as conservative — nor as consistently conservative — as Justices Thomas and Alito. The Trump appointees are also not as unified as they might initially appear. Given that they could serve for decades and hold the balance of power on the current court, understanding the distinctions and differences among them is crucial, both for policymakers looking to draft laws and regulations that will be upheld and for lawyers deciding which cases to bring and how to litigate them before a reshaped Supreme Court.

How do the Trump appointees compare with Justices Thomas and Alito? Justice Thomas stands for unfettered originalism — a commitment to interpreting provisions of the Constitution based on their original public meaning at the time of their enactment, with little regard for limiting factors like legal precedent. Justice Alito, less committed to an originalist ideology, consistently votes for the conservative policy outcome in any given case. The Trump appointees, in contrast, cannot be easily characterized as either hard-core originalists or blanket partisans.

Take Mr. Trump’s first Supreme Court pick, Justice Neil Gorsuch. When observers speak of a “3-3-3” court, Justice Gorsuch is the third member of the conservative trio. In this sense, he is an heir of sorts to Justice Scalia, whose seat on the court he occupies; he “shares Justice Scalia’s legal philosophy, talent for vivid writing and love of the outdoors,” as noted by Adam Liptak.

But Justice Gorsuch parts company with the other two members of the trio, Justices Thomas and Alito, in significant ways. First, he has an intense focus on due process and a libertarian skepticism of government, which has led him to rule in favor of criminal defendants — in some cases, as the only conservative to join the liberals.

Second, he is a committed textualist, but his approach is generally more literal — or overly literal, even literalistic, to his critics — than that of other practitioners, and it sometimes leads to liberal outcomes. In Bostock v. Clayton County, Justice Gorsuch surprisedmany observers of the court by writing the majority opinion holding that firing someone simply for being gay or transgender violates Title VII. It is hard to imagine such a decision having come from the pen of Justice Scalia.

Justice Gorsuch also regularly joins with the liberals to rule in favor of Indian tribes. Again reflecting his libertarian streak, he does so essentially on a contract theory, arguing that the United States broke its promises to the tribes.

Some wondered whether Justice Brett Kavanaugh‌’s bitter confirmation fight would radicalize him in a rightward direction, as Justice Thomas’s did. Instead, he is now the court’s median justice, slightly to the right of Chief Justice John Roberts — with whom he voted 98 percent of the time last term — and basically a more conservative version of Justice Anthony Kennedy, whom he replaced. His signature move in hot-button cases is to write a separate concurrence that acknowledges the difficulty of the issues, points out the limits of the conservative majority’s decision and says to the left, in essence, “It’s not so bad.”

Justice Kavanaugh’s critics dismiss his concurrences as, in the words of the legal journalist Vivia Chen, “performative,” “I-feel-your-pain concurrences.” But this isn’t entirely right.

Justice Kavanaugh’s concurrence in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, opining that states can’t bar their residents from traveling to other states to get abortions, effectively telegraphs how he plans to vote on that issue — and, at the very least, provides useful information for lawyers deciding whether and how to litigate cases about abortion and the right to travel. Similarly, in the landmark Second Amendment case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence, joined by only Chief Justice Roberts, emphasizing that states can still impose licensing requirements for firearms and a wide range of gun regulations — leaving open the possibility that the two will uphold gun laws that the other conservatives will not. The Kavanaugh concurrence should be carefully considered both by advocates handling Second Amendment cases before the court and state legislators trying to assess which gun laws might pass muster in the future.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s tenure is the shortest of the three, so it’s harder to draw conclusions about her. When she first joined the court, her detractors predicted she would be a Catholic conservative activist, but she has not (at least yet) assumed that role.

She could have aligned herself with a school of thought called “common-good constitutionalism” — which includes, according to one of its leading proponents, the Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, “a candid willingness to ‘legislate morality.’” Instead she said she is “not a fan of common-good constitutionalism” in an interview last year.

Based on her record so far, Justice Barrett might be compared with Chief Justice William Rehnquist, in terms of her clean, straightforward writing style and her reluctance to opine on issues not presented by the case before her (reflected in her relatively low number of separate concurrences, where such opining most often takes place). And there have been other surprises. In 2020, Democratic politicians opposed to her nomination confidently predicted she would hold the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional if confirmed. She voted to uphold it.

Justice Barrett did not join Justice Thomas’s concurrence, which reiterated his view that the A.C.A. is unconstitutional but rejected this particular challenge on technical grounds, and she did not join the dissent of Justice Alito, who would have declared the law unenforceable. And in Fulton v. City of Philadelphia, she declined to call for overruling Employment Division v. Smith, a precedent that is deeply unpopular among religious conservatives — even writing a concurrence explaining the practical difficulties of overruling it.

Don’t take our word for it: The significant ideological gap between Justices Thomas and Alito, on the one hand, and the Trump nominees, on the other, can be seen in their Martin-Quinn scores, a measure of judicial ideology developed by political scientists. Based on their rulings during the court’s last term, Justices Thomas and Alito earn scores of 2.949 and 2.458, the higher number signifying greater conservatism. Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett earn scores of 1.019, 0.791 and 1.318, respectively — fairly close to one another, but markedly different from the two scores of the staunch conservatives anchoring the right wing of the court.

Nor do the Trump justices march in lockstep with one another. In fact, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh disagreed more with each other in their first term together than any other pairing of justices appointed by the same president since the Kennedy administration, according to Adam Feldman of the blog Empirical SCOTUS. They have found themselves on opposite sides of such issues as the death penalty, defendants’ rights, immigration lawand Indian law. Knowing which of the two is more likely to defect from the conservative bloc on which issue is actionable informationfor Supreme Court advocates. It could help conservative lawyers trying to hold together a winning coalition of justices, or it could help liberal lawyers trying to cobble together a majority for their preferred outcome — or, more realistically, trying to do damage control by limiting the sweep of an adverse ruling.

One area where the Trump appointees have agreed with one another, interestingly enough, is in ruling against Mr. Trump. This was not preordained: Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee in Florida, seemed to bend over backward to rule in his favor in the Mar-a-Lago documents litigation. Instead, much to his chagrin, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted against Mr. Trump in Trump v. Vance and Trump v. Mazars, two cases about access to his tax and other financial records. Justices Thomas and Alito dissented in both cases. Similarly, none of “his” justices voted to hear Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas’ challenge to the 2020 election results that was strongly supported by Mr. Trump. He then lashed out, declaring that the “Supreme Court should be ashamed of itself” — even though he appointed a third of its members.

Please don’t misunderstand us. We don’t deny that the Supreme Court has lurched sharply to the right, that this is the most conservative court in decades and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating.

But at the same time, as noted by the Supreme Court advocate Roman Martinez, “The conservative wing of the court is not a monolith.” While Mr. Trump did secure three votes to overrule Roe with his appointees to the court, he did not get clones of Justices Thomas or Alito, nor did he get justices willing to protect his own hide. There are interesting and important differences of opinion among the conservative justices. And understanding these nuances is critical, especially for lawyers and legal organizations on the left who are “playing defense” before a conservative court that’s far from done with its transformation of American law.
Your entire post is pretty clearly a rational assessment of the current court...UNTIL, that is the penultimate paragraph where you said, "...and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating." Plus, Trump never made these appointments in hopes that they'd "be willing to protect his own hide." Those comments clearly indicate that you apparently misunderstand what the role of the Supreme Court actually IS. It's there to rule on the constitutionality of laws passed by legislatures and to mediate disputes between States according to that same Constitution. In order to do that, one must be a pretty fair constitutional scholar, which you apparently are not, nor apparently are the "progressive" justices currently sitting on the court who almost always rule according to what they believe the Constitution SHOULD say instead of what it ACTUALLY says.
 
They are not necessarily in the same mold as Alito and Thomas, who will always vote for a conservative (Republican) position, irregardless of the actual legal precedent or current interpretation. It's good to know your justices. It's also nice that they are not identical to Thomas and Alito.




“Nobody has ever done more for right to life than Donald Trump,” the former president told the conservative commentator David Brody last month. “I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, or many, many years.”

Mr. Trump sought three things in his judicial appointees, or as he sometimes called them, “my judges.” First, he wanted justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Second, he wanted “jurists in the mold of Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.” Third, he wanted judges who would be loyal to him.

Opponents of abortion got what they wanted when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and the ramifications of that decision can’t be overstated. But did Mr. Trump get the rest of what he wanted from the justices he appointed?

Almost six years after the first appointment, we can begin to form an answer: not entirely. While conservative, none of his three appointments are nearly as conservative — nor as consistently conservative — as Justices Thomas and Alito. The Trump appointees are also not as unified as they might initially appear. Given that they could serve for decades and hold the balance of power on the current court, understanding the distinctions and differences among them is crucial, both for policymakers looking to draft laws and regulations that will be upheld and for lawyers deciding which cases to bring and how to litigate them before a reshaped Supreme Court.

How do the Trump appointees compare with Justices Thomas and Alito? Justice Thomas stands for unfettered originalism — a commitment to interpreting provisions of the Constitution based on their original public meaning at the time of their enactment, with little regard for limiting factors like legal precedent. Justice Alito, less committed to an originalist ideology, consistently votes for the conservative policy outcome in any given case. The Trump appointees, in contrast, cannot be easily characterized as either hard-core originalists or blanket partisans.

Take Mr. Trump’s first Supreme Court pick, Justice Neil Gorsuch. When observers speak of a “3-3-3” court, Justice Gorsuch is the third member of the conservative trio. In this sense, he is an heir of sorts to Justice Scalia, whose seat on the court he occupies; he “shares Justice Scalia’s legal philosophy, talent for vivid writing and love of the outdoors,” as noted by Adam Liptak.

But Justice Gorsuch parts company with the other two members of the trio, Justices Thomas and Alito, in significant ways. First, he has an intense focus on due process and a libertarian skepticism of government, which has led him to rule in favor of criminal defendants — in some cases, as the only conservative to join the liberals.

Second, he is a committed textualist, but his approach is generally more literal — or overly literal, even literalistic, to his critics — than that of other practitioners, and it sometimes leads to liberal outcomes. In Bostock v. Clayton County, Justice Gorsuch surprisedmany observers of the court by writing the majority opinion holding that firing someone simply for being gay or transgender violates Title VII. It is hard to imagine such a decision having come from the pen of Justice Scalia.

Justice Gorsuch also regularly joins with the liberals to rule in favor of Indian tribes. Again reflecting his libertarian streak, he does so essentially on a contract theory, arguing that the United States broke its promises to the tribes.

Some wondered whether Justice Brett Kavanaugh‌’s bitter confirmation fight would radicalize him in a rightward direction, as Justice Thomas’s did. Instead, he is now the court’s median justice, slightly to the right of Chief Justice John Roberts — with whom he voted 98 percent of the time last term — and basically a more conservative version of Justice Anthony Kennedy, whom he replaced. His signature move in hot-button cases is to write a separate concurrence that acknowledges the difficulty of the issues, points out the limits of the conservative majority’s decision and says to the left, in essence, “It’s not so bad.”

Justice Kavanaugh’s critics dismiss his concurrences as, in the words of the legal journalist Vivia Chen, “performative,” “I-feel-your-pain concurrences.” But this isn’t entirely right.

Justice Kavanaugh’s concurrence in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, opining that states can’t bar their residents from traveling to other states to get abortions, effectively telegraphs how he plans to vote on that issue — and, at the very least, provides useful information for lawyers deciding whether and how to litigate cases about abortion and the right to travel. Similarly, in the landmark Second Amendment case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence, joined by only Chief Justice Roberts, emphasizing that states can still impose licensing requirements for firearms and a wide range of gun regulations — leaving open the possibility that the two will uphold gun laws that the other conservatives will not. The Kavanaugh concurrence should be carefully considered both by advocates handling Second Amendment cases before the court and state legislators trying to assess which gun laws might pass muster in the future.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s tenure is the shortest of the three, so it’s harder to draw conclusions about her. When she first joined the court, her detractors predicted she would be a Catholic conservative activist, but she has not (at least yet) assumed that role.

She could have aligned herself with a school of thought called “common-good constitutionalism” — which includes, according to one of its leading proponents, the Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, “a candid willingness to ‘legislate morality.’” Instead she said she is “not a fan of common-good constitutionalism” in an interview last year.

Based on her record so far, Justice Barrett might be compared with Chief Justice William Rehnquist, in terms of her clean, straightforward writing style and her reluctance to opine on issues not presented by the case before her (reflected in her relatively low number of separate concurrences, where such opining most often takes place). And there have been other surprises. In 2020, Democratic politicians opposed to her nomination confidently predicted she would hold the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional if confirmed. She voted to uphold it.

Justice Barrett did not join Justice Thomas’s concurrence, which reiterated his view that the A.C.A. is unconstitutional but rejected this particular challenge on technical grounds, and she did not join the dissent of Justice Alito, who would have declared the law unenforceable. And in Fulton v. City of Philadelphia, she declined to call for overruling Employment Division v. Smith, a precedent that is deeply unpopular among religious conservatives — even writing a concurrence explaining the practical difficulties of overruling it.

Don’t take our word for it: The significant ideological gap between Justices Thomas and Alito, on the one hand, and the Trump nominees, on the other, can be seen in their Martin-Quinn scores, a measure of judicial ideology developed by political scientists. Based on their rulings during the court’s last term, Justices Thomas and Alito earn scores of 2.949 and 2.458, the higher number signifying greater conservatism. Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett earn scores of 1.019, 0.791 and 1.318, respectively — fairly close to one another, but markedly different from the two scores of the staunch conservatives anchoring the right wing of the court.

Nor do the Trump justices march in lockstep with one another. In fact, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh disagreed more with each other in their first term together than any other pairing of justices appointed by the same president since the Kennedy administration, according to Adam Feldman of the blog Empirical SCOTUS. They have found themselves on opposite sides of such issues as the death penalty, defendants’ rights, immigration lawand Indian law. Knowing which of the two is more likely to defect from the conservative bloc on which issue is actionable informationfor Supreme Court advocates. It could help conservative lawyers trying to hold together a winning coalition of justices, or it could help liberal lawyers trying to cobble together a majority for their preferred outcome — or, more realistically, trying to do damage control by limiting the sweep of an adverse ruling.

One area where the Trump appointees have agreed with one another, interestingly enough, is in ruling against Mr. Trump. This was not preordained: Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee in Florida, seemed to bend over backward to rule in his favor in the Mar-a-Lago documents litigation. Instead, much to his chagrin, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh voted against Mr. Trump in Trump v. Vance and Trump v. Mazars, two cases about access to his tax and other financial records. Justices Thomas and Alito dissented in both cases. Similarly, none of “his” justices voted to hear Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas’ challenge to the 2020 election results that was strongly supported by Mr. Trump. He then lashed out, declaring that the “Supreme Court should be ashamed of itself” — even though he appointed a third of its members.

Please don’t misunderstand us. We don’t deny that the Supreme Court has lurched sharply to the right, that this is the most conservative court in decades and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating.

But at the same time, as noted by the Supreme Court advocate Roman Martinez, “The conservative wing of the court is not a monolith.” While Mr. Trump did secure three votes to overrule Roe with his appointees to the court, he did not get clones of Justices Thomas or Alito, nor did he get justices willing to protect his own hide. There are interesting and important differences of opinion among the conservative justices. And understanding these nuances is critical, especially for lawyers and legal organizations on the left who are “playing defense” before a conservative court that’s far from done with its transformation of American law.

Great article.

Thank you for sharing.

I recall all the hysteria around each one of them.

I recall thinking at the time....these are well respected jurists. It seems like they are showing that.
 
Your entire post is pretty clearly a rational assessment of the current court...UNTIL, that is the penultimate paragraph where you said, "...and that these are dark times for supporters of the rights and policies that the court is intent on curbing or even eliminating." Plus, Trump never made these appointments in hopes that they'd "be willing to protect his own hide." Those comments clearly indicate that you apparently misunderstand what the role of the Supreme Court actually IS. It's there to rule on the constitutionality of laws passed by legislatures and to mediate disputes between States according to that same Constitution. In order to do that, one must be a pretty fair constitutional scholar, which you apparently are not, nor apparently are the "progressive" justices currently sitting on the court who almost always rule according to what they believe the Constitution SHOULD say instead of what it ACTUALLY says.

That’s interesting. Considering all the things that Conservatives generally approve of, that are actually expressly prohibited by the Constitution.

The Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits any search or seizure of a person or his papers without a Warrant. Yet the Court decided there were extenuating circumstances that were not covered by this Constitutional Requirement. Searches for weapons, or other contraband during a police interaction as one example. I’ve never heard a Conservative or Originalist argue that this is Unconstitutional. Ever.

Another one is the 14th Amendment. There is an effort now by people like the Heritage Organization who are trying to redefine the 14th to a whole new meaning. One that would prevent babies born to Illegals in the United States from being Citizens. Redefining the phrase Under the Jurisdiction to this new definition.

At the same time, those same people pound the table and scream that the Second Amendment protects weapons in ways the Founders never imagined. The Second says Arms, but the same Conservatives argue that they MEANT Military Arms. The Second doesn’t actually use that phrase, but it’s implied we are told.

Time and again, these “originalists” find things that are not there. And time and time again, demand that any right that the Liberals defend must be spelled out in fifty pages of exact definitions and descriptions before it can be allowed to even be considered.

It is an interesting thing indeed.
 
Trump didn't get jurists who would necessarily agree with HIM, but who would agree with the founders that wrote the Constitution.

I am guessing that Trump left it to others to recommend these people and that they knew what they were looking for.

At the very least you want jurists who will attempt to justify positions from the Constitution. They seem (and I don't claim to have looked recently) to fit the bill or have in the past.
 
That’s interesting. Considering all the things that Conservatives generally approve of, that are actually expressly prohibited by the Constitution.

The Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits any search or seizure of a person or his papers without a Warrant. Yet the Court decided there were extenuating circumstances that were not covered by this Constitutional Requirement. Searches for weapons, or other contraband during a police interaction as one example. I’ve never heard a Conservative or Originalist argue that this is Unconstitutional. Ever.

Another one is the 14th Amendment. There is an effort now by people like the Heritage Organization who are trying to redefine the 14th to a whole new meaning. One that would prevent babies born to Illegals in the United States from being Citizens. Redefining the phrase Under the Jurisdiction to this new definition.

At the same time, those same people pound the table and scream that the Second Amendment protects weapons in ways the Founders never imagined. The Second says Arms, but the same Conservatives argue that they MEANT Military Arms. The Second doesn’t actually use that phrase, but it’s implied we are told.

Time and again, these “originalists” find things that are not there. And time and time again, demand that any right that the Liberals defend must be spelled out in fifty pages of exact definitions and descriptions before it can be allowed to even be considered.

It is an interesting thing indeed.

Feel free to cite the specific cases you are referring to and the writings you are referencing.

ON the surface, I would agree that it seems hypocritical to do things as you've described them. If they actually did them.
 
Feel free to cite the specific cases you are referring to and the writings you are referencing.

ON the surface, I would agree that it seems hypocritical to do things as you've described them. If they actually did them.

Ok. Let’s start easy. The Fourth Amendment.


If you read all the exceptions it becomes apparent that there are more exceptions than times it is upheld.

Birthright Citizenship? Not according to Heritage.


Now what the 14th says is anyone born in the United States and subject to the Jurisdiction is a Citizen. Period.

Subject to the Jurisdiction is defined later to be subject to our laws. It is why Diplomats who have children here, their children are granted Diplomatic Immunity and not subject to our laws. They are not Citizens. They are not subject to the Jurisdiction.

So the Amendment doesn’t mean what it says. But the Second means what isn’t said.


Now here it gets more difficult. Honestly the most powerful weapons of the era when this was written were Cannon. And yes. Private people could buy cannon. However there is more to it than that. First. Cannon were expensive and difficult to transport. Nearly all the private cannon were aboard ships for protection against Pirates. Second. Cannon were unreliable. They were cast iron. And American cannon especially had a bad tendency to shatter when fired. We did not have facilities to cast the cannon in one go, so we cast it in parts and welded it together. Welding iron is difficult and the welds are prone to failure.

Further. Cannon couldn’t be fired like you see on TV. They could be fired once or twice and then had to cool for hours before they could be fired again.

Gunpowder was expensive.

But it is informative to examine the history. The National Rifle Association argued in favor of the National Firearms Act that banned machine guns. They argued in favor of the Sullivan Act that required permits to own a weapon in New York. They argued that permits to carry should be restricted to those with a clear need.

This was a hundred years ago, and the understanding of the Second was very different than today. Which one is right. Truth be told. They both are. The Founders sort of meant Military Arms. But Military Arms of today were very different than at the time. They certainly never imagined that people would demand that they had the right to carry weapons everywhere. Weapons were not carried by a vast majority. They were over the fireplace. Or hung on the wall. Left there until you needed it. You didn’t tote it to town while going to get a drink. The more common weapon was a sword and those were not carried by everyone all the time.
 
Feel free to cite the specific cases you are referring to and the writings you are referencing.

ON the surface, I would agree that it seems hypocritical to do things as you've described them. If they actually did them.
Actually, the court has ALWAYS allowed some warrantless "searches"...with probable cause, and even SOME very limited searches (pat-downs of outer clothing to ascertain the absence of weapons) on the basis of "reasonable suspicion."
 
That’s interesting. Considering all the things that Conservatives generally approve of, that are actually expressly prohibited by the Constitution.

The Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits any search or seizure of a person or his papers without a Warrant. Yet the Court decided there were extenuating circumstances that were not covered by this Constitutional Requirement. Searches for weapons, or other contraband during a police interaction as one example. I’ve never heard a Conservative or Originalist argue that this is Unconstitutional. Ever.

Another one is the 14th Amendment. There is an effort now by people like the Heritage Organization who are trying to redefine the 14th to a whole new meaning. One that would prevent babies born to Illegals in the United States from being Citizens. Redefining the phrase Under the Jurisdiction to this new definition.

At the same time, those same people pound the table and scream that the Second Amendment protects weapons in ways the Founders never imagined. The Second says Arms, but the same Conservatives argue that they MEANT Military Arms. The Second doesn’t actually use that phrase, but it’s implied we are told.

Time and again, these “originalists” find things that are not there. And time and time again, demand that any right that the Liberals defend must be spelled out in fifty pages of exact definitions and descriptions before it can be allowed to even be considered.

It is an interesting thing indeed.
The thing is, the 14th Amendment was NEVER intended to apply to those coming here illegally, but to recently-freed SLAVES who were born in the U.S. Illegals arriving here without permission are under the jurisdiction of their home countries...not the U.S....which is why they have traditionally been deported back to their country of residence when caught. Embassy staff members from Romania who bear children while attached to their embassy in the U.S. don't lose their children's Romanian citizenship, just as military members who are deployed around the world with their families when their children are born, are considered to be "natural born American citizens."
 
The thing is, the 14th Amendment was NEVER intended to apply to those coming here illegally, but to recently-freed SLAVES who were born in the U.S. Illegals arriving here without permission are under the jurisdiction of their home countries...not the U.S....which is why they have traditionally been deported back to their country of residence when caught. Embassy staff members from Romania who bear children while attached to their embassy in the U.S. don't lose their children's Romanian citizenship, just as military members who are deployed around the world with their families when their children are born, are considered to be "natural born American citizens."
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And they know that and they're just hoping that there are ignorant others who don't.

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Feel free to cite the specific cases you are referring to and the writings you are referencing.

ON the surface, I would agree that it seems hypocritical to do things as you've described them. If they actually did them.

The thing is, the 14th Amendment was NEVER intended to apply to those coming here illegally, but to recently-freed SLAVES who were born in the U.S. Illegals arriving here without permission are under the jurisdiction of their home countries...not the U.S....which is why they have traditionally been deported back to their country of residence when caught. Embassy staff members from Romania who bear children while attached to their embassy in the U.S. don't lose their children's Romanian citizenship, just as military members who are deployed around the world with their families when their children are born, are considered to be "natural born American citizens."

Told you. Papa rushed out to tell us that we should recognize the clearly stated wording of the 14th Amendment is not what they Intended. So we should consult our Ouija Boards for guidance. Ignore the clearly stated Amendment. Ignore the actual definitions of the words. Ignore the definitions at the time. Since the phrase subject to the Jurisdiction goes back to Old English Common Law. We are going to have to rewrite History to accommodate their new definition.


Don’t read that link. You’ll be poisoned by the writings of the court at the time of the actual Amendment. You might learn that they meant it exactly as it was written.

The more ignorant you are. The happier the extreme right is. This way they can indoctrinate you more easily.
 
I've found Neil Gorsuch to be a pleasant surprise. I can't imagine any appointee to the nation's highest court to be a partisan hack like Alito, or a mute rubber stamp like Thomas. These judges will serve the rest of their lives on this court and certainly don't want their legacy to resemble Aileen Cannon, the Trump judge in Florida who has found herself once again in a position to weigh the consequences of Donald Trump's malfeasance.
 
Told you. Papa rushed out to tell us that we should recognize the clearly stated wording of the 14th Amendment is not what they Intended. So we should consult our Ouija Boards for guidance. Ignore the clearly stated Amendment. Ignore the actual definitions of the words. Ignore the definitions at the time. Since the phrase subject to the Jurisdiction goes back to Old English Common Law. We are going to have to rewrite History to accommodate their new definition.


Don’t read that link. You’ll be poisoned by the writings of the court at the time of the actual Amendment. You might learn that they meant it exactly as it was written.

The more ignorant you are. The happier the extreme right is. This way they can indoctrinate you more easily.
Nonsense. The negotiations of CONGRESS when debating passage of the 14th is what holds. NOT the opinions of some later activist court that never bothered to even READ the record of those negotiations.
 
Nonsense. The negotiations of CONGRESS when debating passage of the 14th is what holds. NOT the opinions of some later activist court that never bothered to even READ the record of those negotiations.

The phrases used had been in use for generations. Centuries even. Subject to the Jurisdiction began with the days of Kings and Emperors. Subject to the Jurisdiction of the Crown. This goes back to old English law. The foundation of our own law.

The argument at the time, upheld by the courts, was that Indians born on the Treaty Established land, were not American Citizens because they were not Subject to the Jurisdiction of American law. They were independent nations by Treaty.

So this well known phrase, in use for Centuries, was intended to mean something else entirely according to you and the rest of the Revisionist fools.
 
The phrases used had been in use for generations. Centuries even. Subject to the Jurisdiction began with the days of Kings and Emperors. Subject to the Jurisdiction of the Crown. This goes back to old English law. The foundation of our own law.

The argument at the time, upheld by the courts, was that Indians born on the Treaty Established land, were not American Citizens because they were not Subject to the Jurisdiction of American law. They were independent nations by Treaty.

So this well known phrase, in use for Centuries, was intended to mean something else entirely according to you and the rest of the Revisionist fools.
You're as full of crap as a Christmas goose if you believe that someone who illegally steps onto American soil and poops out a kid that makes the kid an American citizen...and that was the intention of those who wrote and approved of the 14th Amendment.
 
You're as full of crap as a Christmas goose if you believe that someone who illegally steps onto American soil and poops out a kid that makes the kid an American citizen...and that was the intention of those who wrote and approved of the 14th Amendment.

If they only intended it to be used once. Just once. Why use such open ended language?

Why use phrases that had been around for centuries? Where do you think the term Subjects came from regarding the people of a nation ruled by a King?

I love the RW. They make me laugh. We have to go back and rewrite whole histories to accommodate their world view. According to you all we have to go and erase all uses of the phrase Subject to the Jurisdiction from history. That way it is a phrase the Nation made up. And it can mean whatever we want it to.

If you don’t like the clearly stated rights in the Constitution. Amend it. Don’t go and try and change history to suit your racist agenda.
 
If they only intended it to be used once. Just once. Why use such open ended language?

Why use phrases that had been around for centuries? Where do you think the term Subjects came from regarding the people of a nation ruled by a King?

I love the RW. They make me laugh. We have to go back and rewrite whole histories to accommodate their world view. According to you all we have to go and erase all uses of the phrase Subject to the Jurisdiction from history. That way it is a phrase the Nation made up. And it can mean whatever we want it to.

If you don’t like the clearly stated rights in the Constitution. Amend it. Don’t go and try and change history to suit your racist agenda.
Only an idiot would accuse someone else of being a racist (or having a racist agenda, whatever that is) who they don't know from Adam himself. The fact is, those who wrote the 14th had no concept that millions of unvetted, third-world, uneducated criminals would invade the country--most without even signing the guest book--and demand (and get) all the privileges (and more) of American citizens.
 

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