Survivor of the Borderland shooting? I should have been able to be armed...

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Is this why some people are claiming he is an anti-Christian lefty?

"Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

Ian Long: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

His actions after that quote sealed the deal.

He's mocking b/c that appears the only thing that ever happens after these seemingly weekly events. Everyone offers their prayers/condolences and nothing happens. That isn't a strong enough case to claim he's some anti-Christian lefty. From what I gather he was a mean, volatile, and solitary person possible suffering from PTSD from his time in Afghanistan. His motives are unclear at the moment and that's if he even had any or left clues as to what they were.

Mocking ??? And then he commits the act in order to show that prayers and thoughts are useless against his special kind of evil ????? Yeah that's a very rational thought process behind his actions for sure... NOT !!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh yeah, that's the ticket, just go and show those Christians just how weak they are when they want to send their prayers and thoughts for the very attrocities people like this idiot committed against them.

Yeah, I get it, You've convinced yourself this murderer was a wild-eye lefty lunatic b/c that confirms biases. It's a common practice with the devoutly partisan around here.

Hey, his quotes said it all.. No further debate needed.

For a partisan moron, perhaps.

 

[buttercup]

Is this why some people are claiming he is an anti-Christian lefty?

"Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

Ian Long: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

His actions after that quote sealed the deal.

He's mocking b/c that appears the only thing that ever happens after these seemingly weekly events. Everyone offers their prayers/condolences and nothing happens. That isn't a strong enough case to claim he's some anti-Christian lefty. From what I gather he was a mean, volatile, and solitary person possible suffering from PTSD from his time in Afghanistan. His motives are unclear at the moment and that's if he even had any or left clues as to what they were.

Mocking ??? And then he commits the act in order to show that prayers and thoughts are useless against his special kind of evil ????? Yeah that's a very rational thought process behind his actions for sure... NOT !!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh yeah, that's the ticket, just go and show those Christians just how weak they are when they want to send their prayers and thoughts for the very attrocities people like this idiot committed against them.

Did you see this? The body wasn’t even cold yet and she was already doing interviews pushing the agenda, hard.



BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So it's learned now that the shooter was anti-christian, and a leftist ???? Well, well, well..

Just heard on the news that the gunman was making statements condemning prayers and thoughts as being an inappropriate response to the past shootings.

So this guy's hatred of Christ humble teachings, and Christian's was a reason to go stupid on innocent people ????

It's time to open back up our major mental institutions in this country once again, and it's time to start locking these people up before they strike or hurt anymore innocent people in this nation.

Time to bring back public hangings, and maybe even add the gillotine back to the line up if have too.

The guy was a military veteran and the police had him evaluated by one of their mental health experts who cleared him, supposed noting that he was probably suffering from PTSD. I wouldn't be suprised if they did so in deference to the fact that he served even though he apparently was cause for their concern.

II has always been my opinion that our society is way too permissible with aggression and violence particularly that exhibited by men. So where do you draw the line between not wanting to harm a military vet or his/her reputation and protecting society when said verteran is exhiting all of the same symptoms/signs that would get anyone else arrested or committed?

 

[Natural Citizen]

BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

I seriously doubt that the woman in this video had a child murdered in that club. I imagine the real mother is likely grieving some place and planning a funeral.

And horrible acting, btw.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Is this why some people are claiming he is an anti-Christian lefty?

"Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

Ian Long: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

His actions after that quote sealed the deal.

He's mocking b/c that appears the only thing that ever happens after these seemingly weekly events. Everyone offers their prayers/condolences and nothing happens. That isn't a strong enough case to claim he's some anti-Christian lefty. From what I gather he was a mean, volatile, and solitary person possible suffering from PTSD from his time in Afghanistan. His motives are unclear at the moment and that's if he even had any or left clues as to what they were.

Mocking ??? And then he commits the act in order to show that prayers and thoughts are useless against his special kind of evil ????? Yeah that's a very rational thought process behind his actions for sure... NOT !!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh yeah, that's the ticket, just go and show those Christians just how weak they are when they want to send their prayers and thoughts for the very attrocities people like this idiot committed against them.

Did you see this? The body wasn’t even cold yet and she was already doing interviews pushing the agenda, hard.



BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

She's very emotionally distraught, understandably.

 

[buttercup]

BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

I seriously doubt that the woman in this video had a child murdered in that club. I imagine the real mother is likely grieving some place and planning a funeral.

And horrible acting, btw.

Yeah, it’s almost embarrassing. But it’s definitely not the first time there was a dry-eyed, poorly acted “emotional” appeal for gun control, the day after one of these events. There are a number of those.

And BTW, I’m going to pray for this woman. Based on the comments, she has lots of prayers coming her way!

 

[beagle9]

Is this why some people are claiming he is an anti-Christian lefty?

"Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

Ian Long: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

His actions after that quote sealed the deal.

He's mocking b/c that appears the only thing that ever happens after these seemingly weekly events. Everyone offers their prayers/condolences and nothing happens. That isn't a strong enough case to claim he's some anti-Christian lefty. From what I gather he was a mean, volatile, and solitary person possible suffering from PTSD from his time in Afghanistan. His motives are unclear at the moment and that's if he even had any or left clues as to what they were.

Mocking ??? And then he commits the act in order to show that prayers and thoughts are useless against his special kind of evil ????? Yeah that's a very rational thought process behind his actions for sure... NOT !!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh yeah, that's the ticket, just go and show those Christians just how weak they are when they want to send their prayers and thoughts for the very attrocities people like this idiot committed against them.

Did you see this? The body wasn’t even cold yet and she was already doing interviews pushing the agenda, hard.



BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

Yep I saw it, and how sick was that situation ? Purdy sick on using leftist talking points to push an agenda whether knowingly or unknowingly doing it. Good grief.

 

[beagle9]

Is this why some people are claiming he is an anti-Christian lefty?

"Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

Ian Long: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

His actions after that quote sealed the deal.

He's mocking b/c that appears the only thing that ever happens after these seemingly weekly events. Everyone offers their prayers/condolences and nothing happens. That isn't a strong enough case to claim he's some anti-Christian lefty. From what I gather he was a mean, volatile, and solitary person possible suffering from PTSD from his time in Afghanistan. His motives are unclear at the moment and that's if he even had any or left clues as to what they were.

Mocking ??? And then he commits the act in order to show that prayers and thoughts are useless against his special kind of evil ????? Yeah that's a very rational thought process behind his actions for sure... NOT !!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh yeah, that's the ticket, just go and show those Christians just how weak they are when they want to send their prayers and thoughts for the very attrocities people like this idiot committed against them.

Did you see this? The body wasn’t even cold yet and she was already doing interviews pushing the agenda, hard.



BTW, go to YouTube and read the comments on that vid.

She's very emotionally distraught, understandably.

Not emotionally distraught enough to not parrot a leftist talking point or points.

 

[beagle9]

So it's learned now that the shooter was anti-christian, and a leftist ???? Well, well, well..

Just heard on the news that the gunman was making statements condemning prayers and thoughts as being an inappropriate response to the past shootings.

So this guy's hatred of Christ humble teachings, and Christian's was a reason to go stupid on innocent people ????

It's time to open back up our major mental institutions in this country once again, and it's time to start locking these people up before they strike or hurt anymore innocent people in this nation.

Time to bring back public hangings, and maybe even add the gillotine back to the line up if have too.

The guy was a military veteran and the police had him evaluated by one of their mental health experts who cleared him, supposed noting that he was probably suffering from PTSD. I wouldn't be suprised if they did so in deference to the fact that he served even though he apparently was cause for their concern.

II has always been my opinion that our society is way too permissible with aggression and violence particularly that exhibited by men. So where do you draw the line between not wanting to harm a military vet or his/her reputation and protecting society when said verteran is exhiting all of the same symptoms/signs that would get anyone else arrested or committed?

If showing signs of mental instability, then the person should be detained and evaluated over a period long enough that it would finally force the rest of his illness out into the open for the right people to analyze.

Then once his real condition is known over time, then the proper treatment is to be administered.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

 

[BULLDOG]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

If showing signs of mental instability, then the person should be detained and evaluated over a period long enough that it would finally force the rest of his illness out into the open for the right people to analyze.

Then once his real condition is known over time, then the proper treatment is to be administered.

But you do realize though that in two instances in just the last year, the mental health experts were proven to be wrong right? This guy in Thousand Oaks and Nickolas Cruz in Parkland, Florida.

I've read that the school resource officer who refused to entered the building during the Parkland shooting was one of the individuals who attempted to have Cruz committed under Florida's Baker Act. He received a lot of flack for not entering that building however if he knew that Cruz was a ticking time bomb about to explode and he did what he could to try to get him committed but was overruled, I find it hard to blame him for not rushing to face Cruz if he didn't feel he could single handedly deal with him. For all he knew Cruz could have been there looking for him, pissed that he tried to have him committed.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

The thing is, not everyone who is in a bar, club, casino, etc. is there to consume alcohol. It's not uncommon for people to go out with their friends or to socialize without drinking particularly if they're the designated driver. Or shooter, whatever the case may be.

 

[BULLDOG]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

The thing is, not everyone who is in a bar, club, casino, etc. is there to consume alcohol. It's not uncommon for people to go out with their friends or to socialize without drinking particularly if they're the designated driver. Or shooter, whatever the case may be.

I never considered that. I guess the few who don't drink make the vast majority that do irrelevant. You realize the purpose for a bar is to serve people drinks, don't you?

 

[Issa]

Yep...a survivor of the shooting is speaking out on the truth...he should have been able to defend himself and others against the attacker....

Borderline Bar & Grill Survivor: 'I Should Have Been Able To Be Armed'

Well, at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA, we have one survivor who says he would have liked to have been that good guy with a gun, only he couldn’t be.

Last night I went to the country bar Borderline in Thousand Oaks, California with my girlfriend Ally and her two friends. I am 20 years old and have lived in Thousand Oaks my whole life. I currently go to California Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks and am a sophomore.

We were having a great time, until at about 11:20 pm when shots started going off. Smoke grenades were thrown by the entrance, which limited my view of the shooter. It was a pistol I believe, and as the shots started, my girlfriend and I ducked behind the DJ booth.

…

I believe this area was a gun free zone, and although there was security, I don’t believe any were armed. I do know that one security officer was killed right when the shooting started.

If just one person was armed, there is a possibility that it could have been stopped then and there. This is why gun free zones are a danger to us all, and if someone had been there armed, those people would still be alive.

The author of this, a man named Alex Chatoff, praised the police for their quick response in taking out the killer, but he has a point. People inside the bar could have done that as well…if California law didn’t do so much to discourage people from being able to protect themselves.

The police officer was armed and well trained.
How responsible to allow a drunk person to carry a gun on him at a dark bar....they cant even aim well at the urinal.

 

[beagle9]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

Because that's where you saw that "on TV" ? LOL.

 

[beagle9]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

The thing is, not everyone who is in a bar, club, casino, etc. is there to consume alcohol. It's not uncommon for people to go out with their friends or to socialize without drinking particularly if they're the designated driver. Or shooter, whatever the case may be.

Designated shooter ??? Good grief.

 

[beagle9]

If showing signs of mental instability, then the person should be detained and evaluated over a period long enough that it would finally force the rest of his illness out into the open for the right people to analyze.

Then once his real condition is known over time, then the proper treatment is to be administered.

But you do realize though that in two instances in just the last year, the mental health experts were proven to be wrong right? This guy in Thousand Oaks and Nickolas Cruz in Parkland, Florida.

I've read that the school resource officer who refused to entered the building during the Parkland shooting was one of the individuals who attempted to have Cruz committed under Florida's Baker Act. He received a lot of flack for not entering that building however if he knew that Cruz was a ticking time bomb about to explode and he did what he could to try to get him committed but was overruled, I find it hard to blame him for not rushing to face Cruz if he didn't feel he could single handedly deal with him. For all he knew Cruz could have been there looking for him, pissed that he tried to have him committed.

Still doesn't change his cowardness.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

The thing is, not everyone who is in a bar, club, casino, etc. is there to consume alcohol. It's not uncommon for people to go out with their friends or to socialize without drinking particularly if they're the designated driver. Or shooter, whatever the case may be.

I never considered that. I guess the few who don't drink make the vast majority that do irrelevant. You realize the purpose for a bar is to serve people drinks, don't you?

True, in a bar I suppose but the point I was trying to make is that any establishment that has a liquor license will require no firearms, I believe it's state law and while the purpose of the establishment may be to sell as many drinks as possible, I believe the majority of their clientele is there moreso to socialize, gamble, dance, etc. depending on the venue than just to sit and drink.

But then again I could be wrong I don't spend a lot of time in places that serve alcohol specifically because they're prohibited areas and I generally won't work venues where there could be obnoxious drunks.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Guns in a bar. Sure, what could go wrong there

During the wild West period it worked pretty well, no one wanted to "play fast draw" game in the bar.

Even in the wild, they didn't allow guns in a saloon. I don't care what you saw on TV.

The thing is, not everyone who is in a bar, club, casino, etc. is there to consume alcohol. It's not uncommon for people to go out with their friends or to socialize without drinking particularly if they're the designated driver. Or shooter, whatever the case may be.

Designated shooter ??? Good grief.

LOL, seriously, you took that literally? I meant the person who isn't going to be drinking (like the designated driver) and is there armed to ensure that the people who are drinking can do so without worrying about any harm coming to them. Also known as armed body guards, escorts, protection officers, etc.