Support Israel? Yes or no?

[Phoenall]

Hey there my friend Phoenall

If You Choose to NOT Believe the Bible Scriptures Prophecy - that Is Your Decision. I am really thankful for Your Honesty.

Your Honesty - is a wonderful thing to me.

Catholics and Muslims however do not think Like You. They are filled with Lies. - While - The Bible and the Quran Contradict one another and declare that the Others message is a LIE. and Evil.

The Quran Contradicts itself and World History and also The Bible. The Bible However does not Contradict itself - nor World history and The Bible says that the Message in the Quran is a Lie.

The God of the Bible and His Message says that the god of Islam is a Liar and that His Message is Evil and incorrect. and False. But Roman Catholics and Muslims still Choose to pretend that they are the Same god.

I will Choose to believe the Bible While You choose to not believe The Bible.

Catholics and Muslims who have no Scriptures for their faith.

They really Love to deceive people into thinking that the god of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. And that Mohammud was descendant of Ishmael.

I bet You have Many Faiths and Claims that are not founded in Reality. But I am sure that once I show You the FACTS - You will be Honest. I admire Your Honesty. Thank You sir.

At least I know that You can not find anything in the Scriptures that is Proven to be Incorrect or False. Thanks again.

The Quran and Ot is pretty much the same. I would bet most of it came from the Jews or Hebrews living in Medina and Mecca at the time, and then gnostic Christians.

by the way, just who is the God of the OT??

Yahweh of course, the same god as the Christian's, Jews and muslims. Stolen from the Jews by the romans and arabs. The koran is known to have been based on the Bible and torah, just as the O.T is also based on the Torah. Remember that Mecca and Medina were Jewish cities in the 7C and so mo'mad would have been influenced by the Jewish religion to a great extent. Then the 12 year old girl he took as his sex slave would have taught him what she knew about Judaism as well.

You are just posting what is a known fact for the sake of posting.

 

[Jacketofroses]

Dear Phoenall and Others.
Hey Friends.

I Personally have found None of the New Testament to be OPEN to false interpretation.

And I Fail - To Provide a single instance or a single eXample of any part of the New Testament - to be OPEN to false interpretation.

I realize the eXistance of The same bottomless pit of our first agreement - that which we all already know is true.
Even true for the Old Testament.

Most of - The Old Testament and - The New Testament can not be proven. Both have written claims that do not have corroborative evidence. - Most of the O.T. - Has no corroborative evidence of any of it being true. There is no Proof. BUT..... Neither, the New or The Old Testament can be Proven to be Incorrect.

The NEW TESTAMENT does not Contradict the Old Testament. The New Testament agrees corroborates and supports and its Message seeks to Complete the O.T..

The Quran however has nothing to do with the O.T. or The New. The Qurans message is that the Old Testament and the New are both Messages from Satan.

The Adam, The Abraham, The God, Sarah and Isaac and Jacob, The Ishmael, The Prophets and Jesus Christ Himself - are not the same People.

The God of the Quran or the Abraham of the Quran never eXisted in the Bible.

by the way - The God of the N.T. is the Same God of the O.T. - According to the N.T. - The God of Christians and Jews has stepped into His OWN Creation and Manifested HIMSELF as a CREATED being. From the Old Testament, God is Walking and Talking in the Garden with Adam. God morphed / manifested Himself to Abraham in the Form of a Man. And to Moses.

God is Morphed Himself - as the Christ. the Lord Yahshua, JESUS. Who Claims to be ( LITTERALY ) the FATHER. The image of the Invisible God.

The Quran denies this God of the O.T. And Denies and contradicts - the entire story-line of the O.T. - The Gospels Confirm - the O.T. And there is no Contradiction in any way.

Everyone here seems to be Making The Same claim which they refuse to address or Prove. Then - They Pretend that the Fact that Much of the Bible can not be Proven - is somehow proof / or a large enough distraction to confuse into manifested validation .

Am i dealing with Catholics and Muslims here. - Or Just Confused people who can not Find any portions of the New Testament That is OPEN to false interpretation.

And who also fail to provide a single place in the New Testament - that Contradicts the Old Testament. I see no false interpretation. - What false interpretation are You seeing.

Propping up the Quran or Kissing the Quran does not prove any of these two CATHOLISLAMIC Claims that You made. It only shows how little You pretend to know about everything.

Because Ignorance is absolute proof - to many people. ?

 

[seaofnails]

he Hello
Yes many things on earth are pretty much, sort of the same.
Someone stated that the Quran and the OT are sort of the same !

You, me and the local murderer locked up in the state prison down the highway -
All three of us are pretty much, sort of the same.. ?

We have many, many similar similarities and we are the eXact same in many ways.​

A little pet dog and a new born baby are sort of the same. They eat, sleep and need to be petted strokes or pat affectionately and nurtured and held and they are sort of the same size.

Of course You and I are not eXactly the same as the murderer and of course The Quran and Old Testament are not at all, { sort of } the same and a little doggie is not sort of, or eXactly like a baby.

BUT - The Quran and the Bible are not sort of the same book. - Not the same Characters and not the same story and same god. The Quran is clearly declaring that The Bible message and content is all false, The Bible is declaring that the Quran message and content Is a total lie.

The Quran and Bible demand that one of the other are a mesage of evil and perversity. and a lie, According to the Quran - The Bible message Is Corrupted, Evil and false. And The Bible declares that the Quran message is false and evil

We have two totally opposing messages about two opposing gods who have two totally different names and deities, values plans, purposes, aspirations, desires, functions, plans, principles, and missions and objectives. Just because the Quran takes a couple Characters of the Bible and re creates a different storyline does not make them the same in any way at all. Nor does it make it the same as The God Of Abraham . The god of The Quran is nothing like the God Of Abraham. The God Of Abraham has manifested Himself as a physical being eXisting as a creation in His own creation.

The God of the Bible is very concerned about keeping clean, washing pots, pans clothing and washing after sexual activity. The God of the Bible demands that things like adultery and fornication are blood crimes and lead to health problems. And eXpects punishment for breaking the BLOOD CRIME LAW. While the god of the Quran simply allows all forms of total wholesale adultery and never ending prostitution and sexual slavery to go on and the only idea of anything such as seXual illegality is when “ If a lady slave commits illegal sexual …she should be flogged (fifty stripes Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 82 Hadith 823

Allah’s Apostle was asked about an unmarried slave-girl who committed illegal sexual intercourse. They heard him saying, “Flog her, and if she commits illegal sexual intercourse after that, flog her again, and on the third (or the fourth) offense, sell her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 34 Hadith 435

Do not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 89 Hadith 320

The idea of illegal sexual intercourse sounds similar to that of the Bible but in The Bible the law is nothing like the Quran. In the Quran Their women live lifestyles of marriages where in their religion they are allowed to spend a few hours, days or just a couple months involved in a marriage. In Islam the woman is allowed to leave their marriage any time the Husband wishes to get a divorce for any reason and for no major reason at all. And the woman can leave all their children with the previous husband and move on to another husband, anytime the new husband wishes her do so. In The Religion, This is normal, so long as all MALE parties agree. This creates a society of misbegotten children with no families whose mothers are allowed normally to re-marry and divorce on and on unlimited. Many millions of innocent children in Islam simply have no related mothers in the Home and by the time the child reaches adulthood, their real mothers have moved on and on to possibly a very high amount of new husbands and bore many other new children along the way with 4 to up to 12 or more new husbands just in a matter of 20 years and the poor children of the previous marriages are no longer important to the previous husbands comparison to the current children of the current wives.

There are millions of refugee, misbegotten children who have been abandoned by Muslim fathers and mothers strewn and sown, scattered and tossed across the planet that come from parents who conceived each child in the Middle Eastern Muslim world. The Bible and The Quran can be said to be sort of, kind of the same but when You read the actual details of the books You will find that they are not at all the same.

They are so different that the name of each of the gods are nothing like or sort of the same. The MEANINGS of the names of the god of the Quran and of the Bible do not mean anything close resembling the same meaning. The purpose of the angels, the behaviors and mission and messages of the angels and the very duties and storyline of the angels are totally opposite. The Quran has jinn which are neutral spirit beings that do not eXist in any way at all in the Bible. The Quran demands angels can never sin and that Satan was never an angel in heaven. But Satan was a different NON ANGELIC spirit being who eXisted in a social order that included celebrating weddings, honoring kings, and practicing a religion. In other words there were no one third of angels who fell and rebelled against God in the Quran.

How is anything the same in the Quran when reading the Holy Bible ?

This is a complete lie. The quran simply hijacks the Bible and takes it to another reality with another god, another storyline and purpose and another goal and another heaven and hell that never eXists in the Bible. Your false statement is like saying John Smith is on a airplane flight that is hijacked where the hijackers dump out all the passengers, the pilots and crew and then re name a few among themselves certain names of a couple of original pilots and crew and take a dive down into a volcano as they demand that they are taking John Smith to His destination.

Yes both flights and landings were the same; they have a lot of similarities and similar things about them. They flew a plane; they descended up and then down to complete the flight. How did John Smith get to His destination? ? Your statement makes no sense.

The Quran and The Old Testament are in no way the same. I could spend a month, filling up hundreds of pages taking the books line by line proving how they are not sort of the same.
You provide no proof of Your claim and You have not shown anything that demonstrates that the Quran and the OT are anything like one another.

You are simply demanding that John Smith made it home and is now sort of having a hot steaming shower because the hijackers sort of flew the plane the same like the original pilots. ?

 

[Shazoomx4]

For who do not support in Israel, You even know what happen here?
What do you know about Israel?
The only Democracy in the damn middle east.

 

[Shazoomx4]

I support for sure. the good side vs the evil!

 

[protectionist]

he Hello
Yes many things on earth are pretty much, sort of the same.
Someone stated that the Quran and the OT are sort of the same !

You, me and the local murderer locked up in the state prison down the highway -
All three of us are pretty much, sort of the same.. ?

We have many, many similar similarities and we are the eXact same in many ways.​

A little pet dog and a new born baby are sort of the same. They eat, sleep and need to be petted strokes or pat affectionately and nurtured and held and they are sort of the same size.

Of course You and I are not eXactly the same as the murderer and of course The Quran and Old Testament are not at all, { sort of } the same and a little doggie is not sort of, or eXactly like a baby.

BUT - The Quran and the Bible are not sort of the same book. - Not the same Characters and not the same story and same god. The Quran is clearly declaring that The Bible message and content is all false, The Bible is declaring that the Quran message and content Is a total lie.

The Quran and Bible demand that one of the other are a mesage of evil and perversity. and a lie, According to the Quran - The Bible message Is Corrupted, Evil and false. And The Bible declares that the Quran message is false and evil

We have two totally opposing messages about two opposing gods who have two totally different names and deities, values plans, purposes, aspirations, desires, functions, plans, principles, and missions and objectives. Just because the Quran takes a couple Characters of the Bible and re creates a different storyline does not make them the same in any way at all. Nor does it make it the same as The God Of Abraham . The god of The Quran is nothing like the God Of Abraham. The God Of Abraham has manifested Himself as a physical being eXisting as a creation in His own creation.

The God of the Bible is very concerned about keeping clean, washing pots, pans clothing and washing after sexual activity. The God of the Bible demands that things like adultery and fornication are blood crimes and lead to health problems. And eXpects punishment for breaking the BLOOD CRIME LAW. While the god of the Quran simply allows all forms of total wholesale adultery and never ending prostitution and sexual slavery to go on and the only idea of anything such as seXual illegality is when “ If a lady slave commits illegal sexual …she should be flogged (fifty stripes Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 82 Hadith 823

Allah’s Apostle was asked about an unmarried slave-girl who committed illegal sexual intercourse. They heard him saying, “Flog her, and if she commits illegal sexual intercourse after that, flog her again, and on the third (or the fourth) offense, sell her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 34 Hadith 435

Do not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, Sahih Al-Bukhari – Book 89 Hadith 320

The idea of illegal sexual intercourse sounds similar to that of the Bible but in The Bible the law is nothing like the Quran. In the Quran Their women live lifestyles of marriages where in their religion they are allowed to spend a few hours, days or just a couple months involved in a marriage. In Islam the woman is allowed to leave their marriage any time the Husband wishes to get a divorce for any reason and for no major reason at all. And the woman can leave all their children with the previous husband and move on to another husband, anytime the new husband wishes her do so. In The Religion, This is normal, so long as all MALE parties agree. This creates a society of misbegotten children with no families whose mothers are allowed normally to re-marry and divorce on and on unlimited. Many millions of innocent children in Islam simply have no related mothers in the Home and by the time the child reaches adulthood, their real mothers have moved on and on to possibly a very high amount of new husbands and bore many other new children along the way with 4 to up to 12 or more new husbands just in a matter of 20 years and the poor children of the previous marriages are no longer important to the previous husbands comparison to the current children of the current wives.

There are millions of refugee, misbegotten children who have been abandoned by Muslim fathers and mothers strewn and sown, scattered and tossed across the planet that come from parents who conceived each child in the Middle Eastern Muslim world. The Bible and The Quran can be said to be sort of, kind of the same but when You read the actual details of the books You will find that they are not at all the same.

They are so different that the name of each of the gods are nothing like or sort of the same. The MEANINGS of the names of the god of the Quran and of the Bible do not mean anything close resembling the same meaning. The purpose of the angels, the behaviors and mission and messages of the angels and the very duties and storyline of the angels are totally opposite. The Quran has jinn which are neutral spirit beings that do not eXist in any way at all in the Bible. The Quran demands angels can never sin and that Satan was never an angel in heaven. But Satan was a different NON ANGELIC spirit being who eXisted in a social order that included celebrating weddings, honoring kings, and practicing a religion. In other words there were no one third of angels who fell and rebelled against God in the Quran.

How is anything the same in the Quran when reading the Holy Bible ?

This is a complete lie. The quran simply hijacks the Bible and takes it to another reality with another god, another storyline and purpose and another goal and another heaven and hell that never eXists in the Bible. Your false statement is like saying John Smith is on a airplane flight that is hijacked where the hijackers dump out all the passengers, the pilots and crew and then re name a few among themselves certain names of a couple of original pilots and crew and take a dive down into a volcano as they demand that they are taking John Smith to His destination.

Yes both flights and landings were the same; they have a lot of similarities and similar things about them. They flew a plane; they descended up and then down to complete the flight. How did John Smith get to His destination? ? Your statement makes no sense.

The Quran and The Old Testament are in no way the same. I could spend a month, filling up hundreds of pages taking the books line by line proving how they are not sort of the same.
You provide no proof of Your claim and You have not shown anything that demonstrates that the Quran and the OT are anything like one another.

You are simply demanding that John Smith made it home and is now sort of having a hot steaming shower because the hijackers sort of flew the plane the same like the original pilots. ?

Good post, but there is no need to spend time on a long post to challenge moronic posts that try to equivocate the Koran with the Bible. Nothing could be more ridiculous than that. The Bible is goodness. The Koran is evil, disguised as goodness. Just that simple.

We have deranged jihadists in this forum (as in most any forum). These nutjobs will say anything. But do we spend time arguing with people who say the world will end tomorrow ?

 

[protectionist]

So no mention of "nd the occupation and the violence will end then" want to try again using the hamas, fatah and PLO charters. Or you could use the letter sent to the UN that clearly states that there will never be peace until the Jews are wiped out and Israel is returned to the Islamic waqf.

Not once have you shown that hamas, fatah and the PLO would end the violence if the occupation was lifted, because you know they will not do so and have told the world they will not do so.

The only occupiers are the Palestinians. Israel belongs in Israel, where they were for centuries before Islam began to exist.

The Palestinians are not having anything taken from them. They HAVE a country. It's called Jordan.

 

[protectionist]

Hey there my friend Phoenall

If You Choose to NOT Believe the Bible Scriptures Prophecy - that Is Your Decision. I am really thankful for Your Honesty.

Your Honesty - is a wonderful thing to me.

Catholics and Muslims however do not think Like You. They are filled with Lies. - While - The Bible and the Quran Contradict one another and declare that the Others message is a LIE. and Evil.

The Quran Contradicts itself and World History and also The Bible. The Bible However does not Contradict itself - nor World history and The Bible says that the Message in the Quran is a Lie.

The God of the Bible and His Message says that the god of Islam is a Liar and that His Message is Evil and incorrect. and False. But Roman Catholics and Muslims still Choose to pretend that they are the Same god.

I will Choose to believe the Bible While You choose to not believe The Bible.

Catholics and Muslims who have no Scriptures for their faith.

They really Love to deceive people into thinking that the god of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. And that Mohammud was descendant of Ishmael.

I bet You have Many Faiths and Claims that are not founded in Reality. But I am sure that once I show You the FACTS - You will be Honest. I admire Your Honesty. Thank You sir.

At least I know that You can not find anything in the Scriptures that is Proven to be Incorrect or False. Thanks again.

The Quran and Ot is pretty much the same. I would bet most of it came from the Jews or Hebrews living in Medina and Mecca at the time, and then gnostic Christians.

by the way, just who is the God of the OT??

Is there a doctor in the house ?

Does this fool (calling himself Penelope, to try to appear as an American female) understand how ludicrous he looks in this forum ? Well, at least he's not trying to equate the vile Koran, with the gracious NEW Testament.

Hey Mohammed! (or whatever your real name is) Isn't Tehran, or Damascus, or Mecca, really where you ought to be ?

 

[montelatici]

For who do not support in Israel, You even know what happen here?
What do you know about Israel?
The only Democracy in the damn middle east.

How is Israel democratic when nearly 40% of the people under Israeli Jewish control can't vote?

 

[Hossfly]

For who do not support in Israel, You even know what happen here?
What do you know about Israel?
The only Democracy in the damn middle east.

How is Israel democratic when nearly 40% of the people under Israeli Jewish control can't vote?

Because they have a democratic government. What's voting eligibility have to do with it?

 

[MaryL]

Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?

Israel is not the victims, they are the perpetrators.

Yawn, let's blame the victim mentality, Kinison dude.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yawn, let's blame the victim mentality, Kinison dude.

How is the most militarized country on the planet, with nuclear weapons, making shit up to attack its neighbors...............a victim?

 

[MaryL]

Yawn, let's blame the victim mentality, Kinison dude.

How is the most militarized country on the planet, with nuclear weapons, making shit up to attack its neighbors...............a victim?

THE MOST MILITARIZED NATION OF THE WORLD? Well, take that in perspective. China is perhaps the MOST. Anyway, most of Israel's immediate neighbors wanted to destroy them and it's always been defensive, not offensive. Who "needs to make up "shit"?

 

[protectionist]

How is the most militarized country on the planet, with nuclear weapons, making shit up to attack its neighbors...............a victim?

By Hamas blasting them with thousands of rockets,....for starters. By countries call for their annihilation, for another.

 

[Billo_Really]

By Hamas blasting them with thousands of rockets,....for starters. By countries call for their annihilation, for another.

Those rockets didn't start until 2001. That's 34 years after the occupation began. The Pals have every right in the world to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.

BTW, all those rockets are in response to Israeli missile strikes.

 

[Hossfly]

By Hamas blasting them with thousands of rockets,....for starters. By countries call for their annihilation, for another.

Those rockets didn't start until 2001. That's 34 years after the occupation began. The Pals have every right in the world to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.

BTW, all those rockets are in response to Israeli missile strikes.

You ain't seen nuthin yet, Homer.

 

[MaryL]

I support Israel, as opposed to say, death camps and genocide. What was the alternative, again?

 

[Billo_Really]

You ain't seen nuthin yet, Homer.

Ba ba ba baby...

I see you're a BTO fan?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?

Israel is not the victims, they are the perpetrators.

Yawn, let's blame the victim mentality, Kinison dude.

LOL, Victim?

Most nations since WW2 which steal land, and kill are either slapped with sanctions, or attacked.

Look at Putin who got sanctions slapped on him for merely taking over a Russian majority Crimea, without war.

Why does the ultimate victim get away with being Colonialist scums, and run Hollywood, Wall Street, the Fed Reserve, the media and so forth.

 

[Indeependent]

Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?

Israel is not the victims, they are the perpetrators.

Yawn, let's blame the victim mentality, Kinison dude.

LOL, Victim?

Most nations since WW2 which steal land, and kill are either slapped with sanctions, or attacked.

Look at Putin who got sanctions slapped on him for merely taking over a Russian majority Crimea, without war.

Why does the ultimate victim get away with being Colonialist scums, and run Hollywood, Wall Street, the Fed Reserve, the media and so forth.

Jealous, FedEx boy?
Now go deliver a package for your daddy.