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Maybe the choices will be political rather than academic, that's what you're saying? If so, that would be a shame. But I don't disagree with the sentiment behind the demands. It is important to hear different perspectives. It sure helps people get along better, understanding a little bit of where they're coming from.If that means I miss out in one class on Yeats in order to read Elizabeth Barrett Browning, is that so horrible? The alarm is all nonsense.
"How do I love thee? Let me count the ways."
Yeahbut ---- I don't think that's the choice kids paying for grossly overpriced college indoctrination are going to get. Yours was literally the choice I had when I did competitive poetry reading in high school (they wouldn't let girls do extemporaneous speaking or debate in those days so boys could get practice for law or politics....).
I think the whole point now is to shove in some VERY poor-quality writers of incendiary black victimhood stuff and who knows what -- transvestite promotion and Boston Marriages and so on. I think if books are quality, they'll rise to the top. Most of the black stuff is just "Oh, the poor black victims," and that's just boring and stupid, IMO. I go to a local bookstore in a white town run by whites which is, I noticed yesterday, FULL of "Oh, the poor blacks" books. Which of course I avoid. And I suddenly thought, you got a lot of black customers, lady? Because I sure never saw any. Who is reading this crap? It's like the so-called "art" that consists of obscenities and dead bulls in formaldehyde. It's a scam; there will be a swing of the pendulum to sensible stuff that people actually want to pay money for and relate to, literature and art.
The group sounds like typical Democrats to me. Book burners.The Wokesters are so blatantly racist today, and it boggles my mind why they get away with it.
Notre Dame Students Call for the Removal of White Authors from Curriculum | Breitbart
Can someone explain why this is not damned as racism?
Unfortunately they are mainstream Democrats by 2020 standards.The Wokesters are so blatantly racist today, and it boggles my mind why they get away with it.
Notre Dame Students Call for the Removal of White Authors from Curriculum | Breitbart
Can someone explain why this is not damned as racism?
It is racism.
But it’s important to note that this is a fringe group. There have always been fringe groups on campus make silly demands such as this one, and there always will be.
Who decides who is "best?" There is nothing "color blind" about our value judgments; we are most comfortable with what we know best, people of our own kind.I can't wait until those of you with authoritarian racialist viewpoints are able to rework the 19th CENTURY European Literature courses according to your quota system.Also the other problem with this thread is the article is about Western Civilization NOT western Literature. How many women and minorities had anything to do with creating western civilization? The liberals on this thread keep bringing up stuff NOT associated with the op and say but see they existed....
Actually, if you go to the article, Breitbart linked to a more comprehensive article. The group isn't talking about just "Western Civilization" - it wants all required readings and courses to have a diversity of authors:
With that, “no course or program of study should have a view limited to white, western, and/or male voices. We demand that people who are of Color, Indigenous, Black, queer, or not male are represented in the authorship of at least half course and major required readings,” the demand states.
It's unrealistic, but it isn't in and of itself racist.
How is it "authoritarian"? The students are typical students - passionate about what they believe even if they don't get the ramifications totally. But they have a point, broadening the scope of writers students are exposed to. THAT is not actually a bad thing and should be an ongoing goal of eduction imo. I don't see it as authoritarian.
Making racist demands is inherently authoritarian and often times stupid as my example reveals.
My son is taking 20th century Japanese literature. should the likes of Kawabata or Oe be removed simply because students are demanding they be removed in favor of Black authors? It's madness.
The statement is that NO course should be allowed that are not given an arbitrary racial quota. In many cases, that is utterly unreasonable, and to comply would undermine the very purpose of education.
The best idea should always win. The best writing should always be favored. The best science should always prevail. The color blind approach is the approach that is not racist. Making everything about race simply because practitioners of authoritarian politics demands it is entirely racist.
That is the first time I have heard rabid racism described as merely a perspective, but whatever floats your float, OL.It's about perspective, Jim. There's nothing else to say about it.
Why, thank you, Jim.That is the first time I have heard rabid racism described as merely a perspective, but whatever floats your float, OL.It's about perspective, Jim. There's nothing else to say about it.
Who decides who is "best?" There is nothing "color blind" about our value judgments; we are most comfortable with what we know best, people of our own kind.
Just like with Affirmative Action, you are choosing to view this as white discrimination, as whites losing something, instead of an action to broaden our culture to incorporate more minority involvement. The glass is half empty or half full. You are insisting on seeing it half empty, as losing something rather than gaining valuable insight.
Their demands are unrealistic, but it will get the student community talking, make professors more aware when they make their reading choices. When you start "trading," you ask for a price far higher than you expect to get, right? Same thing here.
I took a Modern Western Civ class once years and years ago in night school. The professor was a German Jew who had her first kiss in a bomb shelter in Berlin. She was one of the lucky ones who got out with her family before it was too late. Her take on the US actions in WWII was VERY different from anything I had ever heard before. It doesn't hurt to hear other perspectives, no matter if they are painful. Sometimes truth hurts. Sometimes, even if it is only part of the truth, it is good to know those ideas are out there.
They demanding that SOME white male authors be removed and authors representing other view points be added. Isn’t that promoting intellectual diversity?Not as long as it discriminates against White guys, right?It's unrealistic, but it isn't in and of itself racist.The liberals on this thread keep bringing up stuff NOT associated with the op and say but see they existed....
Lets be clear, the students are demanding WHITE authors be removed, not just some reform of the list based on a diversity of IDEAS.
Why are liberals these days so blind to intellectual diversity?
Oh, right, because all intellectuals with good hearts are, deep down, liberals too?
How do you know they are lesser? Isn’t that an assumption?Admittedly I didn't read all of the article, but seems to me they want to limit some of the articles to include lesser articles that were written by minorities, that is excluding.No one is excluding.Expanding is fine, excluding is another thingSpin it any way you like, Jim. I'm just telling you the reality of the situation. Like I said, Notre Dame is way behind the times.I dont know how you can miss the racism in saying remove books by white men.I laugh when something as mainstream as diversifying the canon is held up as "racist" or "radical." The literary canon has been expanded to include many voices and perspectives, and it is a very interesting read.
Student activists at the University of Notre Dame are calling for the removal of white authors from the university curriculum to “decolonize” the university. According to the students, “diversifying the canon helps eliminate the violence of only privileging white scholarship.”Your reflexive defense of everything Woketard is interesting though.
According to a report by The College Fix, a student activist group at the University of Notre Dame called “End Hate at ND” is demanding that the university drastically rewrite course curriculum because they believe it currently features too many works by white authors.
The only reason they need to cut out some of the white guys is that even Notre Dame English majors can only read so many novels in a semester. Expanding the canon to include other perspectives and points of view is a GOOD thing. It's really sad that it scares anyone.
My answer does answer the question, you asked what I would do and that is what I would do, you realize now the folly of your claim which is why you can but wont rate the answer.Your idea doesn't seem to answer the question since skin color is not the only criteria.
Here is where left wing logic trips itself up...you want to "add a more diverse viewpoint" and skin color does not rate as an answer, hmmmm, it's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a riddle...If you want to add a more diverse veiw point in text book selection and there is a finite amount of textbooks/reading time etc - how do you go about it? Do you stick to the status quo? Do you subtract some and add some?
...However, if I wanted to ban books and get away with it I would use the method described in the OP...how would you rate that in terms of getting away with it? keep in mind the race card is in the deck.
How does removing some authors on the basis of their race and gender have anything to do with intellectual diversity?They demanding that SOME white male authors be removed and authors representing other view points be added. Isn’t that promoting intellectual diversity?
When leftwing Woketards demand dropping authors from curriculums simply because they are white, only liberal ideologues can somehow assert that has nothing to do with race at all, lol.But no books are banned. That is the problem with rightwing logic.
Evidently you even argue about race when alone since the above never took place with me...everything in that post is made up because nothing I sad fits your narrative so you invented something that did.But no books are banned. That is the problem with rightwing logic.
Left wing logic: we need more diversity in everything!
Right wing logic: they want add more diverse authors, they are banning books!
Somewhere is rational middle.
Not all courses benefit from ethnic/other diversity being added. Math and hard sciences for example. But courses in history, literature, culture, sociology could well benefit. For example a history of Latin America would benefit by including readings by authors from that region. A course on Native American cultures, similar.
So let’s add some where it matters. How is that racist?
Is it racist that most textbooks and readings are by white make authors?
Claims of racism often are not.
Evidently you even argue about race when alone since the above never took place with me...everything in that post is made up because nothing I sad fits your narrative so you invented something that did.But no books are banned. That is the problem with rightwing logic.
Left wing logic: we need more diversity in everything!
Right wing logic: they want add more diverse authors, they are banning books!
Somewhere is rational middle.
Not all courses benefit from ethnic/other diversity being added. Math and hard sciences for example. But courses in history, literature, culture, sociology could well benefit. For example a history of Latin America would benefit by including readings by authors from that region. A course on Native American cultures, similar.
So let’s add some where it matters. How is that racist?
Is it racist that most textbooks and readings are by white make authors?
Claims of racism often are not.
How does removing some authors on the basis of their race and gender have anything to do with intellectual diversity?They demanding that SOME white male authors be removed and authors representing other view points be added. Isn’t that promoting intellectual diversity?
Are you assuming that people of the same race all think alike?
While I would be very much in favor of dropping Karl Marx and adding Walter E Williams, or dropping Earl Warren for Clarence Thomas, or dropping Noam Chomsky for Thomas Sowell, I think we both know that when these Marxist students demand 'minority authors' they mean MARXIST authors as if that is the only legit minority perspective on anything.
lol...you mean "backdoor book banning" [don't you?], and so far the only defense you have had is to repeatedly misquote me on it.You are the one who keeps insisting it is a book banning.
In the sense that the rest is nonsensical jibber jabber and couldn't possibly be anything I said or would say, that is true.The rest is to the overall topic, not anything I said you said.
That is not intellectual diversity, which is actually desirable.I think we both no no such thing. The student's are demanding authors from LGBTQ backgrounds, minority backgrounds, more women etc. You are turning into an argument on political views. I read the article, and the article it linked to. Nowhere is there any indication that these students are "Marxist".
lol...you mean "backdoor book banning" [don't you?], and so far the only defense you have had is to repeatedly misquote me on it.You are the one who keeps insisting it is a book banning.
In the sense that the rest is nonsensical jibber jabber and couldn't possibly be anything I said or would say, that is true.[/QUOTE]The rest is to the overall topic, not anything I said you said.
That is not intellectual diversity, which is actually desirable.I think we both no no such thing. The student's are demanding authors from LGBTQ backgrounds, minority backgrounds, more women etc. You are turning into an argument on political views. I read the article, and the article it linked to. Nowhere is there any indication that these students are "Marxist".
