Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

[Gunny]

FAA works pretty well.

Evidently not, if you've been paying attention to recent history

And which of those crashes were the FAA's fault? They can't exactly prevent everything, but they do a damn good job.



Yes, Republicans have tried to abuse the power constantly, but overall it is still an effective organization.

and IRS.

You leave in your own little world, don't you?

/pat you.

How many sealybobo's can one message board take? The Republicans this ... the Republicans that ... blah, blah, fucking blah.

 

[Gunny]

Rediculous partisan rantings removed.

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

god damn you are dumb. Is this an act?

I can't believe you waited for this. What do you think the thread was about?


swedent
denmark
norway
finland
france
germany
netherlands
canada
switzerland
austria
new zealand



Where's your list of successful democratic rightwing countries?

Puh-lease.

Define successful. I don't see what amounts to one set of balls amongst the lot of your "list." Yet you wish to follow them down the drain to mediocrity.

Whatever happened to you lefties belief in the right to choose? It seems to change with each subject. You leftists that want to force your ideas down everyone else's throats are NO better than anyone you accuse of trying to do the same.

And the US has been more successful than ANY of those nations until leftwingnuts that don't want to have to earn what they have just have it handed to them on a silver platter for existing got a voice. I liked y'all MUCH better when that duct tape still covered that chasm under your noses.

 

[editec]

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

chris has stated in the past that he does NOT buy insurance because he doesn't believe in it, not because he can't afford it.
The comment was directed at Chris, no one else.

Chris pays for insurance if he works.

He pays about 6% of his income into medicade.

Ergo he is NOT freeloading, he is merely an as-yet unenrolled participant in the medicade system.

 

[elvis]

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

chris has stated in the past that he does NOT buy insurance because he doesn't believe in it, not because he can't afford it.
The comment was directed at Chris, no one else.

Chris pays for insurance if he works.

He pays about 6% of his income into medicade.

Ergo he is NOT freeloading, he is merely an as-yet unenrolled participant in the medicade system.

which is something you and I will have to pay for if he needs an operation.

 

[sealybobo]

World's Happiest Places

I find this study very interesting. I've always been a free market capitalist, but find myself wondering if America's emphasis on work, above all else, is really working for us, or healthy.

Is work more important than life? Or do these northern European countries know something we don't? Have they learned to balance work and life in a way that we haven't?

I think the question we have to ask ourselves, as a country is: "Is the American way of life working for the vast majority of Americans?" I'm not sure, and I don't have any answers, but thought I'd share.

The free market capitalists have pushed too far. It has produced too many poor people.

That's the measure of a good political phylosophy, no? Not how rich a few get but rather how well off are the middle class and how poor are the poor.

Our society is measured by how we treat the least of us, not the richest.

They were talking about this on Thom Hartmann today. He said, "denmark or one of those socialist countries (i forgot which one), but when their economy took a dump, they increased their cradle to grave social services. So free school, free healthcare, etc.

So when people got sick, they didn't die. And if the economy needed people to get re educated, they could do it because education is FREE!!!

 

[elvis]

World's Happiest Places

I find this study very interesting. I've always been a free market capitalist, but find myself wondering if America's emphasis on work, above all else, is really working for us, or healthy.

Is work more important than life? Or do these northern European countries know something we don't? Have they learned to balance work and life in a way that we haven't?

I think the question we have to ask ourselves, as a country is: "Is the American way of life working for the vast majority of Americans?" I'm not sure, and I don't have any answers, but thought I'd share.

The free market capitalists have pushed too far. It has produced too many poor people.

That's the measure of a good political phylosophy, no? Not how rich a few get but rather how well off are the middle class and how poor are the poor.

Our society is measured by how we treat the least of us, not the richest.

They were talking about this on Thom Hartmann today. He said, "denmark or one of those socialist countries (i forgot which one), but when their economy took a dump, they increased their cradle to grave social services. So free school, free healthcare, etc.

So when people got sick, they didn't die. And if the economy needed people to get re educated, they could do it because education is FREE!!!

yeah time for the anti-american pussies like you to take over.

 

[sealybobo]

World's Happiest Places

I find this study very interesting. I've always been a free market capitalist, but find myself wondering if America's emphasis on work, above all else, is really working for us, or healthy.

Is work more important than life? Or do these northern European countries know something we don't? Have they learned to balance work and life in a way that we haven't?

I think the question we have to ask ourselves, as a country is: "Is the American way of life working for the vast majority of Americans?" I'm not sure, and I don't have any answers, but thought I'd share.

The free market capitalists have pushed too far. It has produced too many poor people.

That's the measure of a good political phylosophy, no? Not how rich a few get but rather how well off are the middle class and how poor are the poor.

Our society is measured by how we treat the least of us, not the richest.

They were talking about this on Thom Hartmann today. He said, "denmark or one of those socialist countries (i forgot which one), but when their economy took a dump, they increased their cradle to grave social services. So free school, free healthcare, etc.

So when people got sick, they didn't die. And if the economy needed people to get re educated, they could do it because education is FREE!!!

yeah time for the anti-american pussies like you to take over.

Who's the pussy?

The guy who risks his job and goes on strike when he sees his CEO is making $20 million a year while the company is asking him to take a pay cut.

Or pussies like YOU who just take the pay cut.

It is people like you who is ruining what makes America great. What makes America great? A strong middle class, that's what.

It wasn't free markets that gave our country such a strong middle class.

And so while you call me anti American, you are the one who is actually anti American. You just don't know it because you are a fucking retard.

 

[elvis]

The free market capitalists have pushed too far. It has produced too many poor people.

That's the measure of a good political phylosophy, no? Not how rich a few get but rather how well off are the middle class and how poor are the poor.

Our society is measured by how we treat the least of us, not the richest.

They were talking about this on Thom Hartmann today. He said, "denmark or one of those socialist countries (i forgot which one), but when their economy took a dump, they increased their cradle to grave social services. So free school, free healthcare, etc.

So when people got sick, they didn't die. And if the economy needed people to get re educated, they could do it because education is FREE!!!

yeah time for the anti-american pussies like you to take over.

Who's the pussy?

The guy who risks his job and goes on strike when he sees his CEO is making $20 million a year while the company is asking him to take a pay cut.

Or pussies like YOU who just take the pay cut.

It is people like you who is ruining what makes America great. What makes America great? A strong middle class, that's what.

It wasn't free markets that gave our country such a strong middle class.

And so while you call me anti American, you are the one who is actually anti American. You just don't know it because you are a fucking retard.

you and chrissie should move to cuba until castro dies. you yellow piece of shit.

 

[AllieBaba]

Er..shouldn't it be "Socialist nations" instead of "socialistic"?

I mean...it's "communist" nations...not communistic....wouldn't that be the rule for socialist nations as well????

If not, it should.

And boob boy, those poor workers who don't like their bosses can always quit and start their own businesses...where they will treat their own employees like royalty, I'm sure.

We all know what fine, upstanding men the early teamsters were!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Rediculous partisan rantings removed.

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

god damn you are dumb. Is this an act?

I can't believe you waited for this. What do you think the thread was about?


swedent
denmark
norway
finland
france
germany
netherlands
canada
switzerland
austria
new zealand



Where's your list of successful democratic rightwing countries?

everyone one of these countries have a "RIGHT WING" balancing their LEFT WING,and they all are having social problems....and what is your meaning of A SUCCESSFUL society?

 

[Harry Dresden]

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

you must listen to a lot of rush limbaugh, because I can't believe you are so poorly informed.

As far as I'm aware, all single payer universal systems in all developed countries cover pre-existing conditions.

you know what RD...your an asshole....every fucking person that disagrees with your BS must listen to the fat guy or your a NEO-CON....a couple of your FUCKING leftist buddies in the other thread about this subject....DISAGREE with ya RD....i guess they listen to Rush to....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Evidently not, if you've been paying attention to recent history

And which of those crashes were the FAA's fault? They can't exactly prevent everything, but they do a damn good job.



Yes, Republicans have tried to abuse the power constantly, but overall it is still an effective organization.

You leave in your own little world, don't you?

/pat you.

How many sealybobo's can one message board take? The Republicans this ... the Republicans that ... blah, blah, fucking blah.

yea and if you disagree with em....you obviously listen to Rush.....like they all do....

 

[Agnapostate]

Socialist nations have the happiest people because they don't have to think for themselves. They've got Big Brother to tell them what to think.

Obviously, it won't work for anyone that believes in thinking and doing for themselves.

Apart from social democratic capitalism not being "socialist" in nature, a distinction needs to be made between different varieties of "government intervention." It seems clear that Scandinavian "government intervention" is of a nature far different than government censorship, for instance, since its nature involves public welfare provision rather than some authoritarian imposition.

Er..shouldn't it be "Socialist nations" instead of "socialistic"?

I mean...it's "communist" nations...not communistic....wouldn't that be the rule for socialist nations as well????

If not, it should.

Considering that social democratic capitalism is not "socialist" in nature (socialism necessitates the collective ownership of the means of production), and that no nation-state has ever been "communist" (since even Marxist conceptions of communism involve a stateless, classless society), neither label is appropriate.

And boob boy, those poor workers who don't like their bosses can always quit and start their own businesses...where they will treat their own employees like royalty, I'm sure.

We all know what fine, upstanding men the early teamsters were!

A similarly poor analysis. Considering the role of intergenerational transfers in aggregate capital accumulation and the limited social mobility that is the norm in the U.S., as well as various other factors, the realities of market concentration will prevent the quick and easy establishment of worker-owned firms. John Stuart Mill makes the point well in a letter.

Sir, I beg to enclose a subscription of [10 pounds] to aid, as far as such a sum can do it, in the struggle which the Co-operative Plate-Lock Makers of Wolverhampton are maintaining against unfair competition on the part of the masters in the trade. Against fair competition I have no desire to shield them. Co-operative production carried on by persons whose hearts are in the cause, and who are capable of the energy and self-denial always necessary in its early stages, ought to be able to hold its ground against private establishments and persons who have not those qualities had better not attempt it.

But to carry on business at a loss in order to ruin competitors is not fair competition. In such a contest, if prolonged, the competitors who have the smallest means, though they may have every other element of success, must necessarily be crushed through no fault of their own. Having the strongest sympathy with your vigorous attempt to make head against what in such a case may justly be called the tyranny of capital, I beg you to send me a dozen copies of your printed appeal, to assist me in making the case known to such persons as it may interest in your favour.

It's thus the case that the existence of more established capitalist firms, along with their access to an exceedingly greater amount of capital and resources, plays a role in preventing the development of worker-owned enterprises, regardless of the ability of the latter to utilize their own resources more efficiently (and effectively), than the capitalist firm. The role of inequivalent access to productive resources and financial capital prevents the worker-owned enterprises from engaging in fair competition with capitalist firms. This simply scores to illustrate Vanek's point that "[t]he capitalist economy is not a true market economy because in western capitalism, as in Soviet state capitalism, there is a tendency towards monopoly. Economic democracy tends toward a competitive market." The consolidation of the private ownership of the means of production by the financial class prevents fair market competition and maximization of efficiency.

 

[Red Dawn]

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

god damn you are dumb. Is this an act?

I can't believe you waited for this. What do you think the thread was about?


swedent
denmark
norway
finland
france
germany
netherlands
canada
switzerland
austria
new zealand



Where's your list of successful democratic rightwing countries?

everyone one of these countries have a "RIGHT WING" balancing their LEFT WING,and they all are having social problems....and what is your meaning of A SUCCESSFUL society?

Utter and complete bullshit spin!!

If Sweden was the 51st state, you would be calling them the most leftwing, liberal state in the nation BY FAR.



We all know what a prosperous and successful democratic nation is. Its self evident. Please don't divert the thread.

And please answer the question.

Give me some examples of developed, prosperous democratic nations that follow the tenets of your rightwing republican conservative ideology.


I'll check back

 

[Red Dawn]

wait, i think I finally found a country that actually employs the rightwing republican principles of deregulation, and small government.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0[/ame]

 

[Old Rocks]

yeah time for the anti-american pussies like you to take over.

Who's the pussy?

The guy who risks his job and goes on strike when he sees his CEO is making $20 million a year while the company is asking him to take a pay cut.

Or pussies like YOU who just take the pay cut.

It is people like you who is ruining what makes America great. What makes America great? A strong middle class, that's what.

It wasn't free markets that gave our country such a strong middle class.

And so while you call me anti American, you are the one who is actually anti American. You just don't know it because you are a fucking retard.

you and chrissie should move to cuba until castro dies. you yellow piece of shit.

Oh my, Elvis is showing his class again.

 

[elvis]

Who's the pussy?

The guy who risks his job and goes on strike when he sees his CEO is making $20 million a year while the company is asking him to take a pay cut.

Or pussies like YOU who just take the pay cut.

It is people like you who is ruining what makes America great. What makes America great? A strong middle class, that's what.

It wasn't free markets that gave our country such a strong middle class.

And so while you call me anti American, you are the one who is actually anti American. You just don't know it because you are a fucking retard.

you and chrissie should move to cuba until castro dies. you yellow piece of shit.

Oh my, Elvis is showing his class again.

Leave it to Old Cock to defend the poster who says "God damn america". Why don't you join them, faggot?

 

[Chris]

Who's the pussy?

The guy who risks his job and goes on strike when he sees his CEO is making $20 million a year while the company is asking him to take a pay cut.

Or pussies like YOU who just take the pay cut.

It is people like you who is ruining what makes America great. What makes America great? A strong middle class, that's what.

It wasn't free markets that gave our country such a strong middle class.

And so while you call me anti American, you are the one who is actually anti American. You just don't know it because you are a fucking retard.

you and chrissie should move to cuba until castro dies. you yellow piece of shit.

Oh my, Elvis is showing his class again.

He really is one sick fuck.

 

[elvis]

you and chrissie should move to cuba until castro dies. you yellow piece of shit.

Oh my, Elvis is showing his class again.

He really is one sick fuck.

I'm not the one who would just as soon piss in a veteran's face as give him the respect he deserves, you parasitic piece of shit.

 

[Chris]

Oh my, Elvis is showing his class again.

He really is one sick fuck.

I'm not the one who would just as soon piss in a veteran's face as give him the respect he deserves, you parasitic piece of shit.

Thanks for proving my point.