Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

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    World's Happiest Places

    I find this study very interesting. I've always been a free market capitalist, but find myself wondering if America's emphasis on work, above all else, is really working for us, or healthy.

    Is work more important than life? Or do these northern European countries know something we don't? Have they learned to balance work and life in a way that we haven't?

    I think the question we have to ask ourselves, as a country is: "Is the American way of life working for the vast majority of Americans?" I'm not sure, and I don't have any answers, but thought I'd share.
     
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    And you find people who say that poor people are the happiest people...

    Don't mean I want to strive to be poor or be in a country that strives towards socialism
     
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    Do you have a response that results from actually reading the article in question, or are meaningless platitudes all we can expect from you?

    We hear, repeatedly, how socialism = bad. It's practically modern American dogma. But, it appears to me that those countries simultaneously have some of the HIGHEST productivity levels AND the highest happiness levels. So, the standard response that socialism kills personal motivation appears to be false.

    Maybe, people can be MORE productive when they aren't walking around with a toothache or in chronic pain because they can't afford health or dental care? It's a thought I am having more often these days, spending most of my time working with poor people.
     
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    It's a freaking article... not the law of God or a 100% accurate piece of research

    My response.. I enjoy the positives and negatives of my freedom more than I enjoy thinking that others exist to take care of personal responsibilities of those who don't take care of themselves
     
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    American is currently flummoxed by a myth that we've taken to heart.

    The myth of the almightly individual.

    Now it is very convenient for those on top of the heap to keep driving that myth into the zietgiest since by doing so, they insure that people don't get together and take down the ediface of lies that keep so many of us fearful.

    Up here in this neck of the woods of Maine, I can take you to people who live on welfare who vote Republican and who swear that unions are the worst thing in the world even though most of them have never been involved with a union and few of them have ever worked for anything but minimum wage.

    Such confused thinking is, I think typical of a people who have been fed complete nonsense by the media.

    Most of these types have thousands of dollars worth of guns which they are sure they're going to need when the BLACK uprising happens and all those urban minorities (who are also all collectivists) come to Waldo county to steal their doublewides and rape their (second fattest in the USA) women.

    If their confused attitude wasn't so tragically ignorant, and wasn't making them into perfect tools for the people who have nothing but contempt for them, it'd actually be funny.
     
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    Socialism is NOT a place with only poor people. I lived in Europe and saw many people with plenty of money, but of course someone tries to make it out to be this awful thing and then the idiots in this country believe you.

    And btw, no Socialist country has nearly the amount of poor people we do
     
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    I sure wouldn't call myself a socialist, but my interpretation of the clause in the preamble "promote the general welfare" is for government to attempt to do the most good for the most people. If it caters only to the self interests of a select social class, it fails in this regard, and if the perception exists within a society that the odds are stacked in favor of the elites, then many people will run around with a chip on their shoulder even if they are relatively well off compared to the most impoverished people of the world. It isn't wealth per se, but the distribution of such that is at the heart of why Americans are not up there with the Danes and Swedes and whatnot.

    I'm a firm believer in a strong and vibrant middle class, and the economic trends in this country have been away from such ever since Reagan's voodoo economics. I think if we could ever get back to the ethos where we sought to build a more vibrant middle class and gave people more of a stake in their lives, I think we would see happiness levels increase. A good start might be to support small business. In 1960, people shopped at their local grocer, pharmacy or hardware store and the people running these businesses had, not only a stake in their lives, but a stake in their community. Today, people shop at walmart or Home depot, and the grunts working at these places have neither. If government could assume the role of helping to level the playing field insted of being inthe hip pocket of big business, I think the general level of happiness would increase.
     
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    Perfect example,, We want dental care just like Great Britain has don't we? Can't fucking wait! :lol::lol:
     
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    Promote the general welfare does not go towards promoting or entitling more of the individual wants and needs of the most people.. it promotes the general welfare of a populous as a whole.. we were set up to have the personal freedoms to succeed or fail by our own merits, and securing those personal freedoms as a country... you ensure everyone has the liberty to operate to provide for themselves, not ensuring that you squelch the freedoms of some to take care of the personal needs of others by an all controlling government
     
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    "Promote the general welfare" means whatever those in charge says it means.

    That's why selecting the people in charge is so damned important and why how we fund the campaigns of those running for office is so damned important, too.

    What we have now virtually assures us that both parties are going to define the general welfare as that which benefits those who support their poltical careers and beyond.
     

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