Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

[JBeukema]

Look at how the Fed handles everything else. Only and idiot would want them handling their medical decisions

 

[Gurdari]

Rediculous partisan rantings removed.

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

Isn't most of northern Europe as you describe? High literacy, low crime, high tax, high education, lots of vacation, healthy, peaceful...

I mean that link someone posted here about World ranking shas this in the top 15 for quality of life:


1 Norway
2 Sweden
3
4 Belgium
5
6
7 Iceland
8 Netherlands
9
10 Finland
11 Switzerland
12 France
13 UK
14 Denmark
15 Austria


Now, they don't all have the same governments or tax systems or whatever, but they trend to the social democratic side with strong national programs, (excepting poor Britain during Thatcher's evisceration of public assets)

 

[Iriemon]

Look at how the Fed handles everything else. Only and idiot would want them handling their medical decisions

Is someone really arguing that the Fed should handle health care? Who's saying that?

 

[Gurdari]

Drive up quality while driving down the price? Are you kidding? HERE? What we'll get is even more mediocrity when you take away the incentive to excel. That's common sense the socialized medicine bunch refuses to address.

So, are national, socialized programs creating mediocrity? Without the incentive to excel, you seem to imply comes from the competition of the free market?


That would imply a cause and effect relationship to anything handled in that way.
Like the Armed Forces, public education, policing...

 

[elvis]

So far it's USA: 5, Europe: 1

Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Otto von Bismarck, Ho Chi Minh, There its tied. Happy now?

No. Nobody sucked up to Mussolinie, Wilhelm was a monarchy, and the French hated Ho Chi Minh...terrible examples

the examples you gave paled in comparison to Hitler. so no matter what, it isn't tied. none of the dictators were a threat to the US.
the French got their asses handed to them in Vietnam. Maybe the lesson we should have learned from Vietnam is to stop rescuing the French.

 

[Gurdari]

Look at how the Fed handles everything else. Only and idiot would want them handling their medical decisions

Is someone really arguing that the Fed should handle health care? Who's saying that?

What does the Fed handle at the moment? Only smaller, simpler things than health care?

 

[Iriemon]

Look at how the Fed handles everything else. Only and idiot would want them handling their medical decisions

Is someone really arguing that the Fed should handle health care? Who's saying that?

What does the Fed handle at the moment? Only smaller, simpler things than health care?

The money supply mostly. You were arguing against the Fed being involved in heath care. I've never heard anyone suggest such a thing, so I was wondering what you are arguing about.

 

[JBeukema]

What does the Fed handle at the moment? Only smaller, simpler things than health care?

Money supply, social security, the tax code...

name one thing they're doing right

 

[Nik]

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

Asked and Answered - denying coverage for "pre-existing condition" will be illegal under the Obama plan.

You seem to be confused though, there is no universal system on the table. Obama is proposing a very weak patchwork of policies that is nothing for conservatives to be afraid of, he's probably also going to cave in on the public plan option, meaning that there will be no real competition to drive up the quality and drive down the price of the private plans. Consider how it works in education. Everyone has a baseline. The only reason you'd want a private school is if they're offering something better. They have to work very hard to earn a students tuition, and in doing so they are constantly playing a check and balance game against the public system. Without that public option in healthcare all he's really doing is throwing money into the already bloated health care CEOs' paycheck.

Drive up quality while driving down the price? Are you kidding? HERE? What we'll get is even more mediocrity when you take away the incentive to excel. That's common sense the socialized medicine bunch refuses to address.

We'll end up with the same thing we already have in our government. The REAL thinkers want no part of it. Lots of blame for little return.

And where exactly is the incentive to excel in public health? Where are the insurance companies that are competing with each other to lower rates? Where are the insurance companies competing with each other to provide more and more coverage?

 

[Nik]

What does the Fed handle at the moment? Only smaller, simpler things than health care?

Money supply, social security, the tax code...

name one thing they're doing right

FAA works pretty well. As does the FBI and IRS.

 

[JBeukema]

FAA works pretty well.

Evidently not, if you've been paying attention to recent history

As does the FBI

You men the American Stazi? Do you KNOW the history of the FBI?

and IRS.

You leave in your own little world, don't you?

 

[Nik]

FAA works pretty well.

Evidently not, if you've been paying attention to recent history

And which of those crashes were the FAA's fault? They can't exactly prevent everything, but they do a damn good job.

As does the FBI

You men the American Stazi? Do you KNOW the history of the FBI?

Yes, Republicans have tried to abuse the power constantly, but overall it is still an effective organization.

and IRS.

You leave in your own little world, don't you?

/pat you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Look at how the Fed handles everything else. Only and idiot would want them handling their medical decisions

Is someone really arguing that the Fed should handle health care? Who's saying that?

some people give that impression.....so who will run it?

 

[Harry Dresden]

And where exactly is the incentive to excel in public health? Where are the insurance companies that are competing with each other to lower rates? Where are the insurance companies competing with each other to provide more and more coverage?

my wife is an epileptic,had uncontrolled seizures, Kaiser turned down EVERY test her doctor wanted to run to find out why and to see what can be done....so it was goodby shithole Kaiser......went to Blue Shield,they covered EVERY test her new Neurologist wanted without ANY interference.....so here we have two private ins. providers....one exceled compared to another...why?....i thought this kind of thing does not happen.....

 

[Red Dawn]

Rediculous partisan rantings removed.

Still waiting Francis, what was that one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of leftwing democratic ideology.

Well?

god damn you are dumb. Is this an act?

I can't believe you waited for this. What do you think the thread was about?


swedent
denmark
norway
finland
france
germany
netherlands
canada
switzerland
austria
new zealand



Where's your list of successful democratic rightwing countries?

 

[Red Dawn]

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

you must listen to a lot of rush limbaugh, because I can't believe you are so poorly informed.

As far as I'm aware, all single payer universal systems in all developed countries cover pre-existing conditions.

 

[Dr Grump]

so no country in Europe has ever coddled a dictator in the past or now?....i just wanna get this straight Grump before i have a good laugh....

No, that's not what I'm saying. Read the thread...it ain't that hard to follow..

 

[JBeukema]

swedent
denmark
norway
finland
france
germany
netherlands
canada
switzerland
austria
new zealand

Which one of those is supporting 109 Million non-tax-paying parasites?

 

[mightypeon]

Where did you get that 109 million number from?

 

[JBeukema]

Where did you get that 109 million number from?

With an estimated population of 109 million, it is the 11th most populous country

Although I suppose we should subtract the cartels...