Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

[Red Dawn]

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

He said he works, and pays for insurance out of his pocket.

 

[Seraega]

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

 

[Chris]

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

Silly man.

I pay for my healthcare out of my pocket, and I pay for Medicare with my taxes.

Nice try, though.

until you need surgery and run out of money, then the taxpayers bail out your lazy ass.

So you want me to join a group that pools its money to pay from healthcare for all its members.

Socialist!

 

[Red Dawn]

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

 

[Dr Grump]

Germany wasn't America's problem. She was Europe's If the French had marched into Rheinland when Hitler violated Versailles, Hitler would have had to withdraw. Instead she did nothing and got conquered in three weeks, and by some miracle, Hitler didn't slaughter the Brits at Dunquerque. In comes the US and rescues France once again.

we got involved in Vietnam to bail out who? The French AGAIN.

Japan wasn't Britain or Oz problem, but they still got involved...

Everybody helped out in Europe, including the US

 

[Dr Grump]

no, chrissie the commie said we should LEARN from Europe. I was disputing that. and take your condescending attitude and shove it up your Euro ass.

You can dispute it all you like, but if you are thinking the rest of the world should learn from the US, you'd also be on the wrong track...and I ain't from Europe..

 

[Dr Grump]

like Hitler.

So far it's USA: 5, Europe: 1

Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Otto von Bismarck, Ho Chi Minh, There its tied. Happy now?

No. Nobody sucked up to Mussolinie, Wilhelm was a monarchy, and the French hated Ho Chi Minh...terrible examples

 

[Dr Grump]

geezus grump i thought you had a little more on the ball,a little more going for ya....guess not.... so now you are going to tell us the the countries of Europe DONT coddle dictators then or now?.....

Geezus Harry, if you followed that convo that is exactly what I am saying to The King. Do try and keep up...

 

[Harry Dresden]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

give us an example of a leftwing ideology.... thats successful....

Ever other Western democracy has universal healthcare, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Chris quite dancing around the question.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

 

[Harry Dresden]

geezus grump i thought you had a little more on the ball,a little more going for ya....guess not.... so now you are going to tell us the the countries of Europe DONT coddle dictators then or now?.....

Geezus Harry, if you followed that convo that is exactly what I am saying to The King. Do try and keep up...

so no country in Europe has ever coddled a dictator in the past or now?....i just wanna get this straight Grump before i have a good laugh....

 

[Seraega]

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

Asked and Answered - denying coverage for "pre-existing condition" will be illegal under the Obama plan.

You seem to be confused though, there is no universal system on the table. Obama is proposing a very weak patchwork of policies that is nothing for conservatives to be afraid of, he's probably also going to cave in on the public plan option, meaning that there will be no real competition to drive up the quality and drive down the price of the private plans. Consider how it works in education. Everyone has a baseline. The only reason you'd want a private school is if they're offering something better. They have to work very hard to earn a students tuition, and in doing so they are constantly playing a check and balance game against the public system. Without that public option in healthcare all he's really doing is throwing money into the already bloated health care CEOs' paycheck.

 

[Gunny]

World's Happiest Places

I find this study very interesting. I've always been a free market capitalist, but find myself wondering if America's emphasis on work, above all else, is really working for us, or healthy.

Is work more important than life? Or do these northern European countries know something we don't? Have they learned to balance work and life in a way that we haven't?

I think the question we have to ask ourselves, as a country is: "Is the American way of life working for the vast majority of Americans?" I'm not sure, and I don't have any answers, but thought I'd share.

Socialist nations have the happiest people because they don't have to think for themselves. They've got Big Brother to tell them what to think.

Obviously, it won't work for anyone that believes in thinking and doing for themselves.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Asked and Answered - denying coverage for "pre-existing condition" will be illegal under the Obama plan.

You seem to be confused though, there is no universal system on the table. Obama is proposing a very weak patchwork of policies that is nothing for conservatives to be afraid of, he's probably also going to cave in on the public plan option, meaning that there will be no real competition to drive up the quality and drive down the price of the private plans. Consider how it works in education. Everyone has a baseline. The only reason you'd want a private school is if they're offering something better. They have to work very hard to earn a students tuition, and in doing so they are constantly playing a check and balance game against the public system. Without that public option in healthcare all he's really doing is throwing money into the already bloated health care CEOs' paycheck.

ok because over in the other thread there are 2 people over there saying they can.....and they are saying that they will be able to pick and choose which diseases they deem affordable to cover.....just checkin.....

 

[Gunny]

Germany wasn't America's problem. She was Europe's If the French had marched into Rheinland when Hitler violated Versailles, Hitler would have had to withdraw. Instead she did nothing and got conquered in three weeks, and by some miracle, Hitler didn't slaughter the Brits at Dunquerque. In comes the US and rescues France once again.

we got involved in Vietnam to bail out who? The French AGAIN.

Japan wasn't Britain or Oz problem, but they still got involved...

Everybody helped out in Europe, including the US

Japan was VERY much Australia's problem, as it was a problem to the British colonial empire.

 

[Gunny]

man, buying healthcare on the free market is a nightmare. You're lucky you don't have a pre-existing condition, other wise our wonderful free market healthcare system would blow you off.


Jesus, no wonder rightiwng members of congress never volunteer to give up their government financed healthcare, in favor of shopping around for an individual policy.

will they be able to blow you off in this universal system?.....for instance a guy has a serious existing condition,will he be covered?

Asked and Answered - denying coverage for "pre-existing condition" will be illegal under the Obama plan.

You seem to be confused though, there is no universal system on the table. Obama is proposing a very weak patchwork of policies that is nothing for conservatives to be afraid of, he's probably also going to cave in on the public plan option, meaning that there will be no real competition to drive up the quality and drive down the price of the private plans. Consider how it works in education. Everyone has a baseline. The only reason you'd want a private school is if they're offering something better. They have to work very hard to earn a students tuition, and in doing so they are constantly playing a check and balance game against the public system. Without that public option in healthcare all he's really doing is throwing money into the already bloated health care CEOs' paycheck.

Drive up quality while driving down the price? Are you kidding? HERE? What we'll get is even more mediocrity when you take away the incentive to excel. That's common sense the socialized medicine bunch refuses to address.

We'll end up with the same thing we already have in our government. The REAL thinkers want no part of it. Lots of blame for little return.

 

[elvis]

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

Tough talk... do you know that coverage for an individual in NY starts at about $510 per person per month. Take an average family of 4... yeah - you tell me who's got 2k a month just sitting around to pay for health insurance. THAT is the problem. If it was more reasonable like car insurance then I would agree that it'd be an easy fix, just make it mandatory and everyone can pay their $100 a month for coverage... but until the prices come WAY down that personal responsibility crap is just that.... crap.

chris has stated in the past that he does NOT buy insurance because he doesn't believe in it, not because he can't afford it.
The comment was directed at Chris, no one else.

 

[elvis]

no, chrissie the commie said we should LEARN from Europe. I was disputing that. and take your condescending attitude and shove it up your Euro ass.

You can dispute it all you like, but if you are thinking the rest of the world should learn from the US, you'd also be on the wrong track...and I ain't from Europe..

I never made that claim. chrissie made the claim WE should learn from europe.

 

[elvis]

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)

He said he works, and pays for insurance out of his pocket.

no, he said he said he pays the whole bill out of his pocket. He said he didn't need it because he's "perfectly healthy". he has said in other forums that he doesn't believe in health insurance, therefore he won't purchase it.

 

[elvis]

According to the OECD, the US is the 6th most indebted nation of the 28 nations in the OECD.

hmmmm.....every rightwing talking point has collapsed.

They really were clinging to that canard that the europeans had MUCH more debt than we did, weren't they.

Why, its almost as if the rightwing blogs they read, just routinely lie to them and make shit up out of whole cloth!

Europe does a lot of things well, and we can learn from them.

Over the past 15 years, Europe has enjoyed a CONSISTENT unemployment rate in double digits.
How? Because their social programs hamper business.