Socialistic Nations = Happiest People

[elvis]

all western powers have coddled dictators including the US.

Its a desparate attempt to divert the thread.


This is 2009, not 1939.


I'm still waiting to hear one single, solitary example of a successful, prosperous developed democratic nation that follows the tenets of rightwing republican ideology.

the rest of the rightwing attempts to explain away the general stability and life quality in liberal social democratic nations have ended in hilarious failure. Especially the dude who said the europeans had incurred "much' more debt than we had

give us an example of a leftwing ideology.... thats successful....

Ever other Western democracy has universal healthcare, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Then why don't you move there?

 

[Chris]

give us an example of a leftwing ideology.... thats successful....

Ever other Western democracy has universal healthcare, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Then why don't you move there?

Move where?

 

[elvis]

Ever other Western democracy has universal healthcare, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Then why don't you move there?

Move where?

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

 

[Chris]

Then why don't you move there?

Move where?

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

 

[elvis]

Move where?

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

so when you break your arm, what happens?

 

[Chris]

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

so when you break your arm, what happens?

I have never broken anything.

 

[elvis]

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

so when you break your arm, what happens?

I have never broken anything.

I hadn't broken anything until I turned 32, chris.

 

[Tech_Esq]

American is currently flummoxed by a myth that we've taken to heart.

The myth of the almightly individual.

Now it is very convenient for those on top of the heap to keep driving that myth into the zietgiest since by doing so, they insure that people don't get together and take down the ediface of lies that keep so many of us fearful.

Up here in this neck of the woods of Maine, I can take you to people who live on welfare who vote Republican and who swear that unions are the worst thing in the world even though most of them have never been involved with a union and few of them have ever worked for anything but minimum wage.

Such confused thinking is, I think typical of a people who have been fed complete nonsense by the media.

Most of these types have thousands of dollars worth of guns which they are sure they're going to need when the BLACK uprising happens and all those urban minorities (who are also all collectivists) come to Waldo county to steal their doublewides and rape their (second fattest in the USA) women.

If their confused attitude wasn't so tragically ignorant, and wasn't making them into perfect tools for the people who have nothing but contempt for them, it'd actually be funny.

Interestingly, at least to me, I was reading Obama's buddy Cass Sunstein's book Nudge recently. I wanted to taste the Kool-aid from the other side.

Basically, it boils down to this: You people are too stupid to run your own lives. The choices in the real world are far too complex for you to grasp. It isn't your fault you're so dumb, it's just that system is stacked against you. Every industry is created by people wholly occupied with getting your dollar, so the idea that you could actually come out a winner in any transaction with these providers of necessities and desires is extremely minimal. You are simply out classed.

Having said that, what would work is if this playing field was modified a little. You need someone that knows a lot about all of these things you need to look at them for you and pick out a few that actually make sense and provide you with a more limited, but safer array of products and services. That way you can't hurt yourself you dumb little imbecile.

I haven't finished the book so maybe there is another message buried in there, but it looks like we're all bound for the short bus and the scissors that are blunt pointed and not too sharp.

Thanks for the offer Edi....but I'll pass. You let them run your life if you think you're too dumb to do it yourself. That would be my observation of you, but I guess that's what you want.

LOL. A Conservative talking about people too dumb to run things? What about the last eight years? Your bunch ran things with such incompetance that we have had a major attack on the US, with the instigator of that attack getting away scot free. We have two failed wars, one started on the basis of lies. And an economic debacle that is still threatoning to create the Second Great Republican Depression.

Of course, you just cannot understand why the voters rewarded you with the soundest drubbing that the Republican Party has received since 1932. For the very same reasons.

Hey ROCKS for brains....why don't you take a reading comprehension class and then re-read my post. I was posting what's in Cass Sunstein's book. That is a synopsis of his thoughts, not mine.

I come down on the other side. I think people are smart enough to do their own business. It's your side that think people are too dumb. So, are you trying to say you agree with me and not Sunstein or are you completely and utterly flummoxed at this point and have no idea what to think (Which I think support's Sunstein's theory).

 

[Tech_Esq]

Move where?

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

Good, then what do you care? And you are the statistic that Obama is whining about the 46 million uninsured. You say you don't need it, he says you're getting it whether you need it or not.

Sit down, shut up. We'll tell you what is good for you. "We're from the government and we're here to help."

 

[auditor0007]

Move where?

To one of the democracies that provide universal health care so you don't have to work for it?

I don't have health insurance.

I don't need it. I'm perfectly healthy.

And when you become sick and need it, you won't be able to get it, and then you will cry about how unfair it is. You and those like you are the reason health insurance is so expensive to begin with. But you want national health insurance because you think it's free, yet it is not. We all would pay for it.

Do you own a home Chris? Since there is no fire, you don't need home owners insurance to cover fires, do you? Since there is no rain, you don't need flood insurance either. You have proven your intellect all to well.

 

[auditor0007]

Interestingly, at least to me, I was reading Obama's buddy Cass Sunstein's book Nudge recently. I wanted to taste the Kool-aid from the other side.

Basically, it boils down to this: You people are too stupid to run your own lives. The choices in the real world are far too complex for you to grasp. It isn't your fault you're so dumb, it's just that system is stacked against you. Every industry is created by people wholly occupied with getting your dollar, so the idea that you could actually come out a winner in any transaction with these providers of necessities and desires is extremely minimal. You are simply out classed.

Having said that, what would work is if this playing field was modified a little. You need someone that knows a lot about all of these things you need to look at them for you and pick out a few that actually make sense and provide you with a more limited, but safer array of products and services. That way you can't hurt yourself you dumb little imbecile.

I haven't finished the book so maybe there is another message buried in there, but it looks like we're all bound for the short bus and the scissors that are blunt pointed and not too sharp.

Thanks for the offer Edi....but I'll pass. You let them run your life if you think you're too dumb to do it yourself. That would be my observation of you, but I guess that's what you want.

LOL. A Conservative talking about people too dumb to run things? What about the last eight years? Your bunch ran things with such incompetance that we have had a major attack on the US, with the instigator of that attack getting away scot free. We have two failed wars, one started on the basis of lies. And an economic debacle that is still threatoning to create the Second Great Republican Depression.

Of course, you just cannot understand why the voters rewarded you with the soundest drubbing that the Republican Party has received since 1932. For the very same reasons.

Hey ROCKS for brains....why don't you take a reading comprehension class and then re-read my post. I was posting what's in Cass Sunstein's book. That is a synopsis of his thoughts, not mine.

I come down on the other side. I think people are smart enough to do their own business. It's your side that think people are too dumb. So, are you trying to say you agree with me and not Sunstein or are you completely and utterly flummoxed at this point and have no idea what to think (Which I think support's Sunstein's theory).

Apparently, in Chris' case, he is not intelligent enough to grasp the complex idea that he should have health insurance in case he gets sick. So he does need the government to make that decision for him.

 

[Chris]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

 

[Iriemon]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

We actually do have a partial universal health care system with medicare. The over 65 group are by far the most expensive medically. So we're just talking about expanding (and hopefully improving) a system we already have.

 

[elvis]

American is currently flummoxed by a myth that we've taken to heart.

The myth of the almightly individual.

Now it is very convenient for those on top of the heap to keep driving that myth into the zietgiest since by doing so, they insure that people don't get together and take down the ediface of lies that keep so many of us fearful.

Up here in this neck of the woods of Maine, I can take you to people who live on welfare who vote Republican and who swear that unions are the worst thing in the world even though most of them have never been involved with a union and few of them have ever worked for anything but minimum wage.

Such confused thinking is, I think typical of a people who have been fed complete nonsense by the media.

Most of these types have thousands of dollars worth of guns which they are sure they're going to need when the BLACK uprising happens and all those urban minorities (who are also all collectivists) come to Waldo county to steal their doublewides and rape their (second fattest in the USA) women.

If their confused attitude wasn't so tragically ignorant, and wasn't making them into perfect tools for the people who have nothing but contempt for them, it'd actually be funny.

Interestingly, at least to me, I was reading Obama's buddy Cass Sunstein's book Nudge recently. I wanted to taste the Kool-aid from the other side.

Basically, it boils down to this: You people are too stupid to run your own lives. The choices in the real world are far too complex for you to grasp. It isn't your fault you're so dumb, it's just that system is stacked against you. Every industry is created by people wholly occupied with getting your dollar, so the idea that you could actually come out a winner in any transaction with these providers of necessities and desires is extremely minimal. You are simply out classed.

Having said that, what would work is if this playing field was modified a little. You need someone that knows a lot about all of these things you need to look at them for you and pick out a few that actually make sense and provide you with a more limited, but safer array of products and services. That way you can't hurt yourself you dumb little imbecile.

I haven't finished the book so maybe there is another message buried in there, but it looks like we're all bound for the short bus and the scissors that are blunt pointed and not too sharp.

Thanks for the offer Edi....but I'll pass. You let them run your life if you think you're too dumb to do it yourself. That would be my observation of you, but I guess that's what you want.

LOL. A Conservative talking about people too dumb to run things? What about the last eight years? Your bunch ran things with such incompetance that we have had a major attack on the US, with the instigator of that attack getting away scot free. We have two failed wars, one started on the basis of lies. And an economic debacle that is still threatoning to create the Second Great Republican Depression.

Of course, you just cannot understand why the voters rewarded you with the soundest drubbing that the Republican Party has received since 1932. For the very same reasons.

republican depression? remind us again fuckface, when did clinton, dodd, and emanuel become republicans?

Glass-Steagall? you know the act that was put in place in the 1930's? repealed under CLINTON.
Emanuel? sat on board of fannie mae.

you stupid fuck.

 

[Chris]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

We actually do have a partial universal health care system with medicare. The over 65 group are by far the most expensive medically. So we're just talking about expanding (and hopefully improving) a system we already have.

No partial about it.

No one can be turned away from an emergency room.

 

[elvis]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

 

[Chris]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

Silly man.

I pay for my healthcare out of my pocket, and I pay for Medicare with my taxes.

Nice try, though.

 

[elvis]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

Silly man.

I pay for my healthcare out of my pocket, and I pay for Medicare with my taxes.

Nice try, though.

until you need surgery and run out of money, then the taxpayers bail out your lazy ass.

 

[Red Dawn]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

 

[elvis]

I love the personal attacks. They show that you are devoid of ideas.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

It's fun to personally attack parasites. you freeloading piece of shit.

how is single payer universal healthcare "freeloading"? Everyone pays for it with taxes.

Are you aware of how it works? just curious.

He is a freeloader because we don't have a single payer system and he refuses to be responsible and insure himself. So if something happens, the taxpayers will pick up the bill (Medicaid)