So what if armed guards are placed in schools?

[georgephillip]

You think the millions of Americans that support the 2nd amendment (NRA and non NRA members) are concerned if companies in the firearm industry also lend their financial support to the cause?

Wake up.

I was thinking that millions of Americans might support a call for patriotic arms and ammunition manufacturers to pay the cost of keeping American schools safe from the excesses of their products.

Their products don't have excesses. They are inanmate. Are you having a cartoon overdose?

"But even a rough patch can’t change the fact that the guns and ammunition industry continues to thrive in the United States. This year, the industry is expected to rack up a steady $11.7 billion in sales and $993 million in profits, according to analysts at IBIS World. Gun makers churned out nearly six million guns last year — double the number that they did a decade ago."

How the U.S. gun industry became so lucrative

It could be argued those $993 million in profits were partially due to government covering the "transaction spillovers" like the one in Newtown a week ago.

"As the business practices known as Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) and sustainability mature and converge with the responsibilities of governments and citizens, the term 'collective responsibility' is beginning to be more widely used.

"Collective responsibility is widely applied in corporations, where the entire workforce is held responsible for failure to achieve corporate targets (for example, profit targets), irrespective of the performance of individuals or teams which may have achieved or overachieved within their area. Collective punishment, even including measures that actually further harm the prospect of achieving targets, is applied as a measure to 'teach' the workforce"

Do you think child targets deserve less protection than profit targets?

Collective responsibility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[eflatminor]

This Radical believes the NRA is a front for multi-million dollar for profit corporations whose products are misused regularly in this country.

So, you have nothing. No link, no evidence that the NRA gets federal funds or taxpayer dollars. So, you change your tune...now, they're just a 'front' for business. Again, the millions of supporters would disagree, but please, prove your statement.

If there's no reason why US taxpayers should have bailed out Wall Street banks, I don't see why taxpayers should pay to protect children from the externalities of gun and ammunition manufacturers.

By your reasoning, spoon manufacturers should be made to pay for the healthcare of obese people.

When a firearm gets up and kills someone, you let us know and we'll talk about those evil manufacturers.

By your reasoning multi-million dollar corporations funding the NRA have a right to expect the US taxpayers to pay for externalities generated by private pro-profit gun and ammunition makers. It seems likely those corporations funding the NRA do receive favorable tax treatment compared to the families of their numerous victims.

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

One more time Sherlock. Firearms and bullets do not kill, people do. There are no "externalities", corporate or otherwise. That won't change no matter how many times you repeat it.

Tell you what, you get spoon makers to foot the bill for Obamacare and we'll talk about taxing gun manufacturers for the actions of criminals.

 

[georgephillip]

"Collective responsibility is a concept or doctrine, according to which individuals are to be held responsible for other people's actions by tolerating, ignoring, or harboring them, without actively collaborating in these actions."

Tell you what, Shooter...when those individuals getting rich from $11 Billion in gun sales man-up and stop tolerating, ignoring, harboring, or facilitating their contribution$ to episodes of mass murder in the US, maybe we can get around to your spoon makers.

IMHO, private pro-profit insurance corporations bear more responsibility for the cost of health care in the land of 300 million guns.

Collective responsibility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JimH52]

So, you have nothing. No link, no evidence that the NRA gets federal funds or taxpayer dollars. So, you change your tune...now, they're just a 'front' for business. Again, the millions of supporters would disagree, but please, prove your statement.



By your reasoning, spoon manufacturers should be made to pay for the healthcare of obese people.

When a firearm gets up and kills someone, you let us know and we'll talk about those evil manufacturers.

By your reasoning multi-million dollar corporations funding the NRA have a right to expect the US taxpayers to pay for externalities generated by private pro-profit gun and ammunition makers. It seems likely those corporations funding the NRA do receive favorable tax treatment compared to the families of their numerous victims.

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

One more time Sherlock. Firearms and bullets do not kill, people do. There are no "externalities", corporate or otherwise. That won't change no matter how many times you repeat it.

Tell you what, you get spoon makers to foot the bill for Obamacare and we'll talk about taxing gun manufacturers for the actions of criminals.

You are still looking for a life. Sad...and a loser too.

 

[bripat9643]

By your reasoning multi-million dollar corporations funding the NRA have a right to expect the US taxpayers to pay for externalities generated by private pro-profit gun and ammunition makers. It seems likely those corporations funding the NRA do receive favorable tax treatment compared to the families of their numerous victims.

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

That isn't an "externality," numskull. Is the maker of cutlery on the hook for the medical bills if someone cuts himself? No, because that is what knifes are designed to do. You can't accuse a corporation of "externalities" because someone misuses their product. Perhaps hollywood movie studios should be charged for the "externalities" since they glorify violence. The list of possibly idiocies lefties can dream up to blame corporations is endless.

 

[bripat9643]

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

You're not very good at math, are you? A realistic estimate of legal gun ownership in the U.S. is 80 million. It's inane to think people who legally own guns (and have gone through the background checks to acquire them), don't support their own rights to own their guns.

Those 80 million have wives and children. So the number of people in gun owning families is closer to 240 million.

 

[bripat9643]

"Collective responsibility is a concept or doctrine, according to which individuals are to be held responsible for other people's actions by tolerating, ignoring, or harboring them, without actively collaborating in these actions."

"Collective responsibility" is a concept the Nazis invented to justify mass murder when they punished entire towns for the activities of the underground.

You just revealed yourself to be a supporter of Nazi doctrine to justify mass murder.

You must be so proud!

 

[yidnar]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

the armed guards are for protecting our children.if we had armed guards in our schools it would be a deterrent to those wanting to hurt the students . as adults the responsibility of first response is ours alone !! the police are rarely on site when the crime is taking place .

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well look who's back. Still waiting for a snappy come back in post #27...

Until then, it can "hurt" because no matter what you seek to ban or restrict, it will not keep crazy motherfuckers and criminals from having those items. Now why in the world would you actively seek to put law abiding citizens at a disadvantage against law breakers? That makes no sense.

p.s. It's a magazine, not a clip.

The National Enquirer is a magazine.

The detachable ammo holder for a weapon is either a magazine or clip.
sheesh...

Or a belt.

however, there is no such thing as a 100 round clip. There are 100 round magazines and belts however.

For those not familiar with the difference:

A clip:

Magazines:

A belt:

Interesting...................not only does USMB have grammar nazis to tell people how to spell, but we now have gun nazis telling everyone that if they don't use the correct terminology, they have no point.

Good to see the NRA still has their fanatics.

 

[georgephillip]

By your reasoning multi-million dollar corporations funding the NRA have a right to expect the US taxpayers to pay for externalities generated by private pro-profit gun and ammunition makers. It seems likely those corporations funding the NRA do receive favorable tax treatment compared to the families of their numerous victims.

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

That isn't an "externality," numskull. Is the maker of cutlery on the hook for the medical bills if someone cuts himself? No, because that is what knifes are designed to do. You can't accuse a corporation of "externalities" because someone misuses their product. Perhaps hollywood movie studios should be charged for the "externalities" since they glorify violence. The list of possibly idiocies lefties can dream up to blame corporations is endless.

"A negative externality (also called 'external cost' or 'external diseconomy') is an action of a product on consumers that imposes a negative side effect on a third party; it is 'social cost'".

When the NRA and the $11 billion/year gun and ammunition industry it fronts for continue to call for enhancing enforcement of currently existing gun laws while, hypocritically, lobbying hard to restrict the budget of the enforcement agency within the Justice Department,and even blocking confirmation of Obama's choice for director of ATF, they are inflicting a social cost that Newton just paid another installment on.

Proving once again that blind squirrels, broken clocks, and conservatives occasionally get one right, Hollywood gun pussies should be taxed for their mindless glorification of gun violence which contribute to the thousands of US lives snuffed out every year by.

Why do you suppose the US is the only industrialized country on this planet with this level of gun violence? Hint: there is a corporate component to any honest answer.

Externality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

You're not very good at math, are you? A realistic estimate of legal gun ownership in the U.S. is 80 million. It's inane to think people who legally own guns (and have gone through the background checks to acquire them), don't support their own rights to own their guns.

Those 80 million have wives and children. So the number of people in gun owning families is closer to 240 million.

4.3 million NRA members
311 million Americans.
NRA represents less than 2% of all Americans.

 

[Vel]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

Tell Obama and the Washington elite to disarm their schools before deciding that the rest of us should not have armed guards protecting OUR children.

School Obama's Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards

 

[eflatminor]

By your reasoning multi-million dollar corporations funding the NRA have a right to expect the US taxpayers to pay for externalities generated by private pro-profit gun and ammunition makers. It seems likely those corporations funding the NRA do receive favorable tax treatment compared to the families of their numerous victims.

Again, those "million of supporters" represent less than 2% of all Americans.
When the corporate externalities of 300 million guns trump the popular sovereignty of 300 million Americans, what will we have left to talk about?

One more time Sherlock. Firearms and bullets do not kill, people do. There are no "externalities", corporate or otherwise. That won't change no matter how many times you repeat it.

Tell you what, you get spoon makers to foot the bill for Obamacare and we'll talk about taxing gun manufacturers for the actions of criminals.

You are still looking for a life. Sad...and a loser too.

Again with the thorough and well thought out retort. Very impressive.

 

[bripat9643]

You're not very good at math, are you? A realistic estimate of legal gun ownership in the U.S. is 80 million. It's inane to think people who legally own guns (and have gone through the background checks to acquire them), don't support their own rights to own their guns.

Those 80 million have wives and children. So the number of people in gun owning families is closer to 240 million.

4.3 million NRA members
311 million Americans.
NRA represents less than 2% of all Americans.

You're the guy who just announced his support of the Nazi doctrine of "collective responsibility," used to justify mass murder. I don't think you're in any position to be commenting on what what the NRA supports.

 

[lukelk]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

There ya to again using your noggin...


But seriously,
Where does it stop? Do we have guards everywhere...? Or do we do the logical thing, IMHO, and let law abiding licensed folks protect themselves with a concealed weapon?

Yep, even a teacher if she so chooses.

do you want to turn into the congo, where peoople have to walk around with ak47s?

 

[eflatminor]

Collective responsibility...where do I find that in the Constitution? What collectivist nonsense.

When guns kill without a human operator, I'll join your crusade to sue the manufacturers. Until then, you're talking out your ass.

 

[GHook93]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

Fallacy of argumentation is what you are utilizing. FIRST, malls and churches are PRIVATE establishments. If they want armed guards (AND YES MANY OF THEM ALREADY HAVE THIS!!!), then they can pay for them and have them!!! Second, public schools are different, since they are public institutions and contain mostly young children. These places MUST be secured. Children should feel safe in their classrooms. All they should worry about is their grades. Do you really not see the difference between public schools and private business. Do you not see the difference people places with adults and places primarily made up of children?

I will use you same argument for disarming. If we create gun free zones as we do with schools, then why not make banks, court houses, police stations, the ACLU office (interesting point to this hypocrites is that they have metal detectors and armed guards at every one of their offices), sporting events (they are flooded with armed police officers), armored cars that pick up and deliver money, government buildings etc. gun free. All these places should be gun free, that way they will be safer!

 

[eflatminor]

The National Enquirer is a magazine.

The detachable ammo holder for a weapon is either a magazine or clip.
sheesh...

Or a belt.

however, there is no such thing as a 100 round clip. There are 100 round magazines and belts however.

For those not familiar with the difference:

A clip:

Magazines:

A belt:

Interesting...................not only does USMB have grammar nazis to tell people how to spell, but we now have gun nazis telling everyone that if they don't use the correct terminology, they have no point.

Good to see the NRA still has their fanatics.

While it's true you have no point, at least now you have no excuse for sounding so damn ignorant.

 

[GHook93]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

There ya to again using your noggin...


But seriously,
Where does it stop? Do we have guards everywhere...? Or do we do the logical thing, IMHO, and let law abiding licensed folks protect themselves with a concealed weapon?

Yep, even a teacher if she so chooses.

Best solution! Most schools that can afford armed guards already have security guards. I know my high-school had 3. Have them armed. Then allowed a few teachers to be armed. Set a high standard, gun operation certification, gun safety certification, mental health checks and a strict standard for storage (the finger print gun safe would suffice for example.

In schools that are rural and same (like the one in Texas) and can't afford security, should at least allow qualified teachers to carry!

Infidel, don't fall into the liberal disarmament argument of well if we do schools, then why not malls or movie theaters. Keep the argument SPECIFICALLY to schools as it should be and then argue the others if you want!

 

[Contumacious]

Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.

No sir.

They believe that those that are clinically depressed, neurotic, pacifists , and those who live in LaLa land should be exempted.

As always, Heil Hitler.

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