So what if armed guards are placed in schools?

Collective responsibility...where do I find that in the Constitution? What collectivist nonsense.

When guns kill without a human operator, I'll join your crusade to sue the manufacturers. Until then, you're talking out your ass.
"Collective responsibility is a concept or doctrine, according to which individuals are to be held responsible for other people's actions by tolerating, ignoring, or harboring them, without actively collaborating in these actions."

Corporations are collectives, as is the nation you live in and profit from.
Multi-billion dollar corporations earning hundreds of millions in profits from gun sales in the US Collective should be required to pay for the negative externalities their product produces.

Or maybe conservatives believe those costs should be paid by the victims of gun sales?

Collective responsibility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Collective responsibility...where do I find that in the Constitution? What collectivist nonsense.

When guns kill without a human operator, I'll join your crusade to sue the manufacturers. Until then, you're talking out your ass.

"Collective responsibility is a concept or doctrine, according to which individuals are to be held responsible for other people's actions by tolerating, ignoring, or harboring them, without actively collaborating in these actions."

Well, the NRA and its members are in fact collectively collaborating by preparing to deal with crazies and criminals that follow no regulations. That means we're armed and trained. You are collaborating in nothing. You are tolerating, ignoring and harboring the irresponsible actions of the criminals by seeking to prevent law abiding citizens from exercising their inalienable right to self defense.

Maybe you should follow your own advice???

Corporations are collectives, as is the nation you live in and profit from.

More Marxist nonsense.

Multi-billion dollar corporations earning hundreds of millions in profits from gun sales in the US Collective should be required to pay for the negative externalities their product produces.

They already have liability insurance for any of their products found to be defective. There are no externalitities from a firearm, a pencil or a spoon. There are from an individual with any product than can be used to hurt another.

Or maybe conservatives believe those costs should be paid by the victims of gun sales?

The criminal is the one to blame, not the company that made the firearm, the vehicle, the hammer, or whatever device was used to hurt another.

You're still talking out your ass. Good luck with that.
 
The "criminals" in this case include corporate parasites flooding the US with guns and ammunition while lobbying intensely to deny the Justice Department adequate funds to enforce gun laws.

Like it or not, you exist as part of a human collective:

"Collectivism is any philosophic, political, religious, economic, or social outlook that emphasizes the interdependence of every human being..."

You're apparently delusional enough to believe "rugged individualism" provides an adequate solution for what happened recently in Connecticut and is bound to happen again and again to any people, i.e., collective, that tolerates, ignores, and harbors those who profit from dead children.

It doesn't.
And only those with their heads buried up to their butts in the ideological sand can't see it.
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Those 80 million have wives and children. So the number of people in gun owning families is closer to 240 million.
4.3 million NRA members
311 million Americans.
NRA represents less than 2% of all Americans.

You're the guy who just announced his support of the Nazi doctrine of "collective responsibility," used to justify mass murder. I don't think you're in any position to be commenting on what what the NRA supports.
The Nazis didn't invent collective responsibility or genocide, Moron.
They did depend on right-wing loons like you to murder millions.
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure what your point is here george.... You do realize that corporatism (a form of government) is only tangentially related to incorporated businesses - and that the 'corporation' re: corporatism is a broader concept, right?

You're not falling back on the misconception that free marketeers support corporatism, are you?
 
Collective responsibility...where do I find that in the Constitution? What collectivist nonsense.

When guns kill without a human operator, I'll join your crusade to sue the manufacturers. Until then, you're talking out your ass.
"Collective responsibility is a concept or doctrine, according to which individuals are to be held responsible for other people's actions by tolerating, ignoring, or harboring them, without actively collaborating in these actions."

Corporations are collectives, as is the nation you live in and profit from.
Multi-billion dollar corporations earning hundreds of millions in profits from gun sales in the US Collective should be required to pay for the negative externalities their product produces.

Or maybe conservatives believe those costs should be paid by the victims of gun sales?

"Collective responsibility" is a concept invented by the Nazis to justify mass murder. It isn't any less despicable when it's used to justify persecuting innocent people to push your social agenda.

It's hard to believe you continue to push this despicable idiocy even after the origins of the doctrine have been explained to you.
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corporatism is for collectivists. Capitalism is for free people. We all know which you support.
 
Not sure what your point is here george.... You do realize that corporatism (a form of government) is only tangentially related to incorporated businesses - and that the 'corporation' re: corporatism is a broader concept, right?

You're not falling back on the misconception that free marketeers support corporatism, are you?

That's exactly the bullshit he's trying to push.
 
4.3 million NRA members
311 million Americans.
NRA represents less than 2% of all Americans.

You're the guy who just announced his support of the Nazi doctrine of "collective responsibility," used to justify mass murder. I don't think you're in any position to be commenting on what what the NRA supports.
The Nazis didn't invent collective responsibility or genocide, Moron.
They did depend on right-wing loons like you to murder millions.


Yes, they did, turd, and they certainly used it to justify mass murder. The Nazis were left-wingers who supported big government, just like you. They also believed in "collective responsibility," just like you.
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure what your point is here george.... You do realize that corporatism (a form of government) is only tangentially related to incorporated businesses - and that the 'corporation' re: corporatism is a broader concept, right?

You're not falling back on the misconception that free marketeers support corporatism, are you?
Are we discussing markets free of undue rentier influence or democratic regulation?
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure what your point is here george.... You do realize that corporatism (a form of government) is only tangentially related to incorporated businesses - and that the 'corporation' re: corporatism is a broader concept, right?

You're not falling back on the misconception that free marketeers support corporatism, are you?
Are we discussing markets free of undue rentier influence or democratic regulation?

We can discuss whatever you like. I was responding to the common conflation of "corporatism" with support of for free markets and limited government. They're the opposite, not the same thing. Government manipulation of the market is classic corporatism, and antithetical to capitalism and freedom.
 
You're the guy who just announced his support of the Nazi doctrine of "collective responsibility," used to justify mass murder. I don't think you're in any position to be commenting on what what the NRA supports.
The Nazis didn't invent collective responsibility or genocide, Moron.
They did depend on right-wing loons like you to murder millions.


Yes, they did, turd, and they certainly used it to justify mass murder. The Nazis were left-wingers who supported big government, just like you. They also believed in "collective responsibility," just like you.
Why did your hero murder the Communists, Cracker?

"...those killed were leaders of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the paramilitary brownshirts.

"Adolf Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because he saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power..."

"Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a 'second revolution' to redistribute wealth. (In Röhm's view Hitler's election had accomplished the "nationalistic" revolution but had left unfulfilled the 'socialistic' motive in National Socialism.)"

Hitler came to power because rich capitalists in Germany (including many Jews) thought he would be good for business. Authentic socialists saw Hitler for the tool of the rich he really was. (Not unlike your other hero, Money Mitt)

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Not sure what your point is here george.... You do realize that corporatism (a form of government) is only tangentially related to incorporated businesses - and that the 'corporation' re: corporatism is a broader concept, right?

You're not falling back on the misconception that free marketeers support corporatism, are you?
Are we discussing markets free of undue rentier influence or democratic regulation?

We can discuss whatever you like. I was responding to the common conflation of "corporatism" with support of for free markets and limited government. They're the opposite, not the same thing. Government manipulation of the market is classic corporatism, and antithetical to capitalism and freedom.
Db...I think I understand the distinctions you are making; however, I'm not too clear on how "corporatism", or capitalism for that matter, "is only tangentially related" to corporations in today's marketplace.
 
Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corporatism is for collectivists. Capitalism is for free people. We all know which you support.
Corporatism is for Wall Street and other assorted "takers."
Why don't you tell us who you support?
 
Are we discussing markets free of undue rentier influence or democratic regulation?

We can discuss whatever you like. I was responding to the common conflation of "corporatism" with support of for free markets and limited government. They're the opposite, not the same thing. Government manipulation of the market is classic corporatism, and antithetical to capitalism and freedom.
Db...I think I understand the distinctions you are making; however, I'm not too clear on how "corporatism", or capitalism for that matter, "is only tangentially related" to corporations in today's marketplace.

Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corporatism is for collectivists. Capitalism is for free people. We all know which you support.
Corporatism is for Wall Street and other assorted "takers."
Why don't you tell us who you support?

The 'corporation' under corporatism is any organized body vying for political influence. That can be an incorporated business, but it can also be unions, political parties, or any group that can be targeted for special favors or penalties.

Despite popular misconception, corporatism is not government that caters to business. It's government that eschews universal, individual rights in favor of group privilege. The groups receiving preferential treatment are, often, businesses or industry groups, so there is some overlap. But other groups also clamor for similar influence.

What distinguishes corporatism most glaringly from classic liberalism is its disdain for individual rights, not its attitude toward business. A corporatist state can be a tool of wealthy businesses (as ours often is) or a threat to their power (in the case of an ambitious socialist agenda). It's relatively neutral on the question of how much power private businesses should have. It is, however, committed to the idea that government should decide.
 
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Do you notice any interdependence between human beings (should any happen to exist where you live)?

How about corporations?

"Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights."

Does the corporate whole strike you as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, Shooter?

Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corporatism is for collectivists. Capitalism is for free people. We all know which you support.
Corporatism is for Wall Street and other assorted "takers."
Only if they have a partner in government dancing with them. Otherwise, they're just corporations competing in a free market.

Why don't you tell us who you support?
Free market capitalists and politicians that restrain their meddling to the specific enumerated powers in the Constitution.
 
Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.:doubt:

It isn't more guns everywhere, it is armed guards everywhere. THAT leads to a police state. Considering where those armed guards are supposed to be placed, it leads to a populace accustomed TO the police state. WHAT (rather than who) will that police state "protect?' NOT "the people" for sure.
 
Then there is a Mall shooting, so armed guards need to be placed there. Then a Church shooting and armed guards are placed there. Then a bus station shooting....and

You getting the message? The NRA would be happy if everyone is packing. Back to the old west. More guns will not solve the problem.:doubt:

It isn't more guns everywhere, it is armed guards everywhere. THAT leads to a police state. Considering where those armed guards are supposed to be placed, it leads to a populace accustomed TO the police state. WHAT (rather than who) will that police state "protect?' NOT "the people" for sure.

Private security guards lead to a police state? Someone needs a dictionary.

po·lice state
country repressively controlled by its government: a country in which the government uses police, especially secret police, to exercise strict or repressive control over the population

Now, I'm no fan of a police state, but please, tell us how private citizens hiring private security has anything to do with a government exercising strict control over the population with government employed, or secret police, guards?
 

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