Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[longknife]

No, they are seeking refuge which is perfectly legal. Fools who listen to Fox won't accept that.

Refuge from what? A crappy economy and now work? How the hell does that give them the right to invade the USA?

 

[Windparadox]

There has to be a dividing line in this and I don't envy the soldiers or their commanders faced with the delima. They are invaders and should be turned back, with force if necessary.There are serious agitators within this group and they will do what they can to create violence, hiding behind women and children like so many gutless thugs do.I do not envy the president. He's really got a problem with this and we will see how he handles it through the various governors and their subordinates.

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Someday, when you become president, you can call on congress and have them declared as "invaders" with orders to shoot to kill. Until then, it's murder.

 

[longknife]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

No....they are not trying to take over the U.S.....they should be captured and put in prison just like any other criminal.

They would live better in our prisons than they would in their own country.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Shoot unarmed civilians?

This is not a game. They have been told they will not be permitted to enter the United States.

This is our country. Not theirs, not the UN's. If they ignore our sovereignty, do what is necessary to repel them and be damned to what the world thinks.

All benefits to illegal aliens should cease. They won't come if they know they will not be fed.

 

[longknife]

That is the prescribed orders of the Army National Guard. Don't like it ? Call your congressman.

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Posse Comitatus Act

Ignorant reference. It applies to the use of REGULAR forces on US soil - not National Guard units which belong to the states!

 

[Cellblock2429]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

/----/ Only if the illegals invaders shoot first and have it recorded on 1,000 iphones. Otherwise just block them from entering.

 

[Camp]

Trump has a following of suckers and dim wits who worship the bullshit that flows from his evil lying mouth. So much, that as seen in this thread, the murder of innocent people, particularly unarmed women, and children are being justified simply by redefining and distorting the definitions of a few words like "invasion" and "hostile".

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That is the prescribed orders of the Army National Guard. Don't like it ? Call your congressman.

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Posse Comitatus Act

Does not apply.

 

[August West]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

No....they are not trying to take over the U.S.....they should be captured and put in prison just like any other criminal.

They would live better in our prisons than they would in their own country.

You may be right. With the exception of quasi-socialistic Costa Rica, capitalism has been a disaster for Central America. BTW, we don`t put people in prison for misdemeanors.

 

[Windparadox]

Ignorant reference. It applies to the use of REGULAR forces on US soil - not National Guard units which belong to the states!

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Fortunately, your opinion on the constitution is completely irrelevant.

 

[longknife]

There has to be a dividing line in this and I don't envy the soldiers or their commanders faced with the delima. They are invaders and should be turned back, with force if necessary.There are serious agitators within this group and they will do what they can to create violence, hiding behind women and children like so many gutless thugs do.I do not envy the president. He's really got a problem with this and we will see how he handles it through the various governors and their subordinates.

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Someday, when you become president, you can call on congress and have them declared as "invaders" with orders to shoot to kill. Until then, it's murder.

That's YOUR leftist/progressive term.

in·vad·er
/inˈvādər/
noun
plural noun: invaders
a person or group that invades a country, region, or other place.
"it is a country that has repelled all invaders"
synonyms: attacker, aggressor, raider, marauder; More

 

[protectionist]

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Someday, when you become president, you can call on congress and have them declared as "invaders" with orders to shoot to kill. Until then, it's murder.

I already refuted that moronic statement.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The year was 1980 when we welcomed 125,000 Cubans who were fleeing communism. Why can`t those who are fleeing capitalism receive the same treatment?

Jimmy Carter's Mariel Boat Lift?

Movies: See the docu-drama "SCARFACE"

 

[candycorn]

Nothing would better indicate how far America has fallen from it's zenith and be more emblematic than America under trump than ethnic cleansing while his idiotic supporters cheer. "MAGA" by making it look just like Bosnia.

 

[Windparadox]

That's YOUR leftist/progressive term.

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Always a good sign. When someone runs out of anything intelligent to say, criticize the persons typo.

 

[protectionist]

/----/ Only if the illegals invaders shoot first and have it recorded on 1,000 iphones. Otherwise just block them from entering.

Block them yes, and that's probably all that will be needed, if they see thousands of heavily armed Army National Guard in front of them. They'll be frozen, and eventually turn back and maybe look for Mexico to take them in.

If they're really stupid though, and mount a mass charge across the border, they could be decimated.

 

[candycorn]

NO.

The very question is an affront to American values.

Well the people asking the question do not share American values.

 

[protectionist]

Trump has a following of suckers and dim wits who worship the bullshit that flows from his evil lying mouth. So much, that as seen in this thread, the murder of innocent people, particularly unarmed women, and children are being justified simply by redefining and distorting the definitions of a few words like "invasion" and "hostile".

There is no REdefine. The words have always meant what they mean, and still do. Defending the USA is not murder. Earlier I posted that you would call sailors "murderers", who shot at Japanese planes attacking Pearl Harbor, if they killed those pilots ?

 

[longknife]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

No....they are not trying to take over the U.S.....they should be captured and put in prison just like any other criminal.

They would live better in our prisons than they would in their own country.

You may be right. With the exception of quasi-socialistic Costa Rica, capitalism has been a disaster for Central America. BTW, we don`t put people in prison for misdemeanors.

Capitalism is not the problem.

One needs to study the history and economies of countries from the time Spain and Portugal took them over. They are rife with 17th and 18th century traditions that set ridiculous limitations on the commerce sections. It is indemic to Hispanic culture and modernization has done little or nothing to rectify it. Add corruption and things only worsen.

Think about this. The USA is programmed to give over $65 million in aid to Honduras in 2019. Just where the hell does it go? How much of it ends up in the hands of bureaucrats and politicians instead of going where it's supposed to.

I think the president should immediately seek authority to withdraw every penny of that foreign aid and demand a full accounting for the money Honduras has already received.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Trump has a following of suckers and dim wits who worship the bullshit that flows from his evil lying mouth. So much, that as seen in this thread, the murder of innocent people, particularly unarmed women, and children are being justified simply by redefining and distorting the definitions of a few words like "invasion" and "hostile".

They lose their innocence the moment they attempt to step across the line, and become essentially invading vermin, armed or not. If they want to put the children and the pregnant in front of the line facing the greatest danger, that is their call. It only reflects upon the cowardice of their men. It in no way alters their status.