Should America Bid Farewell to Exceptional Freedom?

[Avatar4321]

Yes....buying healthcare is more of an impact on freedom than imprisonment without charges or trial, torture, denial of a lawyer

Yes ...those were the golden days of freedom

You're response is not surprising at all. No one is saying that those were the golden days of freedom.

However, President Obama continues the same policies and we are now freer than ever before? right...

 

[rightwinger]

Yes....buying healthcare is more of an impact on freedom than imprisonment without charges or trial, torture, denial of a lawyer

Yes ...those were the golden days of freedom

You're response is not surprising at all. No one is saying that those were the golden days of freedom.

However, President Obama continues the same policies and we are now freer than ever before? right...

Sadly, he does continue many while having renounced most.

Like most things (Economy, war, international relations) the Republicans have created a mess that does not clean up easy.

They captured suspected terrorists, botched the evidence against them, tortured them, denied them their rights and held them for over seven years. They have so botched the handling that it is impossible to try them in any court.

They then turn them over to President Obama and say....they are your problem now

 

[Bfgrn]

Exceptional FREEDOM?

The Bush-Cheney regime exhibited such extreme modes of governance in its embrace of an imperial presidency, its violation of domestic and international law, and its disdain for human rights and democratic values that it was hard to view such anti-democratic policies as part of a pervasive shift towards a hidden order of authoritarian politics, which historically has existed at the margins of American society. How else to label such a government other than shockingly and uniquely extremist, given its political legacy that included the rise of the security and torture state; the creation of legal illegalities in which civil liberties were trampled; the launching of an unjust war in Iraq legitimated through official lies; the passing of legislative policies that drained the federal surplus by giving away more than a trillion dollars in tax cuts to the rich; the enactment of a shameful policy of preemptive war; the endorsement of an inflated military budget at the expense of much-needed social programs; the selling off of as many government functions as possible to corporate interests; the resurrection of an imperial presidency; an incessant attack against unions; support for a muzzled and increasingly corporate-controlled media; government production of fake news reports to gain consent for regressive policies; use of an Orwellian vocabulary for disguising monstrous acts such as torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"); furtherance of a racist campaign of legal harassment and incarceration of Arabs, Muslims and immigrants; advancement of a prison binge through a repressive policy of criminalization; establishment of an unregulated and ultimately devastating form of casino capitalism; the arrogant celebration and support for the interests and values of big business at the expense of citizens and the common good, and the dismantling of social services and social safety nets as part of a larger campaign of ushering in the corporate state and the reign of finance capital.

How does anything President Bush did to curtail freedom justify President Obama to continue and expand that curtailing?

What freedoms has President Obama taken from you?

 

[Avatar4321]

What freedoms has President Obama taken from you?

The freedom to choose whether we want health care or not for one.

The freedom to produce our own energy another.

The freedom to be represented by our representatives.

 

[Meister]

I wish Ron Paul would run under the Tea Party banner in 2012. This period of having our cake and eating it too, where Democrats want to embellish us with entitlements while the Republicans are out to see that we don’t pay for them, just isn’t sustainable.

I would like to see Paul Ryan run as a republican, he could possibly bring the republicxans back to where they need to be.



I mean, you got a mainstream white American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. Wait, didn't somebody else use something like this? If so my apologies.

 

[Zoom-boing]

I wish Ron Paul would run under the Tea Party banner in 2012. This period of having our cake and eating it too, where Democrats want to embellish us with entitlements while the Republicans are out to see that we don’t pay for them, just isn’t sustainable.

I would like to see Paul Ryan run as a republican, he could possibly bring the republicxans back to where they need to be.



I mean, you got a mainstream white American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. Wait, didn't somebody else use something like this? If so my apologies.

Paul Ryan would get my vote.

 

[Bfgrn]

What freedoms has President Obama taken from you?

The freedom to choose whether we want health care or not for one.

The freedom to produce our own energy another.

The freedom to be represented by our representatives.

You mean the freedom not to PAY for health care? If you're in a car accident, are you going to tell the paramedics not to treat your injuries and will you send the ambulance away?

What energy are you restricted from producing?

You ARE represented, what you mean is you want your right wing authoritarians back. WHY don't you believe in democracy?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Playing the Race Card is a concession that you don't have a valid point to make.

Just sayin'.

It is just putting into historical perspective the yearning for "the good ole days" when we had so much more freedom.

We have never had as much freedom as we do right now

You cant possibly be serious.

RW is serious....he/she doesn't give a rats ass about freedom...as long as there is someone to blame when his/her own laziness and stupidity fucks up his/her pathetic life he/she is a happy camper.

With these progressives it's all about lying, stealing other people's money, race baiting, corruption and whining like a 3 year old when they are challenged. Watch and see the reply to this post.

 

[Meister]

What good does it do to pass civil rights legislation in the 1960s, only to turn around and enslave everyone in 2010?

But just keep playing the Race Card - it's clear it's the only one in your deck.

Please explain how you are enslaved in 2010?

I'm sure everyone who fought for civil rights would love to compare notes with you

The fact that they REALLY DO believe that they ARE enslaved is all I need to KNOW for a FACT that they are REALLY DERANGED

unfortunatelt

there are a lot of them
and they are heavily armed

what could be more frightening that heavily armed lunatics?

Is this the left fearmongering again?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

What freedoms has President Obama taken from you?

The freedom to choose whether we want health care or not for one.

The freedom to produce our own energy another.

The freedom to be represented by our representatives.

You mean the freedom not to PAY for health care? If you're in a car accident, are you going to tell the paramedics not to treat your injuries and will you send the ambulance away?

What energy are you restricted from producing?

You ARE represented, what you mean is you want your right wing authoritarians back. WHY don't you believe in democracy?

because YOUR fucked up version of democracy equals totalitarianism or communism. You can shove that right up your metrosexual ass.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Exceptional FREEDOM?

The Bush-Cheney regime exhibited such extreme modes of governance in its embrace of an imperial presidency, its violation of domestic and international law, and its disdain for human rights and democratic values that it was hard to view such anti-democratic policies as part of a pervasive shift towards a hidden order of authoritarian politics, which historically has existed at the margins of American society. How else to label such a government other than shockingly and uniquely extremist, given its political legacy that included the rise of the security and torture state; the creation of legal illegalities in which civil liberties were trampled; the launching of an unjust war in Iraq legitimated through official lies; the passing of legislative policies that drained the federal surplus by giving away more than a trillion dollars in tax cuts to the rich; the enactment of a shameful policy of preemptive war; the endorsement of an inflated military budget at the expense of much-needed social programs; the selling off of as many government functions as possible to corporate interests; the resurrection of an imperial presidency; an incessant attack against unions; support for a muzzled and increasingly corporate-controlled media; government production of fake news reports to gain consent for regressive policies; use of an Orwellian vocabulary for disguising monstrous acts such as torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"); furtherance of a racist campaign of legal harassment and incarceration of Arabs, Muslims and immigrants; advancement of a prison binge through a repressive policy of criminalization; establishment of an unregulated and ultimately devastating form of casino capitalism; the arrogant celebration and support for the interests and values of big business at the expense of citizens and the common good, and the dismantling of social services and social safety nets as part of a larger campaign of ushering in the corporate state and the reign of finance capital.

How does anything President Bush did to curtail freedom justify President Obama to continue and expand that curtailing?

What freedoms has President Obama taken from you?

the freedom to choose whether or not I want health insurance.

 

[Bfgrn]

The freedom to choose whether we want health care or not for one.

The freedom to produce our own energy another.

The freedom to be represented by our representatives.

You mean the freedom not to PAY for health care? If you're in a car accident, are you going to tell the paramedics not to treat your injuries and will you send the ambulance away?

What energy are you restricted from producing?

You ARE represented, what you mean is you want your right wing authoritarians back. WHY don't you believe in democracy?

because YOUR fucked up version of democracy equals totalitarianism or communism. You can shove that right up your metrosexual ass.

Your reply sure sounds like: 'whining like a 3 year old when they are challenged. Watch and see the reply to this post.'

 

[Meister]

You mean the freedom not to PAY for health care? If you're in a car accident, are you going to tell the paramedics not to treat your injuries and will you send the ambulance away?

What energy are you restricted from producing?

You ARE represented, what you mean is you want your right wing authoritarians back. WHY don't you believe in democracy?

because YOUR fucked up version of democracy equals totalitarianism or communism. You can shove that right up your metrosexual ass.

Your reply sure sounds like: 'whining like a 3 year old when they are challenged. Watch and see the reply to this post.'

If that's your response to Patek's post, points go to Patek. just sain'....

 

[PatekPhilippe]

You mean the freedom not to PAY for health care? If you're in a car accident, are you going to tell the paramedics not to treat your injuries and will you send the ambulance away?

What energy are you restricted from producing?

You ARE represented, what you mean is you want your right wing authoritarians back. WHY don't you believe in democracy?

because YOUR fucked up version of democracy equals totalitarianism or communism. You can shove that right up your metrosexual ass.

Your reply sure sounds like: 'whining like a 3 year old when they are challenged. Watch and see the reply to this post.'

That's not whining...that's stating a fact.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Notice the lack of reply to my post on what freedom was taken by the dictator, Lord Obama.

 

[Bfgrn]

Notice the lack of reply to my post on what freedom was taken by the dictator, Lord Obama.

Is that a future post, or are you referring to your childish tantrum about being free to shirk YOUR personal responsibility and stick everyone ELSE with YOUR medical costs? You lazy fucking welfare queen socialist commie...

 

[Gunny]

Notice the lack of reply to my post on what freedom was taken by the dictator, Lord Obama.

Is that a future post, or are you referring to your childish tantrum about being free to shirk YOUR personal responsibility and stick everyone ELSE with YOUR medical costs? You lazy fucking welfare queen socialist commie...

You should go have yourself committed. 'Tard.

 

[Bfgrn]

Notice the lack of reply to my post on what freedom was taken by the dictator, Lord Obama.

Is that a future post, or are you referring to your childish tantrum about being free to shirk YOUR personal responsibility and stick everyone ELSE with YOUR medical costs? You lazy fucking welfare queen socialist commie...

You should go have yourself committed. 'Tard.

Hey Gun boy, let's kill 2 turds with one stone...let's implement a national ID card with a "Do NOT treat" signature clause. If you refuse to buy health insurance, and then you are injured in an accident, paramedics can look at the card and leave you morons to die, instead of expecting me and every other American to pay for your medical treatment.

 

[Immanuel]

I wonder who was being locked up while you liberals were whining and crying about it while Bush was President? Remember when you guys were lying about all the freedoms you lost when HLS was passed? Wire taps? Yet have nothing when your man does the same thing.

BTW, when is Gitmo being closed? Or how about the troops? When are still waiting for the parades that would follow the withdraw Obama and democrats promised us.

Typical lib. Open mouth and the lies flow like released dam water.

Yes....buying healthcare is more of an impact on freedom than imprisonment without charges or trial, torture, denial of a lawyer

Yes ...those were the golden days of freedom

Knew I could count of you to come running to the defense of Muslim terrorist scum.

Its the liberal motto.

I'm no lib, but I have to agree with rightwinger that the Patriot Act did more to threaten our freedoms than HCR. However, that does mean that HCR is not also threatening our freedoms.

Americans on both sides are going to bitch and moan about the government extinguishing our rights while in the meantime the government is going to go on extinguishing our rights and when they are done we are all going to say WTF happened?

Of course, then we'll start pointing at the other side again and blaming them. WTF?

Yes....buying healthcare is more of an impact on freedom than imprisonment without charges or trial, torture, denial of a lawyer

Yes ...those were the golden days of freedom

You're response is not surprising at all. No one is saying that those were the golden days of freedom.

However, President Obama continues the same policies and we are now freer than ever before? right...

Sadly, he does continue many while having renounced most.

Like most things (Economy, war, international relations) the Republicans have created a mess that does not clean up easy.

They captured suspected terrorists, botched the evidence against them, tortured them, denied them their rights and held them for over seven years. They have so botched the handling that it is impossible to try them in any court.

They then turn them over to President Obama and say....they are your problem now

Would you please help me here? I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is that he has renounced and done a damned thing about.

Immie

 

[rightwinger]

Is that a future post, or are you referring to your childish tantrum about being free to shirk YOUR personal responsibility and stick everyone ELSE with YOUR medical costs? You lazy fucking welfare queen socialist commie...

You should go have yourself committed. 'Tard.

Hey Gun boy, let's kill 2 turds with one stone...let's implement a national ID card with a "Do NOT treat" signature clause. If you refuse to buy health insurance, and then you are injured in an accident, paramedics can look at the card and leave you morons to die, instead of expecting me and every other American to pay for your medical treatment.

Yes...Lets give Patek his "Freedom to die" he so desires