Discussion in 'Congress' started by The Paperboy, Oct 23, 2008.
I could argue every point you made.
Here is your homework son.
ThomHartmann.com - Midnight Ride of the Rabble
Let's be blunt. The real agenda of the new conservatives is nothing less than the destruction of democracy in the United States of America. And feudalism is one of their weapons.
In their brave new world, corporations are more suited to governance than are the unpredictable rabble called citizens. Corporations should control politics, control the commons, control health care, control our airwaves, control the "free" market, and even control our schools. Although corporations can't vote, these new conservatives claim they should have human rights, like privacy from government inspections of their political activity and the free speech right to lie to politicians and citizens in PR and advertising. Although corporations don't need to breathe fresh air or drink pure water, these new conservatives would hand over to them the power to self-regulate poisonous emissions into our air and water.
The modern-day conservative movement began with Federalists Alexander Hamilton and John Adams, who argued that for a society to be stable it must have a governing elite, and this elite must be separate both in power and privilege from what Adams referred to as "the rabble." Their Federalist party imploded in the early 19th Century, in large part because of public revulsion over Federalist elitism, a symptom of which was Adams' signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. (If you've only read the Republican biographies of John Adams, you probably don't remember these laws, even though they were the biggest thing to have happened in Adams' entire four years in office, and the reason why the citizens of America voted him out of office, and voted Jefferson - who loudly and publicly opposed the Acts - in. They were a 1797 version of the Patriot Act and Patriot II, with startlingly similar language.)
Destroyed by their embrace of this early form of despotism, the Federalists were replaced first in the early 1800s by the short-lived Whigs and then, starting with Lincoln, by the modern-day Republicans, who, after Lincoln's death, firmly staked out their ancestral Federalist position as the party of wealthy corporate and private interests. And now, under the disguise of the word "conservative" (classical conservatives like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower are rolling in their graves), these old-time feudalists have nearly completed their takeover of our great nation.
"Do you want government bureaucrats deciding which doctor you can see?" asked the conservatives, over and over again. As a yes/no question, the answer was pretty simple for most Americans: no. But, as is so often the case when conservatives try to influence public opinion, the true issue wasn't honestly stated.
The real question was: "Do you want government bureaucrats - who are answerable to elected officials and thus subject to the will of 'We, The People' - making decisions about your healthcare, or would you rather have corporate bureaucrats - who are answerable only to their CEOs and work in a profit-driven environment - making decisions about your healthcare?"
It was done to make the Dems and Barack look bad.
Of all people, you know that.
you're totally one of those people who feels one thing justifies another aren't you?
and the boys in Durham have NOTHING to do with this incident so why even bring it up?
I think the problem I see on this board is that there seems to be NOTHING the Cons won't lie about and even when caught in their lies they still make excuses.
The most glaringly obvious things revolve around the story a week or so ago about the "interview" Michelle Obama supposedly gave to the AFP which turned out to be utter bullshit. The Cons just spit it out and then ran
Then there was the hotel story...again total bullshit that the Cons spit out and then ran when it was proven false.
Now we have some crazy ass McCain supporter trying to race bait by saying she was attacked by a black Obama supporter and the Cons spit it out, jumped on it, basically called for this imaginary man's balls to be chopped off and when it's proven false they are nowhere to be found.
you all make shit up and then act as if the liberals on this board are supposed to just laugh it off and politics as usual.
Willow, you tell me one story, other than Trig, about Palin that has been put out there about Palin that later proved to be totally and completely false and without merit, either by connection to her husband (AIP) or some other connection.
Thom Hartmann is one of the pundits who isn't a screamer or a shouter, but lays out the facts and let's you decide.
I bet you can't post all that.
And Thom Hartmann has conservatives on all the time and lets them speak. Rush never does that.
you reap what ya sow babe, suck it up and move on.
Then do so.
Oh my dog, I hadn't heard that.
What a forking moron!
You probably still wouldnt believe it...You dont have to completely abolish the 2nd Amendment to take the guns, high taxes on handgun and hunting equipt, over regulated policies, etc etc...
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