SeveN Fired Coaches and not One Team That can Use Tebow?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Is he a starting QB yet, no, only for emergencies. He still has a lot to learn.

Is he sub-par, not in the opinion of actual NFL QBs that have seen him play and train personally. They all say his passing problems are over.

He's sub par as far as starting QBs go. He's a border-line starter at best, right now. But people like RW who pretend he's had his chances and has shown all he can show; that's the bigotry talking. You don't judge a QB outright on that little experience. He's selling a load of bigoted BS cos that's what he does. He does it on the political boards. No surprise, he's bringing that BS here.

John Elway got a pretty good look at Tebow.......couldn't wait to get rid of him
Jets spent a season trying to figure out what he could do....Tebow barely made it out of practice
Pats couldn't even get him out of camp

Half dozen teams were desperate for QB help this year.....nobody called

Uh___ I think that had something to do with him bringing in Peyton Manning....Geez.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Why isn't Dilfer a General Manager then?

I'll take the opinion of 32 NFL General Managers over yours or Dilfers any day, dumb fuck

Tim Tebow is a lightning rod. If you were a GM, would you want to do something that put you under a microscope? Perhaps, you can spare us the simple minded analysis.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Is he a starting QB yet, no, only for emergencies. He still has a lot to learn.

Is he sub-par, not in the opinion of actual NFL QBs that have seen him play and train personally. They all say his passing problems are over.

He's sub par as far as starting QBs go. He's a border-line starter at best, right now. But people like RW who pretend he's had his chances and has shown all he can show; that's the bigotry talking. You don't judge a QB outright on that little experience. He's selling a load of bigoted BS cos that's what he does. He does it on the political boards. No surprise, he's bringing that BS here.

Except that's exactly how you judge a player : based on their performance in games. More, in the NFL, most players don't have a lot of time to show off their skills to get/maintain a job. It's very much a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

Look at Matt Flynn. He was signed by two different teams based mostly on a single game's work.

I'm not sure how Tebow not having a job is an example of him being blackballed. He's had 3 NFL jobs. He's been able to start almost a season's worth of games. The vast, vast majority of would-be players never get that chance.

Someone might give Tebow another chance. He does have experience and that can be a big draw at times. I think it will take a particular set of circumstances, though.

Teams generally have three QBs. You can't tell me that Tebow is not 2nd or 3rd string quality based on his history. That being the case, he's obviously being blackballed. You can talk your way around it, all you want, but that's reality.

 

[mack20]

Tebow sucks.

He should go to Canada and learn to play pro ball.

Ah and the dozen QBs that say he is a great thrower now are just too stupid to agree with you?

lol, ok, I get it....

Who are these dozen QBs? Maybe you've named them somewhere else in this thread, but I really don't feel like looking myself and I keep seeing you repeatedly mention a group of nameless NFL QBs and coaches who have praised Tebow's improved throwing ability. I'd really like to know who gave the praise and what exactly it was that they said.

Also, truthfully, I'd stop mentioning all the college records if I were you. There are plenty of talented college players who never panned out in the NFL, and saying that Tebow holds numerous college records isn't helping your case the way you think it is.

 

[Montrovant]

He's sub par as far as starting QBs go. He's a border-line starter at best, right now. But people like RW who pretend he's had his chances and has shown all he can show; that's the bigotry talking. You don't judge a QB outright on that little experience. He's selling a load of bigoted BS cos that's what he does. He does it on the political boards. No surprise, he's bringing that BS here.

Except that's exactly how you judge a player : based on their performance in games. More, in the NFL, most players don't have a lot of time to show off their skills to get/maintain a job. It's very much a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

Look at Matt Flynn. He was signed by two different teams based mostly on a single game's work.

I'm not sure how Tebow not having a job is an example of him being blackballed. He's had 3 NFL jobs. He's been able to start almost a season's worth of games. The vast, vast majority of would-be players never get that chance.

Someone might give Tebow another chance. He does have experience and that can be a big draw at times. I think it will take a particular set of circumstances, though.

Teams generally have three QBs. You can't tell me that Tebow is not 2nd or 3rd string quality based on his history. That being the case, he's obviously being blackballed. You can talk your way around it, all you want, but that's reality.

Based on his history in Denver, ignoring the context of that history, and ignoring his history with the Jets and Pats, you might have a point.

There's also the question of what Tebow is trying to get, or at least what his agent is trying to get, both from the standpoint of money and if he is pushing to be a starter.

The man has not been able to stay on two separate teams as a backup. He was dumped from the team he led to a playoff win. You can decide that is because of his outward faith and the controversy surrounding him, and they probably played a part, but the fact is his passing was bad enough that, even without the controversy, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him end up where he is now.

 

[manifold]

Once again, if Tebow wasn't a grandstanding bible-thumper, then Jimbo wouldn't give two shits about the fact that he's a failed NFL quarterback.

Does anybody believe otherwise?

I think you mean that you would be making the case for Tebow to be playing somewhere. The bigotry drips off of you.

You obviously don't know shit about me.

I actually like Tebow, and wish he was successful, if for no other reason than to piss off the haters. But me wishing it isn't enough to make it so. The guy just isn't cut out to play QB in the NFL.

But nice fail though.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is he a starting QB yet, no, only for emergencies. He still has a lot to learn.

Is he sub-par, not in the opinion of actual NFL QBs that have seen him play and train personally. They all say his passing problems are over.

He's sub par as far as starting QBs go. He's a border-line starter at best, right now. But people like RW who pretend he's had his chances and has shown all he can show; that's the bigotry talking. You don't judge a QB outright on that little experience. He's selling a load of bigoted BS cos that's what he does. He does it on the political boards. No surprise, he's bringing that BS here.

Except that's exactly how you judge a player : based on their performance in games. More, in the NFL, most players don't have a lot of time to show off their skills to get/maintain a job. It's very much a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

Look at Matt Flynn. He was signed by two different teams based mostly on a single game's work.

I'm not sure how Tebow not having a job is an example of him being blackballed. He's had 3 NFL jobs. He's been able to start almost a season's worth of games. The vast, vast majority of would-be players never get that chance.

Someone might give Tebow another chance. He does have experience and that can be a big draw at times. I think it will take a particular set of circumstances, though.

Lol, I think Tebow has enough promise he will get his shot somewhere. Part of his problem that no one has brought up (due to telescopic focus on his passing skills, now fixed) is that his is an option type QB and likes to run. He is not seen as a classic stay in the pocket type QB, but I think such are going to become more popular in the next few years. The success of Seattle and San Francisco are leading a lot of change.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Once again, if Tebow wasn't a grandstanding bible-thumper, then Jimbo wouldn't give two shits about the fact that he's a failed NFL quarterback.

Does anybody believe otherwise?

I think you mean that you would be making the case for Tebow to be playing somewhere. The bigotry drips off of you.

You obviously don't know shit about me.
:

Your posts are enough to show your hateful bigotry, ass hat.

 

[JimBowie1958]

He's sub par as far as starting QBs go. He's a border-line starter at best, right now. But people like RW who pretend he's had his chances and has shown all he can show; that's the bigotry talking. You don't judge a QB outright on that little experience. He's selling a load of bigoted BS cos that's what he does. He does it on the political boards. No surprise, he's bringing that BS here.

Except that's exactly how you judge a player : based on their performance in games. More, in the NFL, most players don't have a lot of time to show off their skills to get/maintain a job. It's very much a 'what have you done for me lately' league.

Look at Matt Flynn. He was signed by two different teams based mostly on a single game's work.

I'm not sure how Tebow not having a job is an example of him being blackballed. He's had 3 NFL jobs. He's been able to start almost a season's worth of games. The vast, vast majority of would-be players never get that chance.

Someone might give Tebow another chance. He does have experience and that can be a big draw at times. I think it will take a particular set of circumstances, though.

Teams generally have three QBs. You can't tell me that Tebow is not 2nd or 3rd string quality based on his history. That being the case, he's obviously being blackballed. You can talk your way around it, all you want, but that's reality.

Exactly right. Tebows records, games won and his improvement as a passer show he has tons of promise.

But the cowards in the NFL wont even take a look with only a few exceptions.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Tebow sucks.

He should go to Canada and learn to play pro ball.

Ah and the dozen QBs that say he is a great thrower now are just too stupid to agree with you?

lol, ok, I get it....

Who are these dozen QBs? Maybe you've named them somewhere else in this thread, but I really don't feel like looking myself and I keep seeing you repeatedly mention a group of nameless NFL QBs and coaches who have praised Tebow's improved throwing ability. I'd really like to know who gave the praise and what exactly it was that they said.

Also, truthfully, I'd stop mentioning all the college records if I were you. There are plenty of talented college players who never panned out in the NFL, and saying that Tebow holds numerous college records isn't helping your case the way you think it is.

A dozen QBs hyperbole, what I meant and have said several times previously in the thread is that he has had endorsements by about a dozen pros in the NFL and about half a dozen QBs. I have read these over the course of the last two years, but this is what I found after a little bit of digging, and I am sure more is out there.


1) Mark Brunell
Tim Tebow's Endorsement from Mark Brunell Is Great Sign for NFL Future | Bleacher Report

If I had the opportunity, I would find a place on my team for Tim Tebow—no question…I think Tim is an asset to any team simply because of his work ethic, what he means in the community and the fact that he's a great guy to have in the locker room. I believe there's a place for Tim Tebow in the league. He has a special skill set. He's a quarterback who has had some success throwing the ball, he can run with it and you can put him anywhere. I'm surprised more teams weren't more interested in him.

2) Vinny Testaverde
Tebow goes from hero to NFL outcast | New York Post

Testaverde, who was recommended to Tebow through mutual acquaintances, helped him with his footwork and reading defenses for a few weeks in the spring.

He, like many, thought the Patriots were the perfect landing spot for Tebow because of Belichick. Testaverde said he thinks if Belichick had not encountered so many question marks on the team because of injury, he “probably would have kept Tim and helped him develop into a nice quarterback.’’

“But Bill lost his tight ends, and [receiver] Wes Welker is not there, so he’s missing some pieces trying to groom new guys, and it’s hard to keep somebody that can’t help you right now on your team,’’ he said. “I think Tim is a victim of that in New England.’’

3) Trent Dilfer
Tim Tebow Reveals Insane Workout Regimen in Pursuit of NFL Dream

Former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer, who starred at Fresno State and won a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens, said Tim Tebow was one of the best quarterbacks in college football without even knowing how to throw a football properly.

Now, according to Dilfer, Tebow can throw the football like an NFL quarterback and deserves a shot on an NFL roster. He predicted that Tebow would eventually make an NFL roster again...

Now, Dilfer said that NFL scouts would not the know the difference between Tebow's spiral and those of other NFL quarterbacks, and he said teams should at least consider that.

4, 5, 6) QB Chris Weinke, QB coach Steve Carlson, and Dennis Gile,
Tim Tebow's throwing delivery is fixed, QB tutors say - NFL.com

After spending three days with the former New York Jet in early February, independent quarterbacks coach Steve Carlson claimed in April that he had fixed Tebow's accuracy issues by correcting a footwork problem that led to his looping throwing motion, Newsday reported.

ESPN's Trent Dilfer tweeted Monday night that Dennis Gile of The [Q] Quarterback Academy, "one of the true ROCK STARS" in quarterback development, had made "real changes" to Tebow's delivery after working out for three and a half months.

Former Carolina Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke, who worked with Tebow at IMG Academy in Florida, said Monday that Tebow now is throwing with "great accuracy, great velocity" after fixing a major foot alignment flaw.

"Do I think he can play the quarterback position in the NFL? Yeah, no question," Weinke told USA Today. "Like I told Tim when I found out that he signed, 'You're locked and loaded, ready to go.'"

7) Marc Trestman
Marc Trestman once tutored Tim Tebow, will they have a reunion with Chicago Bears? | firstcoastnews.com

Go back to May 2010, a month after Tebow was drafted. In Canada's National Post, Trestman compared Tebow to Trestman's staggeringly effective QB for the Montreal Alouettes, Anthony Calvillo:

"We have a quarterback who has a long delivery and he's one of the greatest quarterbacks and will finish as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time north or south of the border so he does it with a motion very similar to what Tim Tebow used in college.

"When you're an accurate passer and you have the intangibles that go along with that you can figure it out and make it work and whether Tim changed his motion or not I believed he would figure it out and I don't have any doubt that he'll be very, very successful."

It is worth noting -- the Bears certainly did -- that Trestman also tutored incumbent Bears starting QB Jay Cutler before the 2006 draft. But given the uncertainty that any team is willing to offer Tebow a shot at a starting role, Tebow might feel comfortable being a back-up on a team where he is familiar with the head coach -- and for a team whose head coach once very publicly touted Tebow's NFL potential as a quarterback.

8) Steve Clarkson
Believe it: Tim Tebow will be a 'pleasant surprise' as Patriots passer, QB guru says - NFL - Sporting News

The verdict on whether his mechanics have improved under Clarkson’s tutelage will ultimately be given when he actually plays, Clarkson said.

In April, less than two weeks before the Jets let him go, Clarkson told reporters that teams would be "pleasantly surprised" by what they saw of him as a passer, and added that he was getting back to his normal quarterback weight, as opposed to what he was carrying as a third-down specialist and punt protector as a Jet.

9) Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka
Y! SPORTS

“I think [Tebow] can play quarterback in the NFL, but whatever offense you run might have to be tweaked a bit. This kid is a talent and he proved it in college. He is an outstanding leader. Now, does he have an unusual throwing motion? Yes. But there a lot of quarterbacks that didn’t have a perfect throwing motion. Some of them turned out to be great quarterbacks because they were great leaders. I really do think there’s a place for him. If not at quarterback, I think he could play tight end. If I was in the league and coaching today, I would take a chance on him at quarterback.”

More evaluation of Tebows potential:
The Case for Tim Tebow, NFL Quarterback

 

[Truthseeker420]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNMDdMNvDE]Tim Tebow: Incredible - YouTube[/ame]

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I'll summarize this very simple:

Everyone saying Tebow is a sub-par QB; you're (likely) right. Everyone saying that he's not getting blackballed, you're completely wrong.

Goodness. Dipfuck actually negged this. I don't even have to list who. I bet ya'll know who.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Once again, if Tebow wasn't a grandstanding bible-thumper, then Jimbo wouldn't give two shits about the fact that he's a failed NFL quarterback.

Does anybody believe otherwise?

I think you mean that you would be making the case for Tebow to be playing somewhere. The bigotry drips off of you.

You obviously don't know shit about me.

I actually like Tebow, and wish he was successful, if for no other reason than to piss off the haters. But me wishing it isn't enough to make it so. The guy just isn't cut out to play QB in the NFL.

But nice fail though.

You are a hater, deuche bag. Calling someone a grandstanding bible thumper is hating. How fucking stupid can you be? Or to ironically use your neg words, "you're clearly too stupid or blinded to discuss this topic."

 

[JimBowie1958]

I think you mean that you would be making the case for Tebow to be playing somewhere. The bigotry drips off of you.

You obviously don't know shit about me.

I actually like Tebow, and wish he was successful, if for no other reason than to piss off the haters. But me wishing it isn't enough to make it so. The guy just isn't cut out to play QB in the NFL.

But nice fail though.

You are a hater, deuche bag. Calling someone a grandstanding bible thumper is hating. How fucking stupid can you be? Or to ironically use your neg words, "you're clearly too stupid or blinded to discuss this topic."

Pretty damned fucking stupid, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

.....

Lol, libtards think a silly video with canned laugh track is persuasive.


roflmao AGAIN!

 

[mack20]

Ah and the dozen QBs that say he is a great thrower now are just too stupid to agree with you?

lol, ok, I get it....

Who are these dozen QBs? Maybe you've named them somewhere else in this thread, but I really don't feel like looking myself and I keep seeing you repeatedly mention a group of nameless NFL QBs and coaches who have praised Tebow's improved throwing ability. I'd really like to know who gave the praise and what exactly it was that they said.

Also, truthfully, I'd stop mentioning all the college records if I were you. There are plenty of talented college players who never panned out in the NFL, and saying that Tebow holds numerous college records isn't helping your case the way you think it is.

A dozen QBs hyperbole, what I meant and have said several times previously in the thread is that he has had endorsements by about a dozen pros in the NFL and about half a dozen QBs. I have read these over the course of the last two years, but this is what I found after a little bit of digging, and I am sure more is out there.


1) Mark Brunell
Tim Tebow's Endorsement from Mark Brunell Is Great Sign for NFL Future | Bleacher Report



2) Vinny Testaverde
Tebow goes from hero to NFL outcast | New York Post



3) Trent Dilfer
Tim Tebow Reveals Insane Workout Regimen in Pursuit of NFL Dream



4, 5, 6) QB Chris Weinke, QB coach Steve Carlson, and Dennis Gile,
Tim Tebow's throwing delivery is fixed, QB tutors say - NFL.com




7) Marc Trestman
Marc Trestman once tutored Tim Tebow, will they have a reunion with Chicago Bears? | firstcoastnews.com



8) Steve Clarkson
Believe it: Tim Tebow will be a 'pleasant surprise' as Patriots passer, QB guru says - NFL - Sporting News

The verdict on whether his mechanics have improved under Clarkson’s tutelage will ultimately be given when he actually plays, Clarkson said.

In April, less than two weeks before the Jets let him go, Clarkson told reporters that teams would be "pleasantly surprised" by what they saw of him as a passer, and added that he was getting back to his normal quarterback weight, as opposed to what he was carrying as a third-down specialist and punt protector as a Jet.

9) Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka
Y! SPORTS

“I think [Tebow] can play quarterback in the NFL, but whatever offense you run might have to be tweaked a bit. This kid is a talent and he proved it in college. He is an outstanding leader. Now, does he have an unusual throwing motion? Yes. But there a lot of quarterbacks that didn’t have a perfect throwing motion. Some of them turned out to be great quarterbacks because they were great leaders. I really do think there’s a place for him. If not at quarterback, I think he could play tight end. If I was in the league and coaching today, I would take a chance on him at quarterback.”

More evaluation of Tebows potential:
The Case for Tim Tebow, NFL Quarterback

Thanks for actually backing up your words. I honestly do appreciate it. As I've said before, I personally don't think Tebow is a good QB. I just don't. I'm not an expert and would never claim to be, my opinion is just that, an opinion. But I like the guy. I've heard nothing but good things about him as far as who he is as a teammate and locker room presence. The reality is that you have to be a GREAT talent to convince a team to take you on when the media circus follows you like it does Tebow. And to expand on my earlier post about the fans both for and against him, honestly, another HUGE problem in this whole situation is the media themselves.

ESPN, SI, SC, etc have done damage to Tebow. The wall to wall coverage has, rightly or wrongly, soured fans and teams on him. Hell, I like the guy and until he went a bit more under the radar this year I was sick as can be of him. He's been massively overexposed. And I think that people have started to resent how much they have to hear about a player that they don't think is talented enough to warrant the coverage. I don't think you were wrong in saying that he badly needs a PR team.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who are these dozen QBs? Maybe you've named them somewhere else in this thread, but I really don't feel like looking myself and I keep seeing you repeatedly mention a group of nameless NFL QBs and coaches who have praised Tebow's improved throwing ability. I'd really like to know who gave the praise and what exactly it was that they said.

Also, truthfully, I'd stop mentioning all the college records if I were you. There are plenty of talented college players who never panned out in the NFL, and saying that Tebow holds numerous college records isn't helping your case the way you think it is.

A dozen QBs hyperbole, what I meant and have said several times previously in the thread is that he has had endorsements by about a dozen pros in the NFL and about half a dozen QBs. I have read these over the course of the last two years, but this is what I found after a little bit of digging, and I am sure more is out there.


1) Mark Brunell
Tim Tebow's Endorsement from Mark Brunell Is Great Sign for NFL Future | Bleacher Report



2) Vinny Testaverde
Tebow goes from hero to NFL outcast | New York Post



3) Trent Dilfer
Tim Tebow Reveals Insane Workout Regimen in Pursuit of NFL Dream



4, 5, 6) QB Chris Weinke, QB coach Steve Carlson, and Dennis Gile,
Tim Tebow's throwing delivery is fixed, QB tutors say - NFL.com




7) Marc Trestman
Marc Trestman once tutored Tim Tebow, will they have a reunion with Chicago Bears? | firstcoastnews.com



8) Steve Clarkson
Believe it: Tim Tebow will be a 'pleasant surprise' as Patriots passer, QB guru says - NFL - Sporting News




9) Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka
Y! SPORTS

“I think [Tebow] can play quarterback in the NFL, but whatever offense you run might have to be tweaked a bit. This kid is a talent and he proved it in college. He is an outstanding leader. Now, does he have an unusual throwing motion? Yes. But there a lot of quarterbacks that didn’t have a perfect throwing motion. Some of them turned out to be great quarterbacks because they were great leaders. I really do think there’s a place for him. If not at quarterback, I think he could play tight end. If I was in the league and coaching today, I would take a chance on him at quarterback.”

More evaluation of Tebows potential:
The Case for Tim Tebow, NFL Quarterback

Thanks for actually backing up your words. I honestly do appreciate it. As I've said before, I personally don't think Tebow is a good QB. I just don't. I'm not an expert and would never claim to be, my opinion is just that, an opinion. But I like the guy. I've heard nothing but good things about him as far as who he is as a teammate and locker room presence. The reality is that you have to be a GREAT talent to convince a team to take you on when the media circus follows you like it does Tebow. And to expand on my earlier post about the fans both for and against him, honestly, another HUGE problem in this whole situation is the media themselves.

ESPN, SI, SC, etc have done damage to Tebow. The wall to wall coverage has, rightly or wrongly, soured fans and teams on him. Hell, I like the guy and until he went a bit more under the radar this year I was sick as can be of him. He's been massively overexposed. And I think that people have started to resent how much they have to hear about a player that they don't think is talented enough to warrant the coverage. I don't think you were wrong in saying that he badly needs a PR team.

I think he has the potential to be a great QB and could start for about a third of the NFL teams out there if he had to, but he needs a veteran QB to learn from. I don't think he is a preferred starter yet, if that makes sense, though he could do it, as I think he has demonstrated. A few more years under his belt under a good QB and he could write his own ticket, IMO.

And yeah, he needs to get the PR team ASAP, lol.

 

[G.T.]

Hes improved as a passer when his preseason tryout with new england was his worst passing ever? Lala land. Keep carrying his jock for him.

 

[rightwinger]

Hes improved as a passer when his preseason tryout with new england was his worst passing ever? Lala land. Keep carrying his jock for him.

We heard the same thing about Tebow when he came out of college

"His footwork and mechanics have improved and he is now an NFL QB"

Fool me once....

 

[JimBowie1958]

Hes improved as a passer when his preseason tryout with new england was his worst passing ever? Lala land. Keep carrying his jock for him.

We heard the same thing about Tebow when he came out of college

"His footwork and mechanics have improved and he is now an NFL QB"

Fool me once....

Lol, well, only time will tell....IF any team would give him a chance. At New England he had a complex offense to learn and it took a few preseason games for him to get the swing of it, but his last game for New England showed a lot of promise with 2 TD passes in the 4th quarter and decent stats for the game.

But you haters just gotta hate....and you of course just gotta lie like a Persian rug.