School drops the Pledge of Allegiance

[manifold]

Unfornunately, I've learned a little bit of your perferred tactics.

But apparently not my preference for correct spelling.

 

[Ravi]

Unfornunately, I've learned a little bit of your perferred tactics.

Didn't you start out here shining Shog on?

 

[BrianH]

Didn't you start out here shining Shog on?

Yeah, but that was before I actually got interested in debating on the boards. cuckoo. I agree with Shog, I just laugh at his "passion" sometimes.

 

[BrianH]

But apparently not my preference for correct spelling.

sorry, prefer

 

[Ravi]

Yeah, but that was before I actually got interested in debating on the boards. cuckoo. I agree with Shog, I just laugh at his "passion" sometimes.

The Passion of Anti-Christ

 

[BrianH]

Sorry, SHog, these board have been lacking a little humor lately. I've been googling the pledge of allegiance and state statutes for a couple of days now...I just wanted to see what all you'd bring up and if you found similar things to what I have.

 

[BrianH]

The Passion of Anti-Christ

You got that right.

 

[Shogun]

of course you agree with me. I am Shogun.


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[Taomon]

PORTLAND, Ore. - The exclusion of the Pledge of Allegiance from a southwest Portland elementary school's ceremony has proved upsetting for a local mom.

Departing fifth-graders at Capitol Hill Elementary usually open their promotion ceremony with the Pledge of Allegiance but not this year.


KATU tried repeatedly to talk with Principal Pam Wilson but got no results. However, in an e-mail response to Reese's questions, she explained the pledge was removed "out of respect for the diversity of religious faiths."


Local mom concerned after school drops the Pledge of Allegiance | KATU.com - Portland, Oregon | News


I didnt know the Pledge of Allegiance was a pledge to ANY religion?

Pledging allegiance to a flag is basically idolatry. The school is right for dropping the pledge. There is no need to indoctrinate the children until they have been taught enough about our country and their civil liberties to determine for themselves.

 

[BrianH]

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[manifold]

Funny flick. Better than it gets credit for.

 

[AllieBaba]

It is not idolatry. Nobody pledges allegience to the flag and thinks the flag itself is a god. Though of course by leaving in the "under God" you can make that perfectly clear....

 

[Taomon]

It is not idolatry. Nobody pledges allegience to the flag and thinks the flag itself is a god. Though of course by leaving in the "under God" you can make that perfectly clear....

That all depends on your interpretation of the 10 Commandments. And there are those of us who believe that it is blasphemous. You are a reborn-Christian and have espoused very radical (and rather foolish) ideas and interpretations. I find it surprising that you would question me on this.

Or are you arguing simply because it is me who said it?

But getting back on track, having children say the pledge without defining the true meaning behind it is indoctrination, pure and simple.

And that is why people from the military become incensed whenever someone makes a statement, political or otherwise, that denounces the Pledge or questions it.

If we are truly a free nation, then there is no need for pledging allegiance to the flag, government or Constitution. So it begs us to wonder why it is so important to have school aged children reciting a pledge that is basically meaningless to them.

Look at where the pledge came from...Congress passed a law requiring schools to say it because of the Red Scare. So in the eyes of 1950's Congress...we are as free as we want so long as we agree with Congress. No room for socialist ideas, no room for anything but capitalism.

 

[AllieBaba]

Honestly, I didn't have a clue who wrote the post. I don't pay that much attention, unless something jumps out at me.

I know there are Jehovah's witnesses who won't say the pledge, and others. So what? I never said that children should be forced to say the pledge. But if you're going to put kids in a federally funded school, I think one of the things they should be exposed to is the pledge of allegience.

 

[Taomon]

Honestly, I didn't have a clue who wrote the post. I don't pay that much attention, unless something jumps out at me.

I know there are Jehovah's witnesses who won't say the pledge, and others. So what? I never said that children should be forced to say the pledge. But if you're going to put kids in a federally funded school, I think one of the things they should be exposed to is the pledge of allegience.

Wrong! Because it is a public school, that is exactly the reason why they should not be indoctrinated at all, and that is what the Pledge of Allegiance is...indoctrination.

No, the children in Federally funded schools should be taught civics, not indoctrination.

 

[AllieBaba]

You're an anti-American idiot pig.

You can argue all day that anything kids are taught about anything is "indoctrination" but the fact of the matter is, if they're living in the US and attending FEDERALLY FUNDED SCHOOLS they should be EXPOSED to a few things which might actually make them proud, and which establish a standard for pride and behavior.

 

[Taomon]

You're an anti-American idiot pig.

You can argue all day that anything kids are taught about anything is "indoctrination" but the fact of the matter is, if they're living in the US and attending FEDERALLY FUNDED SCHOOLS they should be EXPOSED to a few things which might actually make them proud, and which establish a standard for pride and behavior.

I agree that children should be taught a few things to be proud of...that would be covered in civics classes, which are being phased out for standardized testing curricula.

Why do you insist that I am anti-American? Just because I don't think people should blindly lockstep with our government? Have you seen what our government actually does?

I am proud to be American and ashamed of what we as a nation have done to innocent people. Like the Native American Indians. What will we teach our children about the genocide of these noble people in the name of empire expansion and capitalist gains? The same tired stories about how we helped them and how we were all friends on Thanksgiving? Nothing about the slaughter, the rape, the pillage, the forced concentration camps...I mean reservations.

 

[AllieBaba]

You are anti-American because you're ashamed of the GOOD things we've done, and refuse to see the good.
You are anti-American because you think Americans are terrorists and don't mind when they are targeted and killed by their enemies.

And please don't even get me started on the whole "Noble People" thing. What a moron. There is no such thing. The British are "noble people". The Germans are "noble people". The Millers in Podunk, Idaho are "noble people". Nobody is noble because of their GENETICS, you anti-american, racist idiot.

 

[BrianH]

I agree that children should be taught a few things to be proud of...that would be covered in civics classes, which are being phased out for standardized testing curricula.

Why do you insist that I am anti-American? Just because I don't think people should blindly lockstep with our government? Have you seen what our government actually does?

I am proud to be American and ashamed of what we as a nation have done to innocent people. Like the Native American Indians. What will we teach our children about the genocide of these noble people in the name of empire expansion and capitalist gains? The same tired stories about how we helped them and how we were all friends on Thanksgiving? Nothing about the slaughter, the rape, the pillage, the forced concentration camps...I mean reservations.

Yeah, that's the way to build an apreciation for your country. There is a system to running a civilization, and when you raise kids telling them that their ancestors were horrible people and that the blood running in their veins stems from a genocidal era, I'm sure it will only bring out the worst in society. Nobody learns these things as children..., it's the same as not letting your kid watch a XXX film. History is rated X Taomon, and as long as you teach your children (when they're old enough) how history goes, then you don't have a problem. But changing elementary and junior high curricula is a little far-fetched and too politically correct. Every civilization, just like the human race itself, has a system set on self-preservation. If you raise the children of the nation to hate the things it's done, they'll all defect to another nation, or destroy the one they live in. I think the system is fine. Basic history is taught in the lower levels, and deep history is taught at the higher levels. The problem is that teachers are required to teach curricula that does not allow them to get into debth. Try teaching 200,000 + years in 187 days and then expect them to pass a standardized tests. Curricula is fine, but it needs to be spread out. And the really bad problem, is that most schools now days are pushing math and science and leaving Social Studies on the back-burner...

 

[jillian]

Some people just have to fight authority at every turn, regardless of whether something's a big deal or not. Unfortunately, they *indoctrinate* their children to do the same so they spend their lives tilting windmills instead of choosing their battles.