Sanctions on Russia

[Avorysuds]

If Putin is so wonderful, why are the US and the EU so much against him?

White House: EU, US to impose new Russia sanctions

Obama pushing for war with Russia, greeeaaat.

 

[JustSayNyet]

Putin has blood on his hands. Obama needs to get tough with Russia-- Tell Prezzy & Congress to ban Russian imports, and boycott Russian products, starting with Putin-endorsed fish disguised as American fish! Look up the JustSayNyet campaign to sign a petition!

-Just Say Nyet

 

[Two Thumbs]

If Putin is so wonderful, why are the US and the EU so much against him?

White House: EU, US to impose new Russia sanctions

there'a LOT of reasons.

He doesn't play along with them
he refuses to add more debt unlike the rest of us
he says what he means and backs it up instead of evolving for votes
he's a dick
he's being aggressive in a region that would get crushed if he so chose to do so

 

[Two Thumbs]

You got it twisted homie.....it's the Russians who are afraid of NATO, that's why they're in such a hurry, before the Ukraine can join NATO.

We took the Crimea because were afraid. Now I understood. Thanks.

Are you playing dumb now? Or maybe you're not playing. Russians are afraid the Ukraine will join NATO. Which part of that statement do you fail to comprehend?

no one gives a fuck about nato

true story

 

[Peach]

Along with new restrictions on free speech, Putin also imposed new taxes:

Putin OKs introduction of sales tax to prop up Russia?s economy - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch

 

[Peach]

It's not like Ukrain and Crimea are France or something. They're been part of the former USSR and seems they're gonna be again. This isn't outrage over who Russia invaded so much as resistance to a new USSR.

No sh*t.

 

[Vigilante]

Along with new restrictions on free speech, Putin also imposed new taxes:

Putin OKs introduction of sales tax to prop up Russia?s economy - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch

Sounds just like obuma and the Congressional democraps!

Obama And Democrats Want High Tax Rates For Special Privileges

Bismarck on the Potomac | National Review Online

 

[Katzndogz]

Along with new restrictions on free speech, Putin also imposed new taxes:

Putin OKs introduction of sales tax to prop up Russia?s economy - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch

Sounds just like obuma and the Congressional democraps!

Obama And Democrats Want High Tax Rates For Special Privileges

Bismarck on the Potomac | National Review Online

It's not even true! President Putin didn't impose any taxes. He gave regions the right to impose a tax of 3% if that region thought it needed the revenue. As I pay 10.5% sales tax 3% is barely a notice.

 

[Peach]

Along with new restrictions on free speech, Putin also imposed new taxes:

Putin OKs introduction of sales tax to prop up Russia?s economy - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch

Sounds just like obuma and the Congressional democraps!

Obama And Democrats Want High Tax Rates For Special Privileges

Bismarck on the Potomac | National Review Online

It's not even true! President Putin didn't impose any taxes. He gave regions the right to impose a tax of 3% if that region thought it needed the revenue. As I pay 10.5% sales tax 3% is barely a notice.

The Russian economy isn't in the same league as te US, Russians may feel the newset taxes. And I oppose more taxes targeted at specific areas of the economy. Florida, a Republican state, has increased every tax , fee, and assessment in sneaky ways. The sales tax has not increased, but more items are subject to the tax, the cost of a DL has gone up 250% since the "income tax cut" and less moey from the Feds. County revenue sharing was ended, so poorer counties doubled and tripled certain fees and assessments. Both parties "slip in" new taxes, and again, I object to these measures.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - Obama gonna deal with dem Commies too...

Exclusive: U.S. weighs sanctioning Russia as well as China in cyber attacks
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is considering sanctions against both Russian and Chinese individuals and companies for cyber attacks against U.S. commercial targets, several U.S. officials said on Monday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said no final decision had been made on imposing sanctions, which could strain relations with Russia further and, if they came soon, cast a pall over a state visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping in September. The Washington Post first reported the Obama administration was considering sanctioning Chinese targets, possibly within the next few weeks, and said that individuals and firms from other nations could also be targeted. It did not mention Russia.

A move against Chinese entities or individuals before Xi's trip, the officials said, is possible but unlikely because of the strain it could put on the top-level diplomatic visit, which will include a black-tie state dinner at the White House hosted by President Barack Obama. “The Chinese government staunchly upholds cyber security, firmly opposes and combats all forms of cyber attacks in accordance with law,” Chinese Embassy spokesman Zhu Haiquan said in a statement. He said China wants enhanced dialogue and cooperation with the United States and that “groundless speculation, hyping up or accusation is not helpful to solve the problem.” The Russian Embassy did not respond to Reuters requests for comment.

The U.S. government has suffered a series of embarrassing cyber attacks in recent months, including one on the White House Office of Personnel Management (OPM) that potentially provided a treasure trove of data about government employees to foreign spies. U.S. officials suspect that attack was linked to China, which has denied any involvement in hacking U.S. databases and says it too has been a victim of cyber attacks. The sanctions Washington is currently considering would not target suspected hackers of government data, but rather foreign citizens and firms believed responsible for cyber attacks on commercial enterprises, one official said. If taken, the action would be the administration’s first use of an executive order signed by Obama in April to crack down on foreign hackers accused of penetrating U.S. computer systems. The officials declined to name any potential targets, concerned that advance warning would allow them to hide assets.

One U.S. official said that sanctions imposed on individuals or companies would effectively cut them off from using the U.S. financial system, which could be a death-sentence for a serious business venture. The official also said that entities or individuals from countries other than Russia or China could face sanctions. Another U.S. official suggested that a decision on targeting Chinese entities could depend partly on whether diplomatic efforts, such as last week's visit by White House national security adviser Susan Rice to Beijing last week, produce positive results going forward. Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel visits China next weekend for further talks ahead of Xi's U.S. trip in the second half of September.

STRAINED U.S.- RUSSIAN RELATIONS

 

[Stratford57]

If the Baltic states were not NATO members they would be next on the menu.

Who cares about Baltic states? They were allowed to leave Soviet Union even before the it collapsed.
Take a look at some numbers. Population of 3 countries of Baltic states:

- in Estonia is less than 1.4 million
- in Lithuania is less than 3 million
- in Latvia is equal to 2.013 million.
All together are less than 6.5 million.No industry. Agriculture and tourism (in summer) are their only income. BTW, Russian sanctions hurt them the most.

And compare to population of just 2 big cities of Russia:
- in Moscow equal to 11.92 million
- in St. Petersburg is equal to 4.991 million.
Baltic states could be a subject of interest only for NATO, because the best they can do is to bark at Russia hiding behind the US&EU.

The relationship of Russia and Ukraine through the centuries is completely different.

1. Eastern part of Ukraine (half of the 40 million country) as well as Belarus were parts of Russia for centuries, many centuries before the world even heard about the USA existence. Russia was called “Kiev Russia” and Kiev was called ”the mother of Russian cities”. In 988 Prince Vladimir has started baptizing the people of Russia in the river Dnepr, city of Kiev.

This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.
Christianization of Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’

So, for Russia Ukraine basically is the same people, for half of a country Russian is still the first language (in spite of a forced total ukrainization of Russian speaking population, which started as soon as Ukraine became “independent”) . When Junta came to the power after the coup and started genocide of its population (killing the ones who disagree with it, pulling the people into the war and misery), we can understand Russia/Putin’s concerns about it. What we don’t understand: what’s the USA business there. USA have had nothing to do with Ukraine in the past, while the blood obviously is thicker than water.

2. In 1922 after the October revolution Lenin “gave“ a part of Russia (which is now Eastern Ukraine) to Ukrainian republic ( to raise the percentage of proletariat in Ukrainian republic), however it was within the same country of the USSR. Later in 1954 Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian republic.

(The history of Western Ukraine is different).

3. In 1992 three crooks (Yeltsyn, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington’s blessing have separated Ukraine and Belarus’ from Russia and declared them separate countries. So, they have been called separate countries for 24 years (can 24 years be compared to centuries?). The people living in Eastern Ukraine (including myself) felt like treir Motherland has been stolen from them and found themselves living in a foreign and not friendly country of Ukraine. However Western Ukrainians were happy. (And since then what makes Western Ukrainians happy is bad for Eastern Ukrainians and vise verse).

About 70 or 80% of the people in Eastern Ukraine want to stay in a Custom Union with Russia, Belarus’ and Kazakhstan. And Western Ukrainians want to join the EU and tear Ukraine away from Russia for good. And that’s why Kiev has pulled its troops to Donbass

 

[PK1]

Granny says, "Dat's right - Obama gonna deal with dem Commies too...

Exclusive: U.S. weighs sanctioning Russia as well as China in cyber attacks
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is considering sanctions against both Russian and Chinese individuals and companies for cyber attacks against U.S. commercial targets, several U.S. officials said on Monday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said no final decision had been made on imposing sanctions, which could strain relations with Russia further and, if they came soon, cast a pall over a state visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping in September. The Washington Post first reported the Obama administration was considering sanctioning Chinese targets, possibly within the next few weeks, and said that individuals and firms from other nations could also be targeted. It did not mention Russia.

A move against Chinese entities or individuals before Xi's trip, the officials said, is possible but unlikely because of the strain it could put on the top-level diplomatic visit, which will include a black-tie state dinner at the White House hosted by President Barack Obama. “The Chinese government staunchly upholds cyber security, firmly opposes and combats all forms of cyber attacks in accordance with law,” Chinese Embassy spokesman Zhu Haiquan said in a statement. He said China wants enhanced dialogue and cooperation with the United States and that “groundless speculation, hyping up or accusation is not helpful to solve the problem.” The Russian Embassy did not respond to Reuters requests for comment.

The U.S. government has suffered a series of embarrassing cyber attacks in recent months, including one on the White House Office of Personnel Management (OPM) that potentially provided a treasure trove of data about government employees to foreign spies. U.S. officials suspect that attack was linked to China, which has denied any involvement in hacking U.S. databases and says it too has been a victim of cyber attacks. The sanctions Washington is currently considering would not target suspected hackers of government data, but rather foreign citizens and firms believed responsible for cyber attacks on commercial enterprises, one official said. If taken, the action would be the administration’s first use of an executive order signed by Obama in April to crack down on foreign hackers accused of penetrating U.S. computer systems. The officials declined to name any potential targets, concerned that advance warning would allow them to hide assets.

One U.S. official said that sanctions imposed on individuals or companies would effectively cut them off from using the U.S. financial system, which could be a death-sentence for a serious business venture. The official also said that entities or individuals from countries other than Russia or China could face sanctions. Another U.S. official suggested that a decision on targeting Chinese entities could depend partly on whether diplomatic efforts, such as last week's visit by White House national security adviser Susan Rice to Beijing last week, produce positive results going forward. Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel visits China next weekend for further talks ahead of Xi's U.S. trip in the second half of September.

STRAINED U.S.- RUSSIAN RELATIONS

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"sanctions imposed on individuals or companies would effectively cut them off from using the U.S. financial system, which could be a death-sentence for a serious business venture. "

Can't say the same about Russia's lame "financial system".

Unfortunately, like N.Korea's "financial system", the Kremlin's current repressive leader cares more about their military might than their non-military population. The people are only important to support the regime.
HOWEVER, with continued international sanctions, the weaker Russian economy will negatively impact their military expenditures too, even with their cheap labor from East/Donbass Ukrainian immigrants and nationalistic Russians terrorizing Eastern Ukraine, the "former" producer of Russian military components.
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[PK1]

If the Baltic states were not NATO members they would be next on the menu.

Who cares about Baltic states? They were allowed to leave Soviet Union even before the it collapsed.
Take a look at some numbers. Population of 3 countries of Baltic states:

- in Estonia is less than 1.4 million
- in Lithuania is less than 3 million
- in Latvia is equal to 2.013 million.
All together are less than 6.5 million.No industry. Agriculture and tourism (in summer) are their only income. BTW, Russian sanctions hurt them the most.

And compare to population of just 2 big cities of Russia:
- in Moscow equal to 11.92 million
- in St. Petersburg is equal to 4.991 million.
Baltic states could be a subject of interest only for NATO, because the best they can do is to bark at Russia hiding behind the US&EU.

The relationship of Russia and Ukraine through the centuries is completely different.

1. Eastern part of Ukraine (half of the 40 million country) as well as Belarus were parts of Russia for centuries, many centuries before the world even heard about the USA existence. Russia was called “Kiev Russia” and Kiev was called ”the mother of Russian cities”. In 988 Prince Vladimir has started baptizing the people of Russia in the river Dnepr, city of Kiev.

This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.
Christianization of Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’

So, for Russia Ukraine basically is the same people, for half of a country Russian is still the first language (in spite of a forced total ukrainization of Russian speaking population, which started as soon as Ukraine became “independent”) . When Junta came to the power after the coup and started genocide of its population (killing the ones who disagree with it, pulling the people into the war and misery), we can understand Russia/Putin’s concerns about it. What we don’t understand: what’s the USA business there. USA have had nothing to do with Ukraine in the past, while the blood obviously is thicker than water.

2. In 1922 after the October revolution Lenin “gave“ a part of Russia (which is now Eastern Ukraine) to Ukrainian republic ( to raise the percentage of proletariat in Ukrainian republic), however it was within the same country of the USSR. Later in 1954 Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian republic.

(The history of Western Ukraine is different).

3. In 1992 three crooks (Yeltsyn, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington’s blessing have separated Ukraine and Belarus’ from Russia and declared them separate countries. So, they have been called separate countries for 24 years (can 24 years be compared to centuries?). The people living in Eastern Ukraine (including myself) felt like treir Motherland has been stolen from them and found themselves living in a foreign and not friendly country of Ukraine. However Western Ukrainians were happy. (And since then what makes Western Ukrainians happy is bad for Eastern Ukrainians and vise verse).

About 70 or 80% of the people in Eastern Ukraine want to stay in a Custom Union with Russia, Belarus’ and Kazakhstan. And Western Ukrainians want to join the EU and tear Ukraine away from Russia for good. And that’s why Kiev has pulled its troops to Donbass

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Hey Stratford, I see you're continuing to post your Russian propaganda, pretending you're Ukrainian. LOL.

Please feel free to provide evidence that most Eastern Ukrainians prefer to break away from Ukraine.
Your lies only work on ignorant readers, but I admit your lies are effective for that reason.
How much is that Putin asshole paying you?
.

 

[Stratford57]

If the Baltic states were not NATO members they would be next on the menu.

Who cares about Baltic states? They were allowed to leave Soviet Union even before the it collapsed.
Take a look at some numbers. Population of 3 countries of Baltic states:

- in Estonia is less than 1.4 million
- in Lithuania is less than 3 million
- in Latvia is equal to 2.013 million.
All together are less than 6.5 million.No industry. Agriculture and tourism (in summer) are their only income. BTW, Russian sanctions hurt them the most.

And compare to population of just 2 big cities of Russia:
- in Moscow equal to 11.92 million
- in St. Petersburg is equal to 4.991 million.
Baltic states could be a subject of interest only for NATO, because the best they can do is to bark at Russia hiding behind the US&EU.

The relationship of Russia and Ukraine through the centuries is completely different.

1. Eastern part of Ukraine (half of the 40 million country) as well as Belarus were parts of Russia for centuries, many centuries before the world even heard about the USA existence. Russia was called “Kiev Russia” and Kiev was called ”the mother of Russian cities”. In 988 Prince Vladimir has started baptizing the people of Russia in the river Dnepr, city of Kiev.

This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.
Christianization of Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’

So, for Russia Ukraine basically is the same people, for half of a country Russian is still the first language (in spite of a forced total ukrainization of Russian speaking population, which started as soon as Ukraine became “independent”) . When Junta came to the power after the coup and started genocide of its population (killing the ones who disagree with it, pulling the people into the war and misery), we can understand Russia/Putin’s concerns about it. What we don’t understand: what’s the USA business there. USA have had nothing to do with Ukraine in the past, while the blood obviously is thicker than water.

2. In 1922 after the October revolution Lenin “gave“ a part of Russia (which is now Eastern Ukraine) to Ukrainian republic ( to raise the percentage of proletariat in Ukrainian republic), however it was within the same country of the USSR. Later in 1954 Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian republic.

(The history of Western Ukraine is different).

3. In 1992 three crooks (Yeltsyn, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington’s blessing have separated Ukraine and Belarus’ from Russia and declared them separate countries. So, they have been called separate countries for 24 years (can 24 years be compared to centuries?). The people living in Eastern Ukraine (including myself) felt like treir Motherland has been stolen from them and found themselves living in a foreign and not friendly country of Ukraine. However Western Ukrainians were happy. (And since then what makes Western Ukrainians happy is bad for Eastern Ukrainians and vise verse).

About 70 or 80% of the people in Eastern Ukraine want to stay in a Custom Union with Russia, Belarus’ and Kazakhstan. And Western Ukrainians want to join the EU and tear Ukraine away from Russia for good. And that’s why Kiev has pulled its troops to Donbass

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Hey Stratford, I see you're continuing to post your Russian propaganda, pretending you're Ukrainian. LOL.

Please feel free to provide evidence that most Eastern Ukrainians prefer to break away from Ukraine.
Your lies only work on ignorant readers, but I admit your lies are effective for that reason.
How much is that Putin asshole paying you?
.

PK, according to you presenting the actual numbers of Baltic states' population and some historical facts is Russian propaganda? Something is definitely wrong with you. You need to see a mental doctor. Urgently.

 

[PK1]

If the Baltic states were not NATO members they would be next on the menu.

Who cares about Baltic states? They were allowed to leave Soviet Union even before the it collapsed.
Take a look at some numbers. Population of 3 countries of Baltic states:

- in Estonia is less than 1.4 million
- in Lithuania is less than 3 million
- in Latvia is equal to 2.013 million.
All together are less than 6.5 million.No industry. Agriculture and tourism (in summer) are their only income. BTW, Russian sanctions hurt them the most.

And compare to population of just 2 big cities of Russia:
- in Moscow equal to 11.92 million
- in St. Petersburg is equal to 4.991 million.
Baltic states could be a subject of interest only for NATO, because the best they can do is to bark at Russia hiding behind the US&EU.

The relationship of Russia and Ukraine through the centuries is completely different.

1. Eastern part of Ukraine (half of the 40 million country) as well as Belarus were parts of Russia for centuries, many centuries before the world even heard about the USA existence. Russia was called “Kiev Russia” and Kiev was called ”the mother of Russian cities”. In 988 Prince Vladimir has started baptizing the people of Russia in the river Dnepr, city of Kiev.

This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.
Christianization of Kievan Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’

So, for Russia Ukraine basically is the same people, for half of a country Russian is still the first language (in spite of a forced total ukrainization of Russian speaking population, which started as soon as Ukraine became “independent”) . When Junta came to the power after the coup and started genocide of its population (killing the ones who disagree with it, pulling the people into the war and misery), we can understand Russia/Putin’s concerns about it. What we don’t understand: what’s the USA business there. USA have had nothing to do with Ukraine in the past, while the blood obviously is thicker than water.

2. In 1922 after the October revolution Lenin “gave“ a part of Russia (which is now Eastern Ukraine) to Ukrainian republic ( to raise the percentage of proletariat in Ukrainian republic), however it was within the same country of the USSR. Later in 1954 Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian republic.

(The history of Western Ukraine is different).

3. In 1992 three crooks (Yeltsyn, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington’s blessing have separated Ukraine and Belarus’ from Russia and declared them separate countries. So, they have been called separate countries for 24 years (can 24 years be compared to centuries?). The people living in Eastern Ukraine (including myself) felt like treir Motherland has been stolen from them and found themselves living in a foreign and not friendly country of Ukraine. However Western Ukrainians were happy. (And since then what makes Western Ukrainians happy is bad for Eastern Ukrainians and vise verse).

About 70 or 80% of the people in Eastern Ukraine want to stay in a Custom Union with Russia, Belarus’ and Kazakhstan. And Western Ukrainians want to join the EU and tear Ukraine away from Russia for good. And that’s why Kiev has pulled its troops to Donbass

---
Hey Stratford, I see you're continuing to post your Russian propaganda, pretending you're Ukrainian. LOL.

Please feel free to provide evidence that most Eastern Ukrainians prefer to break away from Ukraine.
Your lies only work on ignorant readers, but I admit your lies are effective for that reason.
How much is that Putin asshole paying you?
.

PK, according to you presenting the actual numbers of Baltic states' population and some historical facts is Russian propaganda? Something is definitely wrong with you. You need to see a mental doctor. Urgently.

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Another nice try, PP (Putin Puppet).
So, you could not provide evidence that most Eastern Ukrainians prefer to break away from Ukraine? LOL.

Instead, you divert to Baltic states and "historical facts"?
How about this modern era FACT:
Ukraine has been independent from the communist-era USSR (real crooks)
for 25 years now, and UN countries recognize that, including Russia!

So, maybe Putin should get his big Жopa (asshole) out of eastern Ukraine, and look elsewhere for cheap labor to produce Russian military weapons/components ...
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[Sonc]

So, you could not provide evidence that most Eastern Ukrainians prefer to break away from Ukraine? LOL.

When I read the Ukrainians I feel sorry for these poor mental people who can not do the elementary logical operations.

1) The only evidence may only be a referendum.
But how can you spend it in the war?

If Poroshenko, or you believe that it is not. What the East wants to be with Ukraine ... Why shoot?
Insist on the referendum ... Observers from the United Nations.
And closes the matter one once and for all.
So how did England.

But I have not heard that the government of Ukraine ... min .... at least .... discussing this option.
But I heard such discussions were prohibited.

Probably because of the confidence that the East did not want to separate. Yes?

 

[Sonc]

2) You've seen how looks occupied countries?

If the population perceives the situation as the occupation of the enemy ... what happens?

It starts a guerrilla war.
Subversive war in the Donbass lead very simple.
You can not distinguish between pro-Russian by pro-Ukrainian.

In such conditions it is very easy to blow up bombs on the roads ... destroying equipment in the rear. fuel trucks. Military depots.

Where is it?
Where at least one frame of a sniper killing of Russian soldiers in the Crimea?
Where at least 1 ter. act in the Crimea?


Where recording kills Russian soldiers in the Lugansk and Donetsk ...
What would the whole world saw that the people of these republics resist ... Russian invaders.

As this videodeo, for example.



No such video? =))))))
But I found one interesting video ...




Oh. Whose flag is on the technique? Somewhere I saw it ... I remember. This is the flag of Ukraine.
Why do people shout their defenders "cocksucker"? A?


Save my brain from the Russian propaganda. Explain it to me.