Same Sex Marriage - For or Against it?

[Noomi]

I'm sorry if this is an issue that has been beaten to death here, but I've only been a member for about a week and haven't really seen it discussed in detail.

So...are you for or against same sex couples entering into a civil marriage in the United States? Why or why not?

I happen to be in favor of it. I'm a gay man in Texas who is waiting for the law to change so I can marry the man I've spent the last nine years with.

In favor, because there is no logical reason why they shouldn't.

 

[Noomi]

I'm against it. I want for the union btwn you and your partner to have all the rights and protection of tradional marriage but see no reason to blur longstanding definitions and understandings that has been with society for centuries over.

Marriage is already defined, husband(man) and wife(woman).

If unions between gay couples are given the exact same rights, you have to call those unions marriage. The only way it wouldn't be marriage is if the rights afforded were different.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Most gay people are liberals, and most liberals disregard the Bible or are flat out atheists. Also, most gay people reject the Bible because it forbids homosexuality. Therefore, I don't understand why gays and liberals would want to participate in marriage at all, unless the real objective is to undermine religion.

That is absolutely incorrect and nothing could be farther from the truth! There are more Christian Gay and Lesbian Citizens than you care to realize. They worship at church on Sundays and at other times just like their straight counterparts do and even alongside their straight counterparts. Are you surprised? Be Very Sure to take a GOOD look at all of the following Christian churches GLBT people go to worship at.

Gay Christian Online - Links - Gay and Lesbian Affirming Christian Churches

https://christiangays.com/links/christian_other.shtml

LGBT Ministries

Metropolitan Community Churches - The Inclusive Church - All are welcome

 

[S.J.]

Most gay people are liberals, and most liberals disregard the Bible or are flat out atheists. Also, most gay people reject the Bible because it forbids homosexuality. Therefore, I don't understand why gays and liberals would want to participate in marriage at all, unless the real objective is to undermine religion.

That is absolutely incorrect and nothing could be farther from the truth! There are more Christian Gay and Lesbian Citizens than you care to realize. They worship at church on Sundays and at other times just like their straight counterparts do and even alongside their straight counterparts. Are you surprised? Be Very Sure to take a GOOD look at all of the following Christian churches GLBT people go to worship at.

Gay Christian Online - Links - Gay and Lesbian Affirming Christian Churches

https://christiangays.com/links/christian_other.shtml

LGBT Ministries

Metropolitan Community Churches - The Inclusive Church - All are welcome

What is your point, that some gay people go to church? Fine, I'm glad they are seeking God, but to pretend that homosexuality is not a sin is to deny the word of God. You can't cherry pick God's word and his laws, and churches that accommodate the notion that it's not a sin are rejecting the word of God. Therefore they are not legitimate representatives of Christianity.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm against it because I'm against public gayness. If you kept it private I wouldn't care.
I'm against this --> https://www.google.com/search?q=gay...OkyATenIDgDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1149&bih=895

Why?

It's disgusting.
It shouldn't be in public view where Children might see.

And this is an example of the ignorance, hate, and stupidity from which the Constitution and its case law protects our civil liberties, including the right of same-sex couples to access marriage law they're eligible to participate in.

 

[Inevitable]

I'm against it because I'm against public gayness. If you kept it private I wouldn't care.
I'm against this --> https://www.google.com/search?q=gay...OkyATenIDgDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1149&bih=895

Why?

It's disgusting.
It shouldn't be in public view where Children might see.

Your sensitivities are not in the public's interest. If you find it disgusting, you are welcome to not be in public. Children seeing people kiss or what not isn't that big of a deal. They live in the world where homosexuals exist and two women holding hands isn't exactly pornography. What are you worried about children seeing? People in bathing suits? People kissing? What would happen to the children? Would a boy seeing two men kiss become gay? So are you telling me the only reason you aren't gay it's because you didn't see two men kiss or walk around in bathing suits?

If find it disgusting, funny participate. If people showing mild amounts of affection in public bothers you, stay out of public. The world doesn't stop over somebody with a peanut allergy, so it shouldn't stop over your insecurities.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Anyone who thinks kids are going to be harmed by seeing PDAs of homosexuals are ignorant of history,

"According to D’Emilio and Freedman (1988), young people in colonial America learned about sexuality through two primary mechanisms. In these agrarian communities, observation of sexual activity among animals was common. Observation of sexual activity among adults was also common, since families lived in small, often-unpartitioned dwellings, where it was not unusual for adults and children to sleep together."
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America

Used to be kids saw parents and relatives having actual sex. But you think they can't handle a kiss or embrace? Wow.

 

[Slyhunter]

The point is you are never going to get my vote for same sex marriage as long as you keep doing outlandish things such as the gay day parades or the Catholic church invasions. This is how you make me your enemy not your friend.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Justice isn't by consensus. If we'd put interracial marriage to a vote way back when it would have failed.

 

[Inevitable]

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What is your point, that some gay people go to church? Fine, I'm glad they are seeking God, but to pretend that homosexuality is not a sin is to deny the word of God.

No it isn't, God's word never said it was a sin. That is poor interpretation, or noneon your part.

You can't cherry pick God's word and his laws, and churches that accommodate the notion that it's not a sin are rejecting the word of God.

You absolutely can and every Christian does cherry pick the biblical law. Some of it absolutely should not be followed, some of it is completely backward and wicked, exactly why it most certainly not be the word of God. If my mother and father can accept and love me they are more merciful and thus more perfect than your biblical concepts of God. thus your view of God is flawed or your God is flawed And thus not worthy of my worship.

Therefore they are not legitimate representatives of Christianity.

No true Scotsman fallacy.

So am I to believe that all churches that disagree with your poor or non-existent interpretations and who do not agree with your less perfect unmerciful concept of a god aren't Christian because you don't agree with them? Who are you? A prophet? The bible. is open to interpretation, and your interpretation is that of a god that is a worse person than my parents. Clearly your interpretations are incorrect and really don't serve to help you become closer to God but feel justified in your prejudice.

I am sorry, I reject your opinions and interpretations.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Homosexuality isn't against God. It's against Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. But God isn't limited to any single human-created religion. And seeing as how He made thousands of other animals exhibit homosexuality, you'll be hard-pressed to prove how it's against God. If God made those animals, and they exhibit homosexual behaviours, since animals can't sin (ask your clergy,) and we're just another created animal (Genesis 2,) despite what Man wrote about homosexuality, God seems to not have a problem with it.

 

[Inevitable]

The point is you are never going to get my vote for same sex marriage

What makes you think your vote matters?

as long as you keep doing outlandish things such as the gay day parades or the Catholic church invasions. This is how you make me your enemy not your friend.

Those things are guaranteed rights by the first amendment ofthe constitution. So you wish to suspend first amendment rights to citizens based on their sexual orientation?

I wouldn't want you as a friend, the conditions of your friendship are too high. You will support homosexuals if they forfeit their first amendment rights? With a friend like that who needs enemies.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Sorry. I'm not in favor of gay marriage. I think it's wrong. Call me "old fashioned" or what ever you wish to call me, I think homosexual behavior is wrong and I don't support it. Just because it's "trendy" doesn't make it right. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"Old fashioned" people didn't meddle in other people's business. Consider that before casting a vote against this or anything else.

Also, it's not 'trendy' or wrong nor is marriage just between a man and a woman unless you limit your belief to a given religion or religions. Marriage existed long before Christianity did.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Most gay people are liberals, and most liberals disregard the Bible or are flat out atheists. Also, most gay people reject the Bible because it forbids homosexuality. Therefore, I don't understand why gays and liberals would want to participate in marriage at all, unless the real objective is to undermine religion.

That is absolutely incorrect and nothing could be farther from the truth! There are more Christian Gay and Lesbian Citizens than you care to realize. They worship at church on Sundays and at other times just like their straight counterparts do and even alongside their straight counterparts. Are you surprised? Be Very Sure to take a GOOD look at all of the following Christian churches GLBT people go to worship at.

Gay Christian Online - Links - Gay and Lesbian Affirming Christian Churches

https://christiangays.com/links/christian_other.shtml

LGBT Ministries

Metropolitan Community Churches - The Inclusive Church - All are welcome

What is your point, that some gay people go to church? Fine, I'm glad they are seeking God, but to pretend that homosexuality is not a sin is to deny the word of God. You can't cherry pick God's word and his laws, and churches that accommodate the notion that it's not a sin are rejecting the word of God. Therefore they are not legitimate representatives of Christianity.

HomoCons like to twist God's Word for their own pitiful convenience. God's Word never did say it was a sin. Had it been, Jesus would have condemned it. Clearly He did not. He never spoke one word against Homosexuality. And even God did not condemn the sexual orientation of GLBT people. If it had been an actual sin, in His Divine omniscience He would have made an Eleventh Commandment prohibiting it. He did not. But since it is He who creates each and every human being He knew it was not sinful. It was man, unfortunately, who tried to gain superiority over others in this matter who started using inappropriate Scriptures to try to justify their bigotry, intolerance, and discrimination.

Would Jesus Discriminate? - Biblical Evidence

Evangelicals admit the Sodom story has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Shrine Prostitutes are never said to be homosexuals in the Bible.

This is the Scripture you should embrace and the rest of the HomoCons before you start pointing the finger at others. Look in your own back yard first.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest, not the beam that is in thine own eye? THOU HYPOCRITE, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye." LUKE 6:41-42 KJV
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[PoliticalTorch]

The point is you are never going to get my vote for same sex marriage

What makes you think your vote matters?

as long as you keep doing outlandish things such as the gay day parades or the Catholic church invasions. This is how you make me your enemy not your friend.

Those things are guaranteed rights by the first amendment ofthe constitution. So you wish to suspend first amendment rights to citizens based on their sexual orientation?

I wouldn't want you as a friend, the conditions of your friendship are too high. You will support homosexuals if they forfeit their first amendment rights? With a friend like that who needs enemies.

You Are Spot On!!

 

[PoliticalTorch]

"Old fashioned" people didn't meddle in other people's business. Consider that before casting a vote against this or anything else.

Also, it's not 'trendy' or wrong nor is marriage just between a man and a woman unless you limit your belief to a given religion or religions. Marriage existed long before Christianity did.

Same-Sex Marriage DID exist many centuries ago and it is now returning. Here's proof from a learned University Professor and Scholar and Chairman of the History Department.

Anthropologist Community - When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Why?

It's disgusting.
It shouldn't be in public view where Children might see.

Your sensitivities are not in the public's interest. If you find it disgusting, you are welcome to not be in public. Children seeing people kiss or what not isn't that big of a deal. They live in the world where homosexuals exist and two women holding hands isn't exactly pornography. What are you worried about children seeing? People in bathing suits? People kissing? What would happen to the children? Would a boy seeing two men kiss become gay? So are you telling me the only reason you aren't gay it's because you didn't see two men kiss or walk around in bathing suits?

If find it disgusting, funny participate. If people showing mild amounts of affection in public bothers you, stay out of public. The world doesn't stop over somebody with a peanut allergy, so it shouldn't stop over your insecurities.

BRAVO!!

 

[Slyhunter]

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What is your point, that some gay people go to church? Fine, I'm glad they are seeking God, but to pretend that homosexuality is not a sin is to deny the word of God.

No it isn't, God's word never said it was a sin. That is poor interpretation, or noneon your part.

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Since marriage is between man and woman any sex at all with anyone other than their accepted spouse is sin. And a spouse can only be someone of the opposite sex.

Question: "What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"

Answer: While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.

Whenever the Bible mentions marriage, it is between a male and a female.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html#ixzz37BRFsZXM

All you got to do is read.
Playing lawyer and nitpicking the rules doesn't work in "God's world".

 

[Inevitable]

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What is your point, that some gay people go to church? Fine, I'm glad they are seeking God, but to pretend that homosexuality is not a sin is to deny the word of God.

No it isn't, God's word never said it was a sin. That is poor interpretation, or noneon your part.

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Since marriage is between man and woman any sex at all with anyone other than their accepted spouse is sin. And a spouse can only be someone of the opposite sex.

Oh Lord every anti Ssm arguer's bastion of false hope. Crudely interpret the bible for me and expect that be the final word. Tsk tsk tsk.

Marriage can be between two men or two women. Sorry it wouldn't be adultery if they were married, but even if they weren't, Jesus promisedhe would forgive those sins in Mark.

Question: "What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"

Answer: While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.

Whenever the Bible mentions marriage, it is between a male and a female.

Read more: What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?

All you got to do is read.
Playing lawyer and nitpicking the rules doesn't work in "God's world".

So the bible never forbids marriage of two people ofthe same sex, I already knew that.

I can interpret the bible any way I wish, God's world isn't this world. If I was wrong, youwill never know.

But I don't need a charlatan that knows nothing of God's world yelling me is make believe rulesfor his interpretation of God's world. That crap only works for you. If you know you are right and I am wrong, you won't convince me, I don't go by word of mouth.