Safety net for the poor

[sfcalifornia]

SAFETY NET FOR THE POOR SINCE 1967


$431,000,000,000.00

Fuck, that ain't shit.

They need mo'

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Perhaps if the Education budget of 3% came even close to the Defense budget of 25% we wouldn't be spending 12% of our budget on welfare.

Bullshit

One of the principal reasons we got into the mess we're in is that we allowed schooling to become a very profitable monopoly, guaranteed its customers by the police power of the state. Systematic schooling attracts increased investment only when it does poorly, and since there are no penalties at all for such performance, the temptation not to do well is overwhelming. That's because school staffs, both line and management, are involved in a guild system; in that ancient form of association no single member is allowed to outperform any other member, is allowed to advertise or is allowed to introduce new technology or improvise without the advance consent of the guild. Violation of these precepts is severely sanctioned – as Marva Collins, Jaime Escalante and a large number of once-brilliant teachers found out."

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In THIS country, that plan might work well in a Republican fantasy land but tell me, how do you break the cycle of ignorance when it's the parents who are teaching their kids the "benefits" of a life-long commitment to Section 8 and Food Stamps?

Besides, plenty of studies have shown that kids who start school at an early age fare much better later in life.

The Effects of Early Education on Children in Povertyhttp://www.tc.columbia.edu/sie/journal/Volume_4/Johnson_Website Final.pdf

High-quality early childhood education has the greatest positive effect on children from lower socioeconomic status, children who are at risk because of other circumstances, and children with disabilities and special needs (Stegelin, 2004). Recent brain research has verified the importance of cognitive and social development in the early years (Begley, 2000).
Early Childhood Education | National Dropout Prevention Center/Network


Early schooling matters most for children | Education | guardian.co.uk

Kindergarten is too late! | ETL Learning| For your child's success

 

[Contumacious]

By all means make state assistance available to those who genuinely need it, but make it a two-way street where the recipient's job seeking is effectively scrutinised whilst legally reserving the option of withdrawing said assistance as a result of unsatisfactory efforts to seek/find work from the unemployed.

1) The US has NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to compel Americans to support those who "genuinely" need financial assistance - the authority was USURPED because we are being governed by a continuing criminal enterprise;

2) Those who receive state assistance ought to prevented from voting in order to prevent folks , like Obama, who are socialist and like to cater to the parasitic faction;

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[Contumacious]

Although I support a welfare system that takes an active/relentless role in finding their clients a job, the endemic absence of constructive checks and balances across the board means that the safety net has become a fishing net used to trawl the system for whatever benefits it can yield. By all means make state assistance available to those who genuinely need it, but make it a two-way street where the recipient's job seeking is effectively scrutinised whilst legally reserving the option of withdrawing said assistance as a result of unsatisfactory efforts to seek/find work from the unemployed.

Start hiring more government employees to do that then. Create jobs!

It depends on whose funds are being used to create those jobs.

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[Contumacious]

952 billion from the same chart for defense. Defense is important, but aiding citizens in need is not? What then are we defending?

Defense is Constitutionally mandated, twerp.

True.

But in a fascist country such as ours, the welfare states incorporates the military into its operations.

Point 7. Militarism is a mainstay of government spending.

Have you ever noticed that the military budget is never seriously discussed in policy debates? The US spends more than most of the rest of the world combined.

And yet to hear our leaders talk, the US is just a tiny commercial republic that wants peace but is constantly under threat from the world. They would have us believe that we all stand naked and vulnerable. The whole thing is a ghastly lie. The US is a global military empire and the main threat to peace around the world today.

To visualize US military spending as compared with other countries is truly shocking. One bar chart you can easily look up shows the US trillion-dollar-plus military budget as a skyscraper surrounded by tiny huts. As for the next highest spender, China spends 1/10th as much as the US."

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[Contumacious]

952 billion from the same chart for defense. Defense is important, but aiding citizens in need is not? What then are we defending?

Defense is Constitutionally mandated, twerp.

There is no mandate for us to waste that much money on it.

No there isn't.

But the military allows the welfare state sponsors to conceal the income redistribution schemes.

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[LilOlLady]

SAFETY NET FOR THE POOR SINCE 1967


$431,000,000,000.00

Fuck, that ain't shit.

They need mo'

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That an't shit. Some of it was contributed by the poor before they become poor. They did not say they needed more, you did dumb fuck.
If we did not take care of those in foreign countries that money could be spent on the poor who are the new poor whose jobs were sent to china and india and their safety nets or jobs and not handouts.

 

[LilOlLady]

If not for safety nets for the poor you granny would be on the street pushing a shopping cart full of her belongings. GOD forbid you never need help.
How many government hand outs do you get now?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If not for safety nets for the poor you granny would be on the street pushing a shopping cart full of her belongings. GOD forbid you never need help.
How many government hand outs do you get now?

$0.00

Point?

 

[Paulie]

Only $431 billion since 1967?

Hell! that's not much at all if that number is even right. (which I have my doubts about).

Also, the link takes us to your chart which included employment compensation as WEFARE.

Employment conpensation is not welfare.

It's prepaid emplyment insurance.

Meanwhile how much was spent on other items in the budget since 1967?

Only a very small fraction of individual unemployment benefits are actually funded by a respective individual. Go look at your last pay stub for the fiscal year and tell me your total unemployment contribution is anywhere even CLOSE to the amount you would be eligible to collect.

 

[Contumacious]

431 BBBBBBBBBBBillion dollar per year.


So WHY the fucketh are they still poe'.

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They breed.


And then they want MORE!

This is how the wealthy in this country see the poor.

They have the compassion of sharks

This is how demagogue politicians see the poor : A means to acquire wealth, power and influence.

They have the compassion of wolves.

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[Contumacious]

Yawn....still is small in comparison to corporate welfare.

Remember who got the bailout after the financial crisis? Wall St. or Main St?


Yet, Contards, blame the poor for welfare. When will you fucking assholes start attacking corporate welfare with the same passion that you attack the poor?

Excuse me son, but I am not a "conservative" as a LIBERTARIAN I oppose welfare , period. All forms and all shapes

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TOO BAD!

you are not the majority and this is a democracy.

Stupid me thought that we live in a Constitutional Republic where our rights are UNALIENABLE.

Oh well, you live and learn.

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[California Girl]

Just so you know.... if Obama refuses to waiver the Catholic Church, you're gonna have to add several billion - I'd say around $60 billion per annum or so to the bill. That's a conservative number.... based on what we currently provide.

 

[Contumacious]

Defense is Constitutionally mandated, twerp.

There is no mandate for us to waste that much money on it.

There is no mandate to pay off moochers to vote for politicians so they can keep thier power over us.

The socialist/fascist faction get their instructions from the Communist Manifesto:

"The other gem in chapter two immediately follows the observation that the proletariat must first seize control of "political supremacy". Once that is accomplished, well, Marx and Engels say it best: "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…"

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[Contumacious]

Only $431 billion since 1967?
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It was 6 BBBBillion per annum , actually , since 1964, it has increased up to 431 BBBB in 2012.

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[Contumacious]

952 billion from the same chart for defense. Defense is important, but aiding citizens in need is not? What then are we defending?

That defense figure is hiding many social programs, its the only way dems would sign off on the defense budget.

So those figures can not be trusted. That isnt from me either but the recent audit by the GOA

Correct.

The military is used as another wealth distribution scam.

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[Contumacious]

952 billion from the same chart for defense. Defense is important, but aiding citizens in need is not? What then are we defending?

The Pentagon.

It's cheaper to feed the poor than to keep them locked up in jails.

Conservatives see jail as an appropriate ‘solution’ for the ‘crime’ of poverty.

The 1997 Senate hearings on IRA abuses showed that the fascists see jail and illegal property seizures as an appropriate "solution" for the crime of owning property.

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[Claudette]

Well I'm one American who's tired of supporting the poor.

 

[Full-Auto]

Well I'm one American who's tired of supporting the poor.

Cheap shot!!!


we are 15 trillion in debt. That suggests no one is paying their way.

 

[Truthmatters]

Just look at it as insurance against looting, widespread revolt and food riots. It's cheaper to feed the poor than to keep them locked up in jails. Don't think it can't happen here, a hungry man will steal to eat in any country.

Here in Texas we have the right to shoot and ask questions later.

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Ahhhh..... the real Conservative Ideology... Shoot the poor.... glad you fuckers finally admitted it.

The TRUE underbelly of the right is begining to show.

They are the most unjesus like people and are the ones who plaster Jesus's image all over what they do to spew hate on the poor.

How can people be so stupid as to think this will win them and election?

 

[DiamondDave]

952 billion from the same chart for defense. Defense is important, but aiding citizens in need is not? What then are we defending?

The freedom of those citizens to succeed or fail ALL ON THEIR OWN... That is what is supposed to be defended... each little personal want or need of citizens is not supposed to be provided by big mommy government if they can't or won't do it for themselves