Rumor Has It: WI To Use The Nat'l Guard On Protestors?

[rightwinger]

I have always found attack dogs and fire hoses to be most effective....

Throw in a little tear gas and you really show protestors who is boss

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

That is where the fire hoses come in.......show the world how Americans deal with peaceful protest

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have always found attack dogs and fire hoses to be most effective....

Throw in a little tear gas and you really show protestors who is boss

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

That is where the fire hoses come in.......show the world how Americans deal with peaceful protest

Since when is creating a hazard and potentially threatening the well being of others considered peaceful?

 

[Sunni Man]

I just cannot imagine this is true....what a public relations nightmare that would be. It'd take all of 5 seconds to hear someone compare the National Guard busting heads in Wisconsin to the soliders in Libya shooting protestors.

Whaca think?

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

 

[Skull Pilot]

I just cannot imagine this is true....what a public relations nightmare that would be. It'd take all of 5 seconds to hear someone compare the National Guard busting heads in Wisconsin to the soliders in Libya shooting protestors.

Whaca think?

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

It's not 1970 any more and those so called peaceful protesters were throwing rocks. And in the days leading up to the shootings so called peaceful protesters set fires, threw Malatov cocktails and broke windows.

Funny how selective memory can be.

 

[rightwinger]

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

That is where the fire hoses come in.......show the world how Americans deal with peaceful protest

Since when is creating a hazard and potentially threatening the well being of others considered peaceful?

Hell yes....time to kick some teacher ass

Show them we mean business about obstructing hallways

 

[Skull Pilot]

That is where the fire hoses come in.......show the world how Americans deal with peaceful protest

Since when is creating a hazard and potentially threatening the well being of others considered peaceful?

Hell yes....time to kick some teacher ass

Show them we mean business about obstructing hallways

Yawn.

 

[rightwinger]

I just cannot imagine this is true....what a public relations nightmare that would be. It'd take all of 5 seconds to hear someone compare the National Guard busting heads in Wisconsin to the soliders in Libya shooting protestors.

Whaca think?

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

It's not 1970 any more and those so called peaceful protesters were throwing rocks. And in the days leading up to the shootings so called peaceful protesters set fires, threw Malatov cocktails and broke windows.

Funny how selective memory can be.

Remember the song....." Four dead in O-hio......four dead in O-hio"??

What rhymes with Wisconsin?

 

[American Horse]

Here's the reality of the National Guard Call-up:

“ - Walker told the State Journal editorial board and other media across Wisconsin on Friday that he had a contingency plan to call out the National Guard to staff state prisons if prison guards walked off the job or called in sick to protest Walker's effort to scale back collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions.

Walker's National Guard comment was met with wild exaggeration by groups advocating for organized labor.

"The governor should not threaten to use the National Guard against Wisconsin public workers!" Citizen Action of Wisconsin declared on a Web site featuring a manufactured image of three riot police wearing helmets, gas masks and holding clubs in front of a building marked "State Office Building."

Scot Ross, head of the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now, said: "No Wisconsin governor has deployed the military against public employees as far back as the 1930s, showing just how radical the steps are that Gov. Walker is taking to consolidate his power."

Ross may be right about his history. But he's dead wrong about Walker's statement here in the present.
Walker was merely saying the same thing the Democratic governor's administration said before him — and for precisely the same reason: He doesn't want our prisons unguarded. - "

WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL - Governor is wise to secure prisons

 

[Skull Pilot]

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-HFLVw2MIo

It's not 1970 any more and those so called peaceful protesters were throwing rocks. And in the days leading up to the shootings so called peaceful protesters set fires, threw Malatov cocktails and broke windows.

Funny how selective memory can be.

Remember the song....." Four dead in O-hio......four dead in O-hio"??

What rhymes with Wisconsin?

How come the druggies in CSN didn't rhyme a line for Malatov cocktails?

 

[Wry Catcher]

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

Did you feel the same way in the summer of 2009 as members of Congress were shouted down by Tea Party members?

Shouting at someone and blocking entry and egress to a public building are hardly the same thing.

So, packing a room and shouting down an elected official is appropriate, denying those who want to hear from their elected representatives is fine?

 

[Sunni Man]

I just cannot imagine this is true....what a public relations nightmare that would be. It'd take all of 5 seconds to hear someone compare the National Guard busting heads in Wisconsin to the soliders in Libya shooting protestors.

Whaca think?

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

It's not 1970 any more and those so called peaceful protesters were throwing rocks. And in the days leading up to the shootings so called peaceful protesters set fires, threw Malatov cocktails and broke windows.

Since when did rock throwing become a summary Capitol Offense??

 

[Skull Pilot]

National Guard shooting unarmed American citizens who were protesting in 1970

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-HFLVw2MIo

It's not 1970 any more and those so called peaceful protesters were throwing rocks. And in the days leading up to the shootings so called peaceful protesters set fires, threw Malatov cocktails and broke windows.

Since when did rock throwing become a summary Capitol Offence??

What about arson?

All I'm saying is be honest about what really happened. Don't just assume the protesters were peaceful and were murdered in cold blood by trigger happy Guardsmen.

Tensions were high, there was a multi day riot going on and yes mistakes were made but the truth, the whole truth, should be presented.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

I have always found attack dogs and fire hoses to be most effective....

Throw in a little tear gas and you really show protestors who is boss

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

Did you feel the same way in the summer of 2009 as members of Congress were shouted down by Tea Party members?

When the congress was ramming Obamacare down the country's throat, much as they would have liked to, the Tea Partiers did not flood the capitol and stop the legislative process. They said they would throw the bums out and elect fiscally responsible representatives in the next election, and that's exactly what they did. If the liberals in Wisconsin don't like what the governor and legislature are doing, they should do the same thing and exercise their power at the ballot box next election cycle to elect people who will reinstate state worker's' collective bargaining rights. Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Here's the reality of the National Guard Call-up:

“ - Walker told the State Journal editorial board and other media across Wisconsin on Friday that he had a contingency plan to call out the National Guard to staff state prisons if prison guards walked off the job or called in sick to protest Walker's effort to scale back collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions.

Walker's National Guard comment was met with wild exaggeration by groups advocating for organized labor.

"The governor should not threaten to use the National Guard against Wisconsin public workers!" Citizen Action of Wisconsin declared on a Web site featuring a manufactured image of three riot police wearing helmets, gas masks and holding clubs in front of a building marked "State Office Building."

Scot Ross, head of the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now, said: "No Wisconsin governor has deployed the military against public employees as far back as the 1930s, showing just how radical the steps are that Gov. Walker is taking to consolidate his power."

Ross may be right about his history. But he's dead wrong about Walker's statement here in the present.
Walker was merely saying the same thing the Democratic governor's administration said before him — and for precisely the same reason: He doesn't want our prisons unguarded. - "

WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL - Governor is wise to secure prisons

Have you ever been inside a state prison? Do you (or Walker) understand the nature of prisons, the security necessary and the immediacy of emergency response? More importantly, has Walker begun the training of NG troops in the intricate mechanics of each state prison, the unique policies and procedures and a briefing on the population?
Beware of making decisions solely on emotion, the unintended consequences can exacerbate a bad situation.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What if said protesters are interfering with other citizens who are trying to conduct business with the government?

Seriously, blocking halls and means of entry and egress is dangerous to all in the building. They should be cleared out. let them protest outside where they can't endanger the well being of others who are trying to conduct their business.

Did you feel the same way in the summer of 2009 as members of Congress were shouted down by Tea Party members?

When the congress was ramming Obamacare down the country's throat, much as they would have liked to, the Tea Partiers did not flood the capitol and stop the legislative process. They said they would throw the bums out and elect fiscally responsible representatives in the next election, and that's exactly what they did. If the liberals in Wisconsin don't like what the governor and legislature are doing, they should do the same thing and exercise their power at the ballot box next election cycle to elect people who will reinstate state worker's' collective bargaining rights. Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process.

"Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process", on this we agree.
Is shouting down an elected official, a representative attemping to communicate with his/her constituents, in your opinion okay?

 

[American Horse]

Here's the reality of the National Guard Call-up:

“ - Walker told the State Journal editorial board and other media across Wisconsin on Friday that he had a contingency plan to call out the National Guard to staff state prisons if prison guards walked off the job or called in sick to protest Walker's effort to scale back collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions.

Walker's National Guard comment was met with wild exaggeration by groups advocating for organized labor.

"The governor should not threaten to use the National Guard against Wisconsin public workers!" Citizen Action of Wisconsin declared on a Web site featuring a manufactured image of three riot police wearing helmets, gas masks and holding clubs in front of a building marked "State Office Building."

Scot Ross, head of the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now, said: "No Wisconsin governor has deployed the military against public employees as far back as the 1930s, showing just how radical the steps are that Gov. Walker is taking to consolidate his power."

Ross may be right about his history. But he's dead wrong about Walker's statement here in the present.
Walker was merely saying the same thing the Democratic governor's administration said before him — and for precisely the same reason: He doesn't want our prisons unguarded. - "

WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL - Governor is wise to secure prisons

Have you ever been inside a state prison? Do you (or Walker) understand the nature of prisons, the security necessary and the immediacy of emergency response? More importantly, has Walker begun the training of NG troops in the intricate mechanics of each state prison, the unique policies and procedures and a briefing on the population?
Beware of making decisions solely on emotion, the unintended consequences can exacerbate a bad situation.

Hmmm...It sounds like you fault Walker for protecting the public against a very real contingency.

My brother in law is a prison guard at the prison in Terre Haute, Indiana, for all that pertains to the situation in Wisconsin. But if I were a prison guard (a job I'm not competent to handle) I would not want any change in the duty roster for my fellow guards, or any support personnel; period.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

Did you feel the same way in the summer of 2009 as members of Congress were shouted down by Tea Party members?

When the congress was ramming Obamacare down the country's throat, much as they would have liked to, the Tea Partiers did not flood the capitol and stop the legislative process. They said they would throw the bums out and elect fiscally responsible representatives in the next election, and that's exactly what they did. If the liberals in Wisconsin don't like what the governor and legislature are doing, they should do the same thing and exercise their power at the ballot box next election cycle to elect people who will reinstate state worker's' collective bargaining rights. Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process.

"Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process", on this we agree.
Is shouting down an elected official, a representative attemping to communicate with his/her constituents, in your opinion okay?

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

 

[Sunni Man]

Aren't we supposed to have a government, "Of the people, for the people?"

The government should be fearful of the people.

But in America the people are fearful of the government.

 

[American Horse]

Aren't we supposed to have a government, "Of the people, for the people?"

The government should be fearful of the people.
But in America the people are fearful of the government.

"The government should be fearful of the people" except when - a distinction from "the government" - as in elected officials... are doing the right thing. Gov. Walker does not appear to be fearful; that's because he is doing the duty for which he was elected.

 

[rightwinger]

When the congress was ramming Obamacare down the country's throat, much as they would have liked to, the Tea Partiers did not flood the capitol and stop the legislative process. They said they would throw the bums out and elect fiscally responsible representatives in the next election, and that's exactly what they did. If the liberals in Wisconsin don't like what the governor and legislature are doing, they should do the same thing and exercise their power at the ballot box next election cycle to elect people who will reinstate state worker's' collective bargaining rights. Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process.

"Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process", on this we agree.
Is shouting down an elected official, a representative attemping to communicate with his/her constituents, in your opinion okay?

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....