Rumor Has It: WI To Use The Nat'l Guard On Protestors?

[Skull Pilot]

"Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process", on this we agree.
Is shouting down an elected official, a representative attemping to communicate with his/her constituents, in your opinion okay?

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

Yawn.

 

[Ragnar]

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

Yawn.

What happened in Tiananmen Square was a pro-democracy movement in a communist dictatorship and I think we'd all agree, a great tragedy.

This thread deals with a rumor and nothing more.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

"Resorting to mob rule shows what they think of the democratic process", on this we agree.
Is shouting down an elected official, a representative attemping to communicate with his/her constituents, in your opinion okay?

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

You've got the analogy reversed.

The people in China have no alternative but to protest, as they are not permitted to elect their leaders. Since the only legitimate government is one empowered by the consent of the governed, chinese citizens have the right to try to overthrow an autocratic government.

Wisconsin liberals lost at the ballot box fair and square, so they have no right to halt the democratic process and overturn the results of the election. This is something communists do when they are out of power.

 

[rightwinger]

For disrupting the Democratic process, I would tell them to leave the state house immediately. If they failed to comply, I would warn them one more time, then I would order the sargeant at arms to remove the disruptors from the building.

However, we may not be talking about one or two miscreants here. There are tens of thousands of demonstrators in Madison, and they mobbed the state capitol.

If order could not be restored, I would call in the national guard to implement crowd control tactics and remove the disruptors from the building.

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

You've got the analogy reversed.

The people in China have no alternative but to protest, as they are not permitted to elect their leaders. Since the only legitimate government is one empowered by the consent of the governed, chinese citizens have the right to try to overthrow an autocratic government.

Wisconsin liberals lost at the ballot box fair and square, so they have no right to halt the democratic process and overturn the results of the election. This is something communists do when they are out of power.

So let me get this straight

Losing the ballot box means losing your right to protest?

 

[Ragnar]

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

You've got the analogy reversed.

The people in China have no alternative but to protest, as they are not permitted to elect their leaders. Since the only legitimate government is one empowered by the consent of the governed, chinese citizens have the right to try to overthrow an autocratic government.

Wisconsin liberals lost at the ballot box fair and square, so they have no right to halt the democratic process and overturn the results of the election. This is something communists do when they are out of power.

So let me get this straight

Losing the ballot box means losing your right to protest?

No one said that. It was just a bad analogy is all.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

It worked in Tiennamen Square.....

You've got the analogy reversed.

The people in China have no alternative but to protest, as they are not permitted to elect their leaders. Since the only legitimate government is one empowered by the consent of the governed, chinese citizens have the right to try to overthrow an autocratic government.

Wisconsin liberals lost at the ballot box fair and square, so they have no right to halt the democratic process and overturn the results of the election. This is something communists do when they are out of power.

So let me get this straight

Losing the ballot box means losing your right to protest?

Basically, the state is broke and Republicans want government employees to take a relatively small pay cut to help balance the budget. Obviously, the employees don't like that, anymore than the automotive workers liked it when they had to accept lower wages to keep GM in business. If thety want to express dissatisfaction, write a letter to their congressmen, write a letter to the editor, hold a rally outside the capitol.

But no they do not have a right to mob the state capitol and say the governing process is at a standstill until their demands are met. The Democratic senators do not have a right to flee the state so a vote cant be held. This is not protest, this is mobocracy.

 

[Madeline]

You've got the analogy reversed.

The people in China have no alternative but to protest, as they are not permitted to elect their leaders. Since the only legitimate government is one empowered by the consent of the governed, chinese citizens have the right to try to overthrow an autocratic government.

Wisconsin liberals lost at the ballot box fair and square, so they have no right to halt the democratic process and overturn the results of the election. This is something communists do when they are out of power.

So let me get this straight

Losing the ballot box means losing your right to protest?

Basically, the state is broke and Republicans want government employees to take a relatively small pay cut to help balance the budget. Obviously, the employees don't like that, anymore than the automotive workers liked it when they had to accept lower wages to keep GM in business. If thety want to express dissatisfaction, write a letter to their congressmen, write a letter to the editor, hold a rally outside the capitol.

But no they do not have a right to mob the state capitol and say the governing process is at a standstill until their demands are met. The Democratic senators do not have a right to flee the state so a vote cant be held. This is not protest, this is mobocracy.

It would appear you have failed to grasp the fundamentals of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Defiant1]

That is where the fire hoses come in.......show the world how Americans deal with peaceful protest

Since when is creating a hazard and potentially threatening the well being of others considered peaceful?

Hell yes....time to kick some teacher ass

Show them we mean business about obstructing hallways

I bet more than a few of them are chewing gum.

 

[American Horse]

So let me get this straight

Losing the ballot box means losing your right to protest?

Basically, the state is broke and Republicans want government employees to take a relatively small pay cut to help balance the budget. Obviously, the employees don't like that, anymore than the automotive workers liked it when they had to accept lower wages to keep GM in business. If thety want to express dissatisfaction, write a letter to their congressmen, write a letter to the editor, hold a rally outside the capitol.

But no they do not have a right to mob the state capitol and say the governing process is at a standstill until their demands are met. The Democratic senators do not have a right to flee the state so a vote cant be held. This is not protest, this is mobocracy.

It would appear you have failed to grasp the fundamentals of the Bill of Rights.

Madeline, with all due respect, we have a republic to avoid mob rule; the people who have siezed the state-house state clearly that they think they are contending with "'democracy denied'

 

[Toro]

Apr 20, 1914:
Militia slaughters strikers at Ludlow, Colorado
Ending a bitter coal-miners' strike, Colorado militiamen attack a tent colony of strikers, killing dozens of men, women, and children.

The conflict had begun the previous September. About 11,000 miners in southern Colorado went on strike against the powerful Colorado Fuel & Iron Corporation (CF&I) to protest low pay, dangerous working conditions, and the company's autocratic dominance over the workers' lives. The CF&I, which was owned by the Rockefeller family and Standard Oil, responded to the strike by immediately evicting the miners and their families from company-owned shacks. With help from the United Mine Workers, the miners moved with their families to canvas tent colonies scattered around the nearby hills and continued to strike.

When the evictions failed to end the strike, the Rockefeller interests hired private detectives that attacked the tent colonies with rifles and Gatling guns. The miners fought back, and several were killed. When the tenacity of the strikers became apparent, the Rockefellers approached the governor of Colorado, who authorized the use of the National Guard. The Rockefellers agreed to pay their wages.

At first, the strikers believed that the government had sent the National Guard to protect them. They soon discovered, though, that the militia was under orders to break the strike. On this day in 1914, two companies of guardsmen attacked the largest tent colony of strikers near the town of Ludlow, home to about 1,000 men, women, and children. The attack began in the morning with a barrage of bullets fired into the tents. The miners shot back with pistols and rifles.

After a strike leader was killed while attempting to negotiate a truce, the strikers feared the attack would intensify. To stay safe from gunfire, women and children took cover in pits dug beneath the tents. At dusk, guardsmen moved down from the hills and set the tent colony on fire with torches, shooting at the families as they fled into the hills. The true carnage, however, was not discovered until the next day, when a telephone linesman discovered a pit under one of the tents filled with the burned remains of 11 children and 2 women.

Militia slaughters strikers at Ludlow, Colorado — History.com This Day in History — 4/20/1914

This is why we have unions.