Roosevelt: His Bankrupt Policies

[JakeStarkey]

Understand, Rshemer, you have just come out as a communist.

At least in Frank's mind. He knows what he knows, and the facts don't matter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You make an assertion, give a conclusion, but ignore everything in between.

The economic conservative legislation reversed the recovery from earlier more liberal legislation.

You must address this to have any cred, because right now you are in deep waters, bub.

Jake, you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How can we have a discussion when Rshermr continues to hide the impartial data sets. You know, the ones that show FDR doing great stuff from 1933-1940

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Shortly after Coolidge left office, the stock market crashed and began the Great Depression in 1929. Coolidge was right about Hoover, but when the Democrat Roosevelt finally came into office he proved to know more than Coolidge or Hoover and immediately addressed the four-years long disaster that Coolidge and Hoover had created.

Roosevelt finally came into office he proved to know more than Coolidge or Hoover and immediately addressed the four-years long disaster by adding on another 7 years to it, creating the worst economy in recorded history

That claim has been routinely debunked right here at USMB. It is a distortion that equals a blatant lie and ignores FDR's priority not to focus on industry fat cats, but instead to focus on the suffering of the masses. To this end, he put four million Americans to work building infrastructure, much which is still being used and benefitting America to this very day. And let us not ignore the continued hurricane like natural disasters called the Dust Bowl Storms that put huge numbers of farmers and ranchers onto the unemployed wandering the country looking for work. Those storms wreaked havoc during the entire period of the FDR administration in the 30's.

LOL

Share with me your MoonBat Data Set that shows something better than the 20% Average Unemployment from 1933-1940. Even the revised Moonbat set we've already discused had an average of 16% Unemployment over those 7 years.

How does 16% (really 21%) unemployed help people?

Yes Frank, we did go over and have been over many times. First, the "average" disregards the first year, 1933 that Roosevelt inherited, which was around 25%. That number got shaved down by 5% down to 20%. Those two years boosted the average you keep talking about and disregards the fact that FDR brought the unemployment down to about 9.5% in three of those years. The high average you give relies on counting the years of high unemployment FDR inherited.

Unemployment figures for the period are given using two different methods. One counted only figures provided by industry to indicate how many workers could be employed or should be employed in private industry but private sector industry could not afford to employ. The other method shows how many were actually collecting paychecks, including those working on government funded projects. You know, the guys who built the TVA, local post offices, hospitals, bridges, roads, airports and other infrastructure. So when you say "16% *really 21%) you are distorting and misusing the word "really". The real unemployment rate that shows the percentage of people actually employed and collecting paychecks is the method that used the overall unemployment figure, and that would be much lower without the first two years that FDR inherited.

Worst seven year economy in history Frank? It was a golden age of American infrastructure development.

I wondered if someone would pick up that average fallacy? thank you

What the fallacy about averaging 7 years work of unemployment to come up with average unemployment over a 7 year time period?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The worst time of the Great Depression were the Republican years.

The better time was during the FDR years.

When economic legislation was conservative (the latter half of the thirties), UE went up.

That is what impartial data sets show.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You make an assertion, give a conclusion, but ignore everything in between.

The economic conservative legislation reversed the recovery from earlier more liberal legislation.

You must address this to have any cred, because right now you are in deep waters, bub.

Jake, you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

You cannot analyze, and that reveals you are drowning in the data.

 

[Rshermr]

So, crusader frank, being a congenital liar, states:
How can we have a discussion when Rshermr continues to hide the impartial data sets. You know, the ones that show FDR doing great stuff from 1933-1940.
Now, the deal is, CF, you have seen the data sets many, many times. You simply ignore them and keep right on lying. Here is a concise representation of many of his accomplishments.

"Franklin Delano Roosevelt is often rated by scholars as among the top three U.S. Presidents along with Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. He was the longest serving president in the history of United States winning a record four presidential elections and serving from 1933 to 1945. Roosevelt came into office at the lowest point in the country’s worst ever depression and countered it through his program for relief, recovery and reform, famous as the New Deal. He then led America through World War II, playing an instrumental role in the defeat of the Axis Powers. Know why FDR is considered one of the greatest presidents by studying his 10 major accomplishments and achievements; and also get informed about his role in World War II.



#1 He served as Governor of New York from 1929 to 1932


Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected governor of New York in 1928 and served from 1 January 1929 until his election as President of U.S. in 1932. As governor of NY, Roosevelt tackled official corruption, addressed the city’s need for power through the development of hydroelectricity on the St. Lawrence River, reformed the state’s prison administration and built a new state prison at Attica. When the nation was struck by the Great Depression, America’s worst financial crisis, Roosevelt set up the Temporary Emergency Relief Administration (TERA), which aimed at finding jobs for the unemployed. By 1932, TERA was helping nearly one out of every 10 families in New York.

#2 FDR is the longest serving president in the history of United States
In the 1932 presidential election, Franklin D. Roosevelt defeated incumbent Republican president Herbert Hoover to become the 32nd President of the United States. He was re-elected in a landslide victory in 1936. In 1940, FDRran for a third term against the convention of a maximum two terms which had been established by first US president George Washington. Roosevelt again won by a huge margin. He also won the 1944 election and thus served as the President of the United States from 1933 till his death on April 12, 1945. The two term convention was made into a law after Roosevelt. FDR remains thelongest serving US President.

#3 He arrested financial panic through the Emergency Banking Act
When Roosevelt was inaugurated as U.S. President on March 4, 1933, the country was at the lowest point of its worst ever depression. He began the momentous first 100 days of his presidency by closing all banks for several days until Congress could pass reform legislation. The Emergency Banking Act was introduced on March 9, 1933. It allowed the twelve Federal Reserve Banks to issue additional currency on good assets. Depositors returned their stashed cash to neighborhood banks and on March 15, 1933, the New York Stock Exchange recorded the largest one-day percentage price increase ever. The Emergency Banking Act brought stability and ended the bank runs that had plagued the Great Depression.

#4 The FDIC was established through the 1933 Banking Act
The temporary Emergency Banking Act was followed by the 1933 Banking Act, also known as the Glass–Steagall Act. Signed into law by Roosevelt on June 16, 1933, it established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). FDIC provided deposit insurance, which protects bank depositors from losses caused by a bank’s inability to pay its debts when due. It restored the trust in the American banking system and is functional till date. The Glass–Steagall Act also separated commercial and investment banking.

#5 Roosevelt set up many important institutions as part of his First New Deal
FDR is famous for a series of domestic programs he enacted in U.S. between 1933 and 1938 that are known as the New Deal. In the first New Deal, Roosevelt set up in 1933 the Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA), which gave grants and loans to states to operate relief programs; the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), which in 9 years employed 3 million young men in manual labor jobs related to conservation and development of natural resources; the Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA), which by 1935 increased the income generated by farms by 50% by paying farmers subsidies to reduce crop production; the Public Works Administration (PWA), which spent over $6 billion to built large-scale public works and drove America’s biggest construction effort up to that date; and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), which provided power, controlled floods and modernized agriculture in the Tennessee Valley, a region particularly affected by the depression.

#6 The US Social Security System was created during his presidency
In the 1935-36 Second New Deal of Roosevelt, the Work Projects Administration (WPA) was established which employedmillions of unemployed people to carry out public works projects; the Social Security Act was enacted to provide economic security for the elderly, the poor and the sick; and the National Labor Relations Act was signed into law to guarantee the basic rights of private sector employees like organizing into trade unions. During Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first term unemployment fell dramatically from 25% to 14.3% and by the end of his presidency it had fell to 1.9% due to World War II. The economy grew 58% from 1932 to 1940 in 8 years of peacetime, and then grew 56% from 1940 to 1945 in 5 years of wartime.

#7 He established a national minimum wage though the Fair Labor Standards Act
Major legislation passed during the second term of FDR included the Housing Act of 1937 which provided subsidies to local public housing agencies to improve living conditions for low-income families; and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 which introduced the forty-hour work week, established a national minimum wage, guaranteed 1.5 times the hourly rate for overtime in certain jobs and prohibited most employment of minors in oppressive child labor.

#8 He took the first Federal action to prohibit employment discrimination
Franklin D. Roosevelt was a hero to major minority groups, especially African Americans, Catholics, and Jews. TheIndian Reorganization Act of 1934 was passed to provide ways for Native Americans to re-establish sovereignty and self-government; and to achieve economic self-sufficiency. On June 25, 1941, Executive Order 8802 was signed by Roosevelt creating the Fair Employment Practice Committee (FEPC) to prohibit racial and religious discrimination in the national defense industry. This was the first national program directed against employment discrimination. Also New Deal institutions like WPA and CCC provided an economic alternative to agriculture and domestic service for the entire black community.

#9 Along with Churchill and Stalin, FDR led the Allied Coalition to victory in World War II
In response to the advent of World War II in September 1939, Roosevelt initially adopted the twin policies ofpreparedness through measures like re-armament and “all aid short of war” to the Allied coalition. Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 led to Roosevelt calling for war in his famous “Infamy Speech” and within an hour, Congress passed formal declaration of war against Japan. On December 11, Germany and Italy declared war on U.S. and U.S. responded in kind. Along with Winston Churchill of Britain and Joseph Stalin of the Soviet Union, FDR formed the‘Big Three’ of the Allied Coalition, who were instrumental in implementing a war strategy that ended in the defeat of Axis Powers.

#10 He played a major role in the creation of the United Nations
During the Second World War, Roosevelt first coined the term United Nations to describe the Allied countries and initiated talks on a successor agency to the League of Nations to prevent another major conflict. Along with Churchill and Harry Hopkins, FDR drafted the Declaration by the United Nations. The document was agreed upon by 26 governments on 1st January 1942 during the Arcadia Conference and was the basis of the modern UN. Franklin D. Roosevelt died on April 12, 1945, just a few months before the end of World War II. The UN Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 and it began operation on 24 October 1945."
10 Major Accomplishments of Franklin D. Roosevelt | Learnodo Newtonic

There are many, many more. But what the hell, I know you will not read these.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, here is your chance.

Argue one through ten why that is all wrong.

Remember that communist, and nazi, and socialist are not arguments.

 

[Rshermr]

You make an assertion, give a conclusion, but ignore everything in between.

The economic conservative legislation reversed the recovery from earlier more liberal legislation.

You must address this to have any cred, because right now you are in deep waters, bub.

Jake, you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

Now, now, CF. the fact that you can not understand things only makes a mockery of you. Jake's statement was simple, easy to understand, and true. That it had more than two arguments is not difficult for most to understand. And it is not Jake's fault that you are stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank is not intellectually dumb. But, yes, he is stupid in that he refuses to learn, that he allows his emotions to get in the way of incorporating new information and thus make new connections and reach new conclusions.

Yes, he is stupid.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR track record: 7 years of the worst economy since the Biblical Lean Years, average unemployment 21%

How does that make him great?

Progressive Starkey and Rshm respond: People say he's great! who are we to question?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives Starkey and Rshm: FDR is great, we have the secret data set to prove it!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You make an assertion, give a conclusion, but ignore everything in between.

The economic conservative legislation reversed the recovery from earlier more liberal legislation.

You must address this to have any cred, because right now you are in deep waters, bub.

Jake, you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

You cannot analyze, and that reveals you are drowning in the data.

Jake, nobody, I mean nobody agrees with your economic "thoughts"

Your idea got 0 hits on Google, that's a first

 

[Rshermr]

FDR track record: 7 years of the worst economy since the Biblical Lean Years, average unemployment 21%

How does that make him great?

[/QUOTE]

Well, I know it is hard for you to understand. I know you like being told what to believe. So, I gave you an impartial source with documented expertise. You call it people. Now, people are a variety of things, from smart and impartial to totally agenda driven con trolls like yourself. Those that seek truth, to those who have their "truth" provided to you as talking points. From those that seek the truth, to those that want to believe what pisses them off. You are on the right side of all of those sentenses. An agenda driven troll, who have truth given to you by nut cases as simple talking points, who believes what pisses you off. You are a nut case con troll conspiracy theorist, with no value. The source I provided was impartial and expert. You are totally agenda driven, and have no knowledge at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank believes what Frank believes, and he simply refuses to learn.

 

[Rshermr]

You make an assertion, give a conclusion, but ignore everything in between.

The economic conservative legislation reversed the recovery from earlier more liberal legislation.

You must address this to have any cred, because right now you are in deep waters, bub.

Jake, you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

You cannot analyze, and that reveals you are drowning in the data.

Jake, nobody, I mean nobody agrees with your economic "thoughts"

Your idea got 0 hits on Google, that's a first

Yes, indeed. and it proves that you are a lying con troll.
what is new, me boy. No one is paying any attention to this thread any more, because it is just a couple of rational people deflecting talking points and lies from a con troll and conspiracy theorist.
You are, me boy, a waste of time.

 

[Rshermr]

Frank believes what Frank believes, and he simply refuses to learn.

You know him better than I. But from experience with other con trolls, I just believe he is un-interested in anything except what he chooses to believe.
Cons have a belief system based on some precepts:
1. They are basically ignorant. Really ignorant.
2. They love group belief.
3. They want to believe what they are told.
4. Believing what they are told makes them feel smart.
5. They love being angry.
6. Being part of their group, hating the other side of an argument, and believing they are smart is simple for them, because they are ignorant.
7. Con trolls have no dislike for lying. So they lie like a rug.
8. They lie about what they have lied about, and on and on.
9, They have NO integrity, but could care less.
Seems to describe CF to me. Except for his added attribute of being a conspiracy theorist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank certainly meets 1 through 9 above.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake and his sock having a great conversation

 

[JakeStarkey]