Ron Paul: Why Obama Is Wrong On Libya...

[Dot Com]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

 

[Mad Scientist]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

Obama said we'd get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and GITMO, he hasn't kept his promise. It's YOU LIBERALS who are PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.

YOU LIBERALS VOTE FOR HOPE AND CHANGE! IS THIS THE CHANGE YOU VOTE FOR? WHERE ARE ALL THE "ANTI-WAR" LIBERALS NOW?

Oh yeah, a Democrat is in office, so war is good and acceptable.

 

[Big Fitz]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

I do believe that the elephant there is wondering if Obama's so stupid as to stick his hand in.

The answer seems to be yes, of course.

 

[Sheldon]

Here's a live blog that's posting any updates on military action.

Military action begins against Libya - live updates | World news | guardian.co.uk


5.05pm: A French fighter jet has fired on a Libyan military vehicle in the first reported strike in the international campaign to enforce a no-fly zone, AP reports.

French defence ministry spokesman Thierry Burkhard said the strike was reported around 1645 GMT Saturday. Burkhard says the target was confirmed as a military vehicle, but it was not clear what kind.


5.02pm: US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, has said that while the US will not deploy ground troops in Libya "there should be no mistaking our commitment to this effort".


...

4.15pm: Here's a summary of events this afternoon


• Military action has begun against Libya, with French jets seen in the skies over Benghazi. Six Danish F-16s have arrived at the US air base at Sigonella, Sicily on Saturday and will be ready for operation Sunday. Canada has committed six CF-18 jets,and Canadian aircraft landed at the Prestwick Airport south-west of Glasgow, Scotland to refuel.

It seems like Europe is taking the brunt of this operation. I don't even know what you chimps are whining about Obama for.

 

[JFK_USA]

Bah...in matters like this you need a decisive leader who will make decisions.
Not a group of lawyers and socialites debating ad nauseum on whether it is an act of war or not.
1000's of Libyans have been killed by their own government while guys like this want to talk and talk and talk.

You mean like Bush did in 2003 with Iraq?

Bush tried to convince the american people that we had to attack Iraq.

There is just no winning with you guys. He doesn't spend money we don't have on another attack, he is a pussy. He then does it, he is wrong for doing it.

MAKE UP YOUR GOD DAMN MIND!!!

 

[Big Fitz]

you're accusing conservatives of flip flopping and yet you advocate going in while your type said Iraq wasn't a threat and we shouldn't go in?

 

[kaz]

Obama said we'd get out of Iraq, Afghanistan and GITMO, he hasn't kept his promise. It's YOU LIBERALS who are PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE

No they aren't. Democrats are opposed to being out of power. They are against wars they aren't in charge, just like they are against government spending money they aren't the ones doing the spending. Sure they're immoral, but you said they were playing both sides of the fence when in fact they are remarkably consistent...

 

[Londoner]

Had Ron Paul been the president from 2000-2008, America would have avoided a disaster.

** He would not bankrupted America in Iraq.

** He would not have allowed the fed to dump liquidity on the housing market.

** He would not have allowed financial institutions to make systemic bets that they could not cover.

Instead we got George Bush and Big Government Conservatism, which always finds ways to spend more money than their democratic predecessors.

The tragedy of Ron Paul is this: once the GOP gets back to the White House, his criticism of Executive war powers will not see the light of day.

We know that the next GOP president will ramp up the war on terrorism. Big Government Conservatism uses National Security issues to win elections, move the budget toward GOP friendly industries and causes, and mobilize public opinion through a combination of fear and patriotism. Ron Paul's voice will be reduced to a whisper.

I wish the Republican base had the courage to stand behind Ron Paul in 2003. They're 8 years too late. They can never criticize bad policies when they come from their side of the aisle. This fact has dug our grave.

 

[Londoner]

Talk radio has created a very moronic movement.

If Obama puts heat on Libya, Republican voters are told that he is a power drunk maniac.

If he doesn't apply enough pressure, they will call him a wimp.

In fact, if you turn the radio dial to enough conservative stations, you will hear both these things on the same day.

The Right wants Obama to be both Stalin (and incredibly effective but evil leader) and Carter (an ineffectual wimp).

They don't realize this impossibility because most of them are under-educated. They get 90% of their facts from politically captured media sources. They are not taught to analyze conclusions. They are merely fed a never-ending stream of simplistic, incoherent talking points.

Here is the truth. They will criticize Obama for giving them tax cuts, and ignore that Reagan sold weapons to Iran and raised the federal debt ceiling (twice).

They will say government can't run a laundromat, but they will give Bush the power to rebuild whole Arab countries.

They don't analyze policy or read research papers from data intensive, independent, academic, peer reviewed sources.

They don't know history or geopolitics. They are Apparatchiks being manipulated by charismatic entertainers like Beck, Hannity, Levine, Savage, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly.

Tragically, there is credible research coming from their side of the political spectrum -- but they can't escape the grip of their pundits, who fill them with fist-clenching rage over issues they simply don't understand.

Below is a brief summary of American intervention in the Middle East over that last 70 years. It was written by CATO, a right of center think tank which produces brilliant scholarship on foreign policy. Read it carefully, then tell us what you think about the War on Terrorism or oil geopolitics or "evil" muslims or Iran or Egypt. Stop getting your information and opinions from sources which don't provide detailed history or analysis. I'm begging you. There is brilliant research on your side of the aisle. Please start using it so your opinions are more coherent.

History of Middle East from a Right of Center source
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa159.pdf
Critique of War on Terrorism from Right of Center source
Doublespeak and the War on Terrorism | Tim Lynch | Cato Institute: Briefing Paper
Our Big-Government War on Terror | Gene Healy | Cato Institute: Commentary
Critique of Patriot Act from Right of Center source
http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-12.pdf
Have Any Patriot Act Horror Stories Come True? | Julian Sanchez | Cato Institute: Commentary

We're begging you to educate yourself on these important issues. We need you to start studying the War on Terrorism and the Homeland Security Department and the Patriot Act -- which is an interlocking set of policies and agencies which have vastly gown the power of government, and added layers of entrenched bureaucrats and big budget items. The Bush administration created so many expensive agencies that operate in secret, and Conservative pundits never talk about it -- so, predictably, we never see these issues on the message boards.

You say you're against Big Government, so please for once have the courage to rise about your pundits and criticize your own party. After Obama (who is a rubber stamp for Bush's policies), we cannot afford another 8 years of Big Government Conservatism. We cannot afford the continued centralization of Government Power mandated by the steroidal War on Terrorism, which is coming back in 2012. Please, stop trusting government so much. We can't afford your stupidity any longer. Start learning how to criticize and control the real party of Big Government.

 

[Late2TheParty]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

Conservatives are not a monolithic block.

You'll find many small government conservatives and libertarians against intervention.

And you'll find many others, including neocons, strongly for intervention, just as they thought they could successfully shape the middle east since WW1.

 

[Avorysuds]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

LOL, coming from the guy that supports Obama no matter what he does... You play every side and then bitch that "conservatives" *might* bitch about Obama going into another unconstitutional undeclared War.

So RW, can you tell me again why Ron Paul has no chance but yet dumb fucks like Bush and Obama get elected? Oh, that’s right because crazy as fuck fringe fanbois like you vote for them.

That list of differences between Obama and Bush just got even smaller, if that was possible, lol. I guess Obama is a war monger you can be proud of tho RW.

 

[Avorysuds]

Bah...in matters like this you need a decisive leader who will make decisions.
Not a group of lawyers and socialites debating ad nauseum on whether it is an act of war or not.
1000's of Libyans have been killed by their own government while guys like this want to talk and talk and talk.

You mean like Bush did in 2003 with Iraq?

Bush tried to convince the american people that we had to attack Iraq.

There is just no winning with you guys. He doesn't spend money we don't have on another attack, he is a pussy. He then does it, he is wrong for doing it.

MAKE UP YOUR GOD DAMN MIND!!!

Yikes... You can't see that you support Obama for doing what you just said Bush did... You pretty much face fuked yourself, LOL.

 

[Big Fitz]

Great... "Brackets" Obama has started launching missiles to make it look like he's got a swinging cod big enough to scare people into line.

Hit any aspirin factories out there "Brackets"?

 

[rightwinger]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

LOL, coming from the guy that supports Obama no matter what he does... You play every side and then bitch that "conservatives" *might* bitch about Obama going into another unconstitutional undeclared War.

So RW, can you tell me again why Ron Paul has no chance but yet dumb fucks like Bush and Obama get elected? Oh, that’s right because crazy as fuck fringe fanbois like you vote for them.

That list of differences between Obama and Bush just got even smaller, if that was possible, lol. I guess Obama is a war monger you can be proud of tho RW.

Do you want to go into why Ron Paul does not have a prayer again?

How about that the Republicans hate him and he did not get a single delegate in 2008
How about how he only has a loyal following of about 6% of Americans and the rest view him as too far in the fringe

 

[Greenbeard]

The problem is globalization. Globalization is a joke.

But what does Ron Paul think of it? How can any of us form an opinion without having Ron Paul's positions handy?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Well.......which way do you want the president to play this?

You conservatives seem to be playing both sides of the fence.

Do you want Obama to declare war on Libya?
Or ....Do you want him to wait and see how it plays out?


Or do you just want to say...whichever path Obama chooses, I am against it

Why would we declare War on Libya? I would definitely oppose that. There is no reason for us to bomb & kill any Libyans. When will Americans have enough of this ridiculous World's Policeman/Referee Foreign Policy?

Did you hear what your beloved Dr Paul said? He wants to go to congress for a declaration of war

He does not support bombing & killing Libyans. He was pointing out the right way to consider & debate all possible Military Actions. Obviously he wouldn't support declaring War on Libya but he believes in the Constitution. Our Constitution takes precedent over anything the UN proposes. If you guys want to try and declare War on Libya than go for it. Take it to Congress and debate it. That's what Dr. Paul was saying. But i have a feeling you knew that. I think you tried to sneak in some 'playing dumb' on us. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Had Ron Paul been the president from 2000-2008, America would have avoided a disaster.

** He would not bankrupted America in Iraq.

** He would not have allowed the fed to dump liquidity on the housing market.

** He would not have allowed financial institutions to make systemic bets that they could not cover.

Instead we got George Bush and Big Government Conservatism, which always finds ways to spend more money than their democratic predecessors.

The tragedy of Ron Paul is this: once the GOP gets back to the White House, his criticism of Executive war powers will not see the light of day.

We know that the next GOP president will ramp up the war on terrorism. Big Government Conservatism uses National Security issues to win elections, move the budget toward GOP friendly industries and causes, and mobilize public opinion through a combination of fear and patriotism. Ron Paul's voice will be reduced to a whisper.

I wish the Republican base had the courage to stand behind Ron Paul in 2003. They're 8 years too late. They can never criticize bad policies when they come from their side of the aisle. This fact has dug our grave.

Well said. No need to add anything. Thanks.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Also,people should not be surprised by this. Both Hillary Clinton & Joe Biden were big supporters of the Iraq War. They have both been pushing this President very hard to start bombing Libya. Looks like he decided to go along. It is sad but it's not surprising.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Always a voice of reason. Not many of them in our Government. Thanks Dr. Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkAxjsufiWI

Paul has always been consistent in his opinion that we should not be involved in any other countries internal matters. He called Bush out on the invasion of Iraq, and he is calling out Obama for his illegal acts of war against Libya. I do not agree with his views all the time, but I respect him for his consistency to his views.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Always a voice of reason. Not many of them in our Government. Thanks Dr. Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkAxjsufiWI

Paul has always been consistent in his opinion that we should not be involved in any other countries internal matters. He called Bush out on the invasion of Iraq, and he is calling out Obama for his illegal acts of war against Libya. I do not agree with his views all the time, but I respect him for his consistency to his views.

Yea i really do respect the man. He really does piss off the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons big time. Unfortunately he has a lot of enemies in both parties. But i will always pay attention when he speaks. I don't say that about any other politicians.