Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

So companies have to put up prices in order to have their workers live. Fine, then let it be so.

Or, we could just go back to slavery.
Live? We are discussing minimum wage here. If you are trying to raise a family on minimum wage something is seriously wrong. Liberals seem to think businesses open up to provide incomes for the population.

If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
...and? It's up to the business owner to take up the slack? You open a business and be as charitable with your money as you want, what's stopping you?
No ma'am it seems to be up to the government to pick ip the slack, and that means you and me.
For every person who does not earn a living wage, we are paying them the difference. That shouldn't be a difficult idea to comprehend
 
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
wrong
anyone can increase their skill level
There are many with mental and physical issues who cannot.

and those are the extreme minority

I assume we are talking abut able bodied people not the retarded or physically handicapped
You dont have to be retarded, to not have the mind to do anything but hourly work

if you're of average intelligence and choose to work for MW and never better yourself so as to merit higher pay that's your problem not mine
No, its your problem also. These people need government benefits to survive, and guess who pays for them?
 
Free markets are an abomination? Why? The communists tried to manage markets and failed with terrible results.
Whats free about a wage that you can't live on. Whats free about having to use government services to make ends meet. These corporations are paying as little as they can, knowing the US government will pick up the difference. That means its coming out of your pocket.
if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money
If corporations paid a living wage, there wouldn't be a need for "handouts".

if people had the attitude that they will do anything to not take handouts there would be no need for them either

Personally I would pick up dog shit for a penny a pile before I ever went on the dole

it's called pride
 
So companies have to put up prices in order to have their workers live. Fine, then let it be so.

Or, we could just go back to slavery.
Live? We are discussing minimum wage here. If you are trying to raise a family on minimum wage something is seriously wrong. Liberals seem to think businesses open up to provide incomes for the population.

If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
wrong
anyone can increase their skill level

Anyone can
Everyone can't

If you increase your skill and take a better job, someone will move into your former minimum wage job
That is the way it is for most minimum wage jobs. It does not justify paying low wages
 
wrong
anyone can increase their skill level
There are many with mental and physical issues who cannot.

and those are the extreme minority

I assume we are talking abut able bodied people not the retarded or physically handicapped
You dont have to be retarded, to not have the mind to do anything but hourly work

if you're of average intelligence and choose to work for MW and never better yourself so as to merit higher pay that's your problem not mine
No, its your problem also. These people need government benefits to survive, and guess who pays for them?
they don't need them they merely qualify for them
 
Live? We are discussing minimum wage here. If you are trying to raise a family on minimum wage something is seriously wrong. Liberals seem to think businesses open up to provide incomes for the population.

If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
wrong
anyone can increase their skill level

Anyone can
Everyone can't

If you increase your skill and take a better job, someone will move into your former minimum wage job
That is the way it is for most minimum wage jobs. It does not justify paying low wages
that's because MW jobs are the bottom rung of a ladder not a bed to sleep in the rest of your life
 
Whats free about a wage that you can't live on. Whats free about having to use government services to make ends meet. These corporations are paying as little as they can, knowing the US government will pick up the difference. That means its coming out of your pocket.
if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money
If corporations paid a living wage, there wouldn't be a need for "handouts".

if people had the attitude that they will do anything to not take handouts there would be no need for them either

Personally I would pick up dog shit for a penny a pile before I ever went on the dole

it's called pride
Thats easy to say for you when not having to confront the issue
 
There are many with mental and physical issues who cannot.

and those are the extreme minority

I assume we are talking abut able bodied people not the retarded or physically handicapped
You dont have to be retarded, to not have the mind to do anything but hourly work

if you're of average intelligence and choose to work for MW and never better yourself so as to merit higher pay that's your problem not mine
No, its your problem also. These people need government benefits to survive, and guess who pays for them?
they don't need them they merely qualify for them
Naturally everyone who earns 7-8 dollars an hour can get by with only their salary. Why would they ever need more
 
if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money
If corporations paid a living wage, there wouldn't be a need for "handouts".

if people had the attitude that they will do anything to not take handouts there would be no need for them either

Personally I would pick up dog shit for a penny a pile before I ever went on the dole

it's called pride
Thats easy to say for you when not having to confront the issue

and what makes you think I haven't ?

I grew up poor. I never took a dime in charity even when I could have qualified for it

I just didn't blame everyone else for my situation like you people do
 
The free market is an abomination. Laissez-faire capitalism caused the labor movement, caused the socialist movement.

Free markets are an abomination? Why? The communists tried to manage markets and failed with terrible results.
Whats free about a wage that you can't live on. Whats free about having to use government services to make ends meet. These corporations are paying as little as they can, knowing the US government will pick up the difference. That means its coming out of your pocket.
if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there
 
Live? We are discussing minimum wage here. If you are trying to raise a family on minimum wage something is seriously wrong. Liberals seem to think businesses open up to provide incomes for the population.

If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
...and? It's up to the business owner to take up the slack? You open a business and be as charitable with your money as you want, what's stopping you?
No ma'am it seems to be up to the government to pick ip the slack, and that means you and me.
For every person who does not earn a living wage, we are paying them the difference. That shouldn't be a difficult idea to comprehend
No ma'am? You really want to go down that road, boy? The government picks up the slack because idiots have given leftists too much power. Leftists only know how to solve problems via big government. They think the money will simply trickle up if they tax people more. The term living wafge is dumb and doesn't get smarter with repetition. You ignore any references to starter wages for the young and sharing expenses. Like I and previous generations have done. No one owes you a living.
 
Not all restaurants will be adding the surcharge. If you have that much of a problem with it, eat where it isn't imposed.

If you increase labor costs to restaurants of 40% then those costs WILL get passed along to the consumer. The profit margins for the restaurant industry are far too small to absorb such a massive hit.

But why are restaurants letting it get to that point in the first place? You put up prices to go in line with what is happening around you. You can't force your workers to live below the poverty line just so you can have great profits.

What "great profits" are you talking about? The profit margins in the restaurant industry are not large. I think you have a misconception about the industry as a whole.
 
If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
wrong
anyone can increase their skill level

Anyone can
Everyone can't

If you increase your skill and take a better job, someone will move into your former minimum wage job
That is the way it is for most minimum wage jobs. It does not justify paying low wages
that's because MW jobs are the bottom rung of a ladder not a bed to sleep in the rest of your life

Nobody does stay in them for life. It does not justify paying substandard wages
You move on, someone else will take that low paying job
 
and those are the extreme minority

I assume we are talking abut able bodied people not the retarded or physically handicapped
You dont have to be retarded, to not have the mind to do anything but hourly work

if you're of average intelligence and choose to work for MW and never better yourself so as to merit higher pay that's your problem not mine
No, its your problem also. These people need government benefits to survive, and guess who pays for them?
they don't need them they merely qualify for them
Naturally everyone who earns 7-8 dollars an hour can get by with only their salary. Why would they ever need more

I used to. I understood the simple fact that you have to work as many hours you need to at the pay you can merit to support yourself

If you expect a job that calls for no skill to be the only job you'll ever need then you qualify as one of the retarded
 
If you can't pay a decent wage in this country then you should try some other profession.
if you do not possess the skill to merit a decent wage then you better do something about it
Too many people cannot do anything about it.
...and? It's up to the business owner to take up the slack? You open a business and be as charitable with your money as you want, what's stopping you?
No ma'am it seems to be up to the government to pick ip the slack, and that means you and me.
For every person who does not earn a living wage, we are paying them the difference. That shouldn't be a difficult idea to comprehend
No ma'am? You really want to go down that road, boy? The government picks up the slack because idiots have given leftists too much power. Leftists only know how to solve problems via big government. They think the money will simply trickle up if they tax people more. The term living wafge is dumb and doesn't get smarter with repetition. You ignore any references to starter wages for the young and sharing expenses. Like I and previous generations have done. No one owes you a living.
Your point is, we should just leave these people out on the street to fend for themselves? We are too rich a country not to share our wealth with those who need it
 
There are very, very, very few people who are legitimately trying to support themselves with a minimum-wage job in a restaurant. They are predominantly second-income, part time, or temporary positions. When I was making minimum wage (as a security guard) many years ago, I sought and received all of the overtime my tired body could handle, normally working 56-60 hours per week...and looking for a better job with all of my available time. I didn't make MW for very long.

Of course, the minimum wage itself is both stupid and immoral. By what moral authority does Government come in and tell any two people that they are not permitted to enter into an agreement that both of them find totally acceptable (i.e., working for $5/hr)? The very existence of MW laws lowers peoples' expectations of what they are "worth," often causing them to accept a wage that is practically unacceptable.
 
Free markets are an abomination? Why? The communists tried to manage markets and failed with terrible results.
Whats free about a wage that you can't live on. Whats free about having to use government services to make ends meet. These corporations are paying as little as they can, knowing the US government will pick up the difference. That means its coming out of your pocket.
if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

I would suggest that if you only make 20K a year that you put off having a family until you can afford one
 
Not all restaurants will be adding the surcharge. If you have that much of a problem with it, eat where it isn't imposed.

If you increase labor costs to restaurants of 40% then those costs WILL get passed along to the consumer. The profit margins for the restaurant industry are far too small to absorb such a massive hit.

But why are restaurants letting it get to that point in the first place? You put up prices to go in line with what is happening around you. You can't force your workers to live below the poverty line just so you can have great profits.

What "great profits" are you talking about? The profit margins in the restaurant industry are not large. I think you have a misconception about the industry as a whole.
depends on the restaurant, you can't treat them all the same
 
Not all restaurants will be adding the surcharge. If you have that much of a problem with it, eat where it isn't imposed.

If you increase labor costs to restaurants of 40% then those costs WILL get passed along to the consumer. The profit margins for the restaurant industry are far too small to absorb such a massive hit.

But why are restaurants letting it get to that point in the first place? You put up prices to go in line with what is happening around you. You can't force your workers to live below the poverty line just so you can have great profits.

What "great profits" are you talking about? The profit margins in the restaurant industry are not large. I think you have a misconception about the industry as a whole.

Yet they are making that profit off of low wage earners who have had their wages frozen for eight years
Has the restaurant frozen its prices for eight years?
Have their executives had their wages frozen for eight years?
 
There are very, very, very few people who are legitimately trying to support themselves with a minimum-wage job in a restaurant. They are predominantly second-income, part time, or temporary positions. When I was making minimum wage (as a security guard) many years ago, I sought and received all of the overtime my tired body could handle, normally working 56-60 hours per week...and looking for a better job with all of my available time. I didn't make MW for very long.

Of course, the minimum wage itself is both stupid and immoral. By what moral authority does Government come in and tell any two people that they are not permitted to enter into an agreement that both of them find totally acceptable (i.e., working for $5/hr)? The very existence of MW laws lowers peoples' expectations of what they are "worth," often causing them to accept a wage that is practically unacceptable.
only about 3% of all positions are MW and that 3% includes service jobs where tips are also collected
 

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