Republicans and Poverty

[Indymike]

I know the economy is in the toilet, and I know the government is squeezing small business every way it can. I have a step-son (no I was not irresponsible enough to be a poor person who had a child) who wanted to be a pharmacist. A few months later, he tells me that he can't be a pharmacist because they are going to be replaced by robots. He said they are just high end retail. We all know that fast food workers will soon be replaced with automated stations to take orders. I don't doubt that it has gotten to the point where the only way a business can make money is part time workers and minimum wage workers.

I talked to a successful business man once, and he went on and on about how he didn't have to pay his part time workers much. It seems somebody does need to look out for the low end worker. Does anyone actually believe that if profits go up that a business will raise its payroll at all? I didn't want to use the "S" word, but it sure seems like slave labor. I mean absolutely nothing racial about this. Like I said, the economy is in the toilet, and if this is the way it has to be, I get it. I'm just not sure it has to be this way. Doesn't it seem just a little sick that the only way for a small business to survive is a work force that can't take care of itself and is forced to accept whatever terms they can get. They have no options or leverage. I don't know if I'm wearing rose colored glasses, but can't there be liveable conditions for people who are willing to put in their 40 hours as well as a middle class? I know this is a very difficult task, because the middle class is disappearing fast. Even I used to be middle class.

 

[Stephanie]

"Life is not unfair, it is just life.

Fairness and unfairness are nothing more than a political construct put together by politicians to divide and conquer the masses."

I would add this.....

Opportunities are nothing I you do not have the balls to jump on them when they present themselves.

Hey Flipper To me a living wage = an apartment, a used car, cheap food - hot dogs, chicken nuggets(nothing expensive or healthy), and the ability to get your blood pressure pills. Is it charity or robbery for 40 hours a week to get you that? Increasing the minimum wage doesn't have to be redistribution or robbery.

You know so much about the minimum wage. how many businesses do you have and how many people do you Employ? You can't make it on 40 hours a week, that's YOUR FAULT. go get a second part-time job. It's not up to others to support your ass. I knew right off you weren't a Republican. No Republican would whine like this

 

[Derideo_Te]

"Life is not unfair, it is just life.

Fairness and unfairness are nothing more than a political construct put together by politicians to divide and conquer the masses."

I would add this.....

Opportunities are nothing I you do not have the balls to jump on them when they present themselves.

Hey Flipper To me a living wage = an apartment, a used car, cheap food - hot dogs, chicken nuggets(nothing expensive or healthy), and the ability to get your blood pressure pills. Is it charity or robbery for 40 hours a week to get you that? Increasing the minimum wage doesn't have to be redistribution or robbery.

You know so much about the minimum wage. how many businesses do you have and how many people do you Employee? You can't make it on 40 hours a week, that's YOUR FAULT. go get a second part-time job. It's not up to others to support your ass. I knew right off you weren't a Republican. No Republican would whine like this

Typical blame the victim response from the extremist rightwingers.

Why don't you ask an adult to explain to you what OCD means, Stephanie?

Why do you believe that Republicans are immune to getting OCD?

 

[Wyatt earp]

"Life is not unfair, it is just life.

Fairness and unfairness are nothing more than a political construct put together by politicians to divide and conquer the masses."

I would add this.....

Opportunities are nothing I you do not have the balls to jump on them when they present themselves.

Hey Flipper To me a living wage = an apartment, a used car, cheap food - hot dogs, chicken nuggets(nothing expensive or healthy), and the ability to get your blood pressure pills. Is it charity or robbery for 40 hours a week to get you that? Increasing the minimum wage doesn't have to be redistribution or robbery.

You know so much about the minimum wage. how many businesses do you have and how many people do you Employee? You can't make it on 40 hours a week, that's YOUR FAULT. go get a second part-time job. It's not up to others to support your ass. I knew right off you weren't a Republican. No Republican would whine like this

but but but.....
Stephanie.....it's to hard working a second job

It's to hard going to night school

It's so hard ... I want to eat my snicker bars and watch television

 

[Darkwind]

Republicans should understand that income inequality is a national problem. While the last years have been pretty good ones for top earners... they’ve been a lost decade for the rest of America. There are so many people in poverty! And the situation is only getting worse.

Here is something you should understand.

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

Here is a hint. Take that two trillion and divide it by the number of workers in America (the number will be even higher now thanks to progressive policy keeping people out of work) in order to understand the true cost to the American worker.

THAT is a national problem.

 

[Stephanie]

"Life is not unfair, it is just life.

Fairness and unfairness are nothing more than a political construct put together by politicians to divide and conquer the masses."

I would add this.....

Opportunities are nothing I you do not have the balls to jump on them when they present themselves.

Hey Flipper To me a living wage = an apartment, a used car, cheap food - hot dogs, chicken nuggets(nothing expensive or healthy), and the ability to get your blood pressure pills. Is it charity or robbery for 40 hours a week to get you that? Increasing the minimum wage doesn't have to be redistribution or robbery.

You know so much about the minimum wage. how many businesses do you have and how many people do you Employee? You can't make it on 40 hours a week, that's YOUR FAULT. go get a second part-time job. It's not up to others to support your ass. I knew right off you weren't a Republican. No Republican would whine like this

but but but.....
Stephanie.....it's to hard working a second job

It's to hard going to night school

It's so hard ... I want to eat my snicker bars and watch television

I know it. I grew up in the time you made you way in life NO MATTER what to take care of your family and yourself . In hard times, we just tightened our belts or worked another job

 

[Derideo_Te]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

tell that to the coal miners in Kentucky or west Virginia losing. $45,000 dollar a year jobs and now have to work at Wal-Mart

 

[Derideo_Te]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

tell that to the coal miners in Kentucky or west Virginia losing. $45,000 dollar a year jobs and now have to work at Wal-Mart

Non sequitur!

Kentucky taxpayers subsidize coal mining to the tune of $115 million per year.

The profitable seams are all mined out and what is left is becoming more and more expensive to mine. On top of that it is now competing against cheaper fuels like natural gas and renewable energy.

Nothing stopping those coal workers from learning how to install solar panels and windmills and making $45k a year out in the fresh open air instead of ruining their health in a coal mine.

 

[Stephanie]

this kind of crap passed by your wonderful caring Dear Obama and his party is the one who HATES the middle class, the poor and small businesses. If you are falling into poverty, BLAME THEM. this is outrageous yet they don't care.

snip:
Domino’s Customers Call Obamacare Reg ‘Obnoxious, Costly, Annoying’
Most customers don't use menu to order from 34 million order possibilities



/ AP

BY: Elizabeth Harrington
May 21, 2015 3:33 pm


Domino’s continues to push back against a regulation mandated by the president’s health care law, releasing a new video that shows their customers calling the calorie posting rule “obnoxious” and “annoying.”

The pizza chain has aggressively fought against the rule, which originated in Obamacare and requires every menu board in a restaurant to list the calories for every menu item, calling the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) policy “impossible to comply.”

The company argues that posting the calories for their 34 million different menu combinations is not beneficial to consumers, the majority of whom order by phone or online, never looking at a menu.

In the new video, Domino’s shows one store that received 324 orders in one day. Only five orders were placed after looking at the menu in the store, or 1.5 percent.


Menu Labeling from Menu Labeling on Vimeo.

“Calorie counts and solutions to help educate customers are important,” a narrator in the video says. “In fact we want you to know that information and that is why we already provide it on our website, and we’ve been doing so for over a decade.”

“The government would like us to have this information available on boards in the store,” a representative for Domino’s tells a customer in the video.

all of it here:
Domino s Customers Call Obamacare Reg Obnoxious Costly Annoying Washington Free Beacon

 

[Wyatt earp]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

tell that to the coal miners in Kentucky or west Virginia losing. $45,000 dollar a year jobs and now have to work at Wal-Mart

Non sequitur!

Kentucky taxpayers subsidize coal mining to the tune of $115 million per year.

The profitable seams are all mined out and what is left is becoming more and more expensive to mine. On top of that it is now competing against cheaper fuels like natural gas and renewable energy.

Nothing stopping those coal workers from learning how to install solar panels and windmills and making $45k a year out in the fresh open air instead of ruining their health in a coal mine.

hey Nanny state how about them deciding if they want to make 45 grand a year or 12 grand a year

 

[Darkwind]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

Pure nonsensical rhetoric.

 

[Stephanie]

a SLAP of reality for those who think it's up to business to GIVE you A living WAGE whatever the hell that is

SNIP:
Why LA's $15 Minimum Wage Will Really Be $19.28
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BYJED GRAHAM,INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

05/21/2015 07:02 PM ET

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The Los Angeles City Council this week voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. But the effective cost for employers likely will spike to nearly $20, at least for full-time workers.

Once all the nonwage costs are added, including payroll taxes, paid sick leave and the big one — ObamaCare's employer mandate — minimum compensation for a full-time worker could rise as high as $19.28 an hour by 2020, an IBD analysis finds. That would amount to a jump of $10.67, or 124%, since June 2014.

Seemingly absent from the minimum-wage debate has been the reality that at $15 an hour, many workers will no longer qualify for Medicaid. Even single parents with two children who worked 40 hours a week would earn more than Medicaid's cutoff (if inflation stays at 2%).

In effect, the L.A. City Council is asking employers to lift their low-wage workers to the middle class and give them health insurance.

Here's how L.A. employers will see their cost of a full-time minimum-wage worker rise by $10.67 an hour from June 2014 to 2020.

Wages And Taxes: Including the $1-an-hour increase last July, wages and payroll taxes will rise $7.54 an hour.

Sick Leave: Three days of paid sick leave that take effect in June will add 19 cents to the hourly wage.

ObamaCare mandate: Employers with at least 50 full-time equivalent workers could face an ObamaCare penalty equivalent to $2.94 an hour in wages for each full-time employee who receives a subsidy to buy health coverage via the state exchange.

The per-worker penalty is $3,120 this year, rising to $3,240 in 2016. By 2020, assuming a similar pace, it will top $3,700. Unlike wages, theObamaCare penaltyis not deducted before taxes are paid. On a wage-equivalent basis, the fine could top $6,000 in 2020.


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[Derideo_Te]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

tell that to the coal miners in Kentucky or west Virginia losing. $45,000 dollar a year jobs and now have to work at Wal-Mart

Non sequitur!

Kentucky taxpayers subsidize coal mining to the tune of $115 million per year.

The profitable seams are all mined out and what is left is becoming more and more expensive to mine. On top of that it is now competing against cheaper fuels like natural gas and renewable energy.

Nothing stopping those coal workers from learning how to install solar panels and windmills and making $45k a year out in the fresh open air instead of ruining their health in a coal mine.

hey Nanny state how about them deciding if they want to make 45 grand a year or 12 grand a year

How about you look at the FACTS instead of pulling them out of your nether regions?

Wind Turbine Technicians Occupational Outlook Handbook U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

 

[Derideo_Te]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

Pure nonsensical rhetoric.

You are the one who wants to eliminate all "burdensome regulations". Where you lying when you posted that? Or are you just entering for the backpedaling Olympics?

 

[Darkwind]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

Pure nonsensical rhetoric.

You are the one who wants to eliminate all "burdensome regulations". Where you lying when you posted that? Or are you just entering for the backpedaling Olympics?

Eliminating burdensome regulations is NOT equal to wanting to pollute the whole world. It is a lie and a tactic used by people to silence discussion on practical job creation.

It is nonsense, liberally packaged and hence, nonsensical rhetoric.

 

[Derideo_Te]

How much could wages increase of we eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses?

So you want corporations to be utterly free to pollute your air and water and cheat you without any "burdensome regulations"? Just think that a bank could take all of your deposits for themselves under some made up fee and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all about it. Your family could all die of food poisoning and you wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Your doctor could cut out your kidney and sell it to someone else you wouldn't have any comeback.

Pure nonsensical rhetoric.

You are the one who wants to eliminate all "burdensome regulations". Where you lying when you posted that? Or are you just entering for the backpedaling Olympics?

Eliminating burdensome regulations is NOT equal to wanting to pollute the whole world. It is a lie and a tactic used by people to silence discussion on practical job creation.

It is nonsense, liberally packaged and hence, nonsensical rhetoric.

These are YOUR own words;

"eliminated the 2 trillion dollars in burdensome regulations placed on businesses"

Look at what happened when republicans deregulated the Wall Street Casino. They went wild and caused the largest economic collapse since the great depression out of sheer greed and avarice.

Now you want to repeat that abysmal failure of deregulation clear across every single industry and expect there to be a different result?

 

[Publius1787]

Aside for that i don't care if yo can't feed yourself and that's my right.

Yes, you do have a right to adopt a selfish puerile attitude towards your fellow Americans and they in turn can shun you for what you are. What you don't have is a right to impose your selfish greed agenda on your fellow Americans.

Define "greed." Greed is voting for the money of others to enter your pockets which is simply robbery by another name. Live and let live is not greed. Greed is when you think that the rights of others is subject to your ability to feed yourself. I'm here to tell you they aren't and this is an axiom. When you vote money from one person away in order to fill the pockets of another based on no other reason than your own benevolence then you are necessarily tilting the balance of liberty in a land where everyone is supposed to be equal before the law. You have no right to another mans produce for a service that benefits one group of people at the expense of others. To insist otherwise is the true definition of greed. Since when did the definition of greed become the very opposite?

Your convoluted distortion of the concept of greed doesn't alter that it is still nothing more than selfish greed on your part to not care about those less fortunate than yourself and to set up your Libertarian Uptopia in a manner that will seriously harm the most vulnerable members of society.

There is no justification for your selfish greed because you don't have a viable alternative for those who would suffer and die under your regime.

I'm not a libertarian but that's neither here nor there. Your position is not grounded in logic but ideology completely separated from logic. No amount of name-calling will change that fact. I simply laid forth a logical argument as to why you got the definition of greed wrong and you replied with the above. I don't need a viable alternative because it's not my fault that people are poor. Poverty does not grant you the right to the labor of others. There will always be poor people in the United States. It is not incumbent on me to solve poverty. It is, however, incumbent on me to insure the rights of the impoverished are protected as the rights of my own are protected. If you can steal from me to reward poverty you can, through the same logic, steal from me to reward corporations or anyone else for that matter. Both are wrong and it isn't selfish for me to demand that I not be on the hook for the whims of an individual or a corporation.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Aside for that i don't care if yo can't feed yourself and that's my right.

Yes, you do have a right to adopt a selfish puerile attitude towards your fellow Americans and they in turn can shun you for what you are. What you don't have is a right to impose your selfish greed agenda on your fellow Americans.

Define "greed." Greed is voting for the money of others to enter your pockets which is simply robbery by another name. Live and let live is not greed. Greed is when you think that the rights of others is subject to your ability to feed yourself. I'm here to tell you they aren't and this is an axiom. When you vote money from one person away in order to fill the pockets of another based on no other reason than your own benevolence then you are necessarily tilting the balance of liberty in a land where everyone is supposed to be equal before the law. You have no right to another mans produce for a service that benefits one group of people at the expense of others. To insist otherwise is the true definition of greed. Since when did the definition of greed become the very opposite?

Your convoluted distortion of the concept of greed doesn't alter that it is still nothing more than selfish greed on your part to not care about those less fortunate than yourself and to set up your Libertarian Uptopia in a manner that will seriously harm the most vulnerable members of society.

There is no justification for your selfish greed because you don't have a viable alternative for those who would suffer and die under your regime.

I'm not a libertarian but that's neither here nor there. Your position is not grounded in logic but ideology completely separated from logic. no amount of name-calling will change that fact.

Ironic that you blindly support Libertarianism while denying that you are a Libertarian.

And your own posts condemned you as being selfish and greedy. That is your problem, not mine.

 

[MarcATL]

I did not intend to hit such a nerve. I never once advocated welfare. I'm talking about people who are working. I honestly did not expect people to be bashing people that are indeed working. It is kind of low to bash people that have jobs. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying everyone should make 100$ an hour. I do not think people are being honest when they say all businesses will fail if they actually paid their employees. I'm not trying to paint republicans with a wide brush of they don't care about the poor, but in this one instance I really don't think they get it.

They don't get it. And the OP is one of the many reasons why they will lose in 2016.