Did the worst part of our Benghazi failures come,not after the attacks and murders, but BEFORE them?

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People seem to be keying on the lies told by U.S. officials (up to and including the President) after the Benghazi attacks: They weren't real attacks, they were just protests that went wrong, they were due to a video etc.

That was a coverup, it is now clear. But a far worse coverup by the Obama administration was in place and running, long before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2012.

BACKGROUND

Osama bin Laden was killed on May 2, 2010, by U.S. forces authorized by President Obama. He immediately added it to his campaign theme for reelection: "Bin Laden is dead, and GM is still alive!" And he began reducing security at various American installations, apparently to appease Middle Eastern people and emphasize how benign and cooperative the U.S. now was.

Al Qaeda turned out to be less dead than he had hoped, though, and began testing our defenses, protesting at embassies and Cairo and elsewhere, firing over the walls of various U.S. and British installations etc., and generally undermining Obama's hoped-for image as a peacemaker and diplomat.

Attacks against U.S. buildings in Egypt and Libya picked up in 2012. The embassy and consulate personnel requested more guards and reinforcements from Washington, but the requests were denied, to maintain the image of peaceful relations. Some barbed wire and concrete barriers were added to the Benghazi consulate. Night-vision security cameras were sent, but never installed.

ATTACKS BEFORE SEPT. 11, 2012

Several bombings took place in Benghazi as intelligence reports indicated a deteriorating security situation.

On April 6, two former security guards for the Benghazi consulate threw explosives over the consulate fence. There were no casualties.

A week later, a bomb targeted a convoy carrying the head of the UN mission to Libya. No one was killed.

The Red Cross was attacked in May, causing them to withdraw from Benghazi altogether.

In early June, a bomb was thrown at the front gate of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi. No one was injured.

A bomb was placed against the wall of the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in June, blowing a 12-foot hole in it. Further pleas for security improvements were denied by Washington.

A British convoy carrying the UK Ambassador was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades on June 11, injuring two.

REACTION

The Obama administration kept up their efforts at mollifying the militants. State Dept. security forces were replaced with Libyan personnel at Tripoli and Benghazi, and the number of American troops was reduced to a minimum. The administration was apparently concerned that sending American troops overseas while they were assuring the American people that our relations with those countries were improving, would raise the eyebrows of voters for the coming election.

The Obama administration arranged with the Libyan government for a Libyan quick-reaction force to help out in case of attack. Guards at the gates and perimeter of the Benghazi consulate compound, were replaced with Libyan personnel... and those guards were kept unarmed, equipped with only whistles and batons, to present a less offensive image to observers.

WHY WAS IT DONE?

Some people believe that the actions by the Obama administration were an attempt to make American voters (who had heard little about the spring and summer attacks) believe the situation was well in hand, with an election coming in November. Others speculate that the people in the Obama administration honestly and sincerely believed that negotiations, appeasement, and gestures of good will would defuse the situation and produce improved relations between the U.S. and various Muslim groups.

This belief in good will producing good results, is said to be a fundamental part of the Obama faction's ideology. And any attacks or protests are examined only with an eye toward figuring out how we need to approach the people involved and bring them over to our side. The idea that they can never be brought over to our side, is summarily rejected - further negotiations and appeals are the ONLY viable tools to be employed, since they will unquestionably result in eventual success.

RESULTS

By Sept. 2012, the number of American security personnel at the Benghazi consulate had been reduced to three. When Ambassador Stevens came on Sept. 9 for a five-day visit, two bodyguards accompanied him, bringing the total to five. Stevens had previously emailed his superiors in Washington, alerting them to a "security vacuum" in Benghazi. And just before Stevens' visit, the American Embassy warned that Libyan Officials had declared a "state of maximum alert" in Benghazi.

Today, Americans are still looking the wrong way when examining the attacks and the murders of Stevens and three other Americans. They are concentrating on the stories of "protests gone wrong", anger over a video, and other things that happened during and after the attacks themselves.

But the real, most tragic failures came long before the attacks.

Did the Obama administration and State Department deliberately pretend security could be safely reduced in our embassies and consulates, to craft an image of peace and success for the upcoming Nov. 2012 elections? Even as attacks against our facilities kept increasing over that spring and summer, and our personnel on the spot kept pleading for more reinforcements and security?

Did Obama basically trade four American lives in the consulate in Benghazi, Libya, for a bigger electoral margin in the Nov. elections?
 
Letting the Qaddafi regime fall to islamic zealots was stupid.

Obozo is the poster child of stupid.

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Only a few weak far right freaks think Benghazi matters. The true Americans know that HRC's vote for war is the disqualification that stains her.
 
People seem to be keying on the lies told by U.S. officials (up to and including the President) after the Benghazi attacks: They weren't real attacks, they were just protests that went wrong, they were due to a video etc.

That was a coverup, it is now clear. But a far worse coverup by the Obama administration was in place and running, long before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2012.

BACKGROUND

Osama bin Laden was killed on May 2, 2010, by U.S. forces authorized by President Obama. He immediately added it to his campaign theme for reelection: "Bin Laden is dead, and GM is still alive!" And he began reducing security at various American installations, apparently to appease Middle Eastern people and emphasize how benign and cooperative the U.S. now was.

Al Qaeda turned out to be less dead than he had hoped, though, and began testing our defenses, protesting at embassies and Cairo and elsewhere, firing over the walls of various U.S. and British installations etc., and generally undermining Obama's hoped-for image as a peacemaker and diplomat.

Attacks against U.S. buildings in Egypt and Libya picked up in 2012. The embassy and consulate personnel requested more guards and reinforcements from Washington, but the requests were denied, to maintain the image of peaceful relations. Some barbed wire and concrete barriers were added to the Benghazi consulate. Night-vision security cameras were sent, but never installed.

ATTACKS BEFORE SEPT. 11, 2012

Several bombings took place in Benghazi as intelligence reports indicated a deteriorating security situation.

On April 6, two former security guards for the Benghazi consulate threw explosives over the consulate fence. There were no casualties.

A week later, a bomb targeted a convoy carrying the head of the UN mission to Libya. No one was killed.

The Red Cross was attacked in May, causing them to withdraw from Benghazi altogether.

In early June, a bomb was thrown at the front gate of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi. No one was injured.

A bomb was placed against the wall of the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in June, blowing a 12-foot hole in it. Further pleas for security improvements were denied by Washington.

A British convoy carrying the UK Ambassador was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades on June 11, injuring two.

REACTION

The Obama administration kept up their efforts at mollifying the militants. State Dept. security forces were replaced with Libyan personnel at Tripoli and Benghazi, and the number of American troops was reduced to a minimum. The administration was apparently concerned that sending American troops overseas while they were assuring the American people that our relations with those countries were improving, would raise the eyebrows of voters for the coming election.

The Obama administration arranged with the Libyan government for a Libyan quick-reaction force to help out in case of attack. Guards at the gates and perimeter of the Benghazi consulate compound, were replaced with Libyan personnel... and those guards were kept unarmed, equipped with only whistles and batons, to present a less offensive image to observers.

WHY WAS IT DONE?

Some people believe that the actions by the Obama administration were an attempt to make American voters (who had heard little about the spring and summer attacks) believe the situation was well in hand, with an election coming in November. Others speculate that the people in the Obama administration honestly and sincerely believed that negotiations, appeasement, and gestures of good will would defuse the situation and produce improved relations between the U.S. and various Muslim groups.

This belief in good will producing good results, is said to be a fundamental part of the Obama faction's ideology. And any attacks or protests are examined only with an eye toward figuring out how we need to approach the people involved and bring them over to our side. The idea that they can never be brought over to our side, is summarily rejected - further negotiations and appeals are the ONLY viable tools to be employed, since they will unquestionably result in eventual success.

RESULTS

By Sept. 2012, the number of American security personnel at the Benghazi consulate had been reduced to three. When Ambassador Stevens came on Sept. 9 for a five-day visit, two bodyguards accompanied him, bringing the total to five. Stevens had previously emailed his superiors in Washington, alerting them to a "security vacuum" in Benghazi. And just before Stevens' visit, the American Embassy warned that Libyan Officials had declared a "state of maximum alert" in Benghazi.

Today, Americans are still looking the wrong way when examining the attacks and the murders of Stevens and three other Americans. They are concentrating on the stories of "protests gone wrong", anger over a video, and other things that happened during and after the attacks themselves.

But the real, most tragic failures came long before the attacks.

Did the Obama administration and State Department deliberately pretend security could be safely reduced in our embassies and consulates, to craft an image of peace and success for the upcoming Nov. 2012 elections? Even as attacks against our facilities kept increasing over that spring and summer, and our personnel on the spot kept pleading for more reinforcements and security?

Did Obama basically trade four American lives in the consulate in Benghazi, Libya, for a bigger electoral margin in the Nov. elections?
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.

Benghazi report from Republican-led House panel debunks allegations - CBS News

The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the two-year investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.
 
"Did the worst part of our Benghazi failures come,not after the attacks and murders, but BEFORE them?"

The only failure is your thread premise, which indeed fails as a loaded question fallacy.
 
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.
TRANSLATION: Please stop talking about what we did before the Benghazi attakcs, weakening security to fool Americans into thinking the terrorists were no big deal. With four Americans dead, our lies are exposed and we can't refute the truth, so all we can do is beg you to stop pointing it out.
 
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.
TRANSLATION: Please stop talking about what we did before the Benghazi attakcs, weakening security to fool Americans into thinking the terrorists were no big deal. With four Americans dead, our lies are exposed and we can't refute the truth, so all we can do is beg you to stop pointing it out.

Why did you start this thread when your other thread on the same theme is on the front page of the board?
 
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.
TRANSLATION: Please stop talking about what we did before the Benghazi attakcs, weakening security to fool Americans into thinking the terrorists were no big deal. With four Americans dead, our lies are exposed and we can't refute the truth, so all we can do is beg you to stop pointing it out.

Why did you run away from your other thread on this topic and start a new one?

...other than the obvious reason being that you were getting made a fool of in the other one...
 
The radical left (including almost the entire blubbering liberal media) made a big deal of President Bush landing on an Aircraft Carrier with a banner proclaiming "mission accomplished" and the phrase pursued the president for the rest of his administration. Obama's "mission accomplished" was of course the killing of Bin Ladin but the liberal media stayed away from the phrase and timid republicans made no comment. The former community activist has been out of his comfort zone since he was elected and the idiots he surrounds himself with are as clueless as he is.
 
People seem to be keying on the lies told by U.S. officials (up to and including the President) after the Benghazi attacks: They weren't real attacks, they were just protests that went wrong, they were due to a video etc.

That was a coverup, it is now clear. But a far worse coverup by the Obama administration was in place and running, long before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2012.

BACKGROUND

Osama bin Laden was killed on May 2, 2010, by U.S. forces authorized by President Obama. He immediately added it to his campaign theme for reelection: "Bin Laden is dead, and GM is still alive!" And he began reducing security at various American installations, apparently to appease Middle Eastern people and emphasize how benign and cooperative the U.S. now was.

Al Qaeda turned out to be less dead than he had hoped, though, and began testing our defenses, protesting at embassies and Cairo and elsewhere, firing over the walls of various U.S. and British installations etc., and generally undermining Obama's hoped-for image as a peacemaker and diplomat.

Attacks against U.S. buildings in Egypt and Libya picked up in 2012. The embassy and consulate personnel requested more guards and reinforcements from Washington, but the requests were denied, to maintain the image of peaceful relations. Some barbed wire and concrete barriers were added to the Benghazi consulate. Night-vision security cameras were sent, but never installed.

ATTACKS BEFORE SEPT. 11, 2012

Several bombings took place in Benghazi as intelligence reports indicated a deteriorating security situation.

On April 6, two former security guards for the Benghazi consulate threw explosives over the consulate fence. There were no casualties.

A week later, a bomb targeted a convoy carrying the head of the UN mission to Libya. No one was killed.

The Red Cross was attacked in May, causing them to withdraw from Benghazi altogether.

In early June, a bomb was thrown at the front gate of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi. No one was injured.

A bomb was placed against the wall of the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in June, blowing a 12-foot hole in it. Further pleas for security improvements were denied by Washington.

A British convoy carrying the UK Ambassador was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades on June 11, injuring two.

REACTION

The Obama administration kept up their efforts at mollifying the militants. State Dept. security forces were replaced with Libyan personnel at Tripoli and Benghazi, and the number of American troops was reduced to a minimum. The administration was apparently concerned that sending American troops overseas while they were assuring the American people that our relations with those countries were improving, would raise the eyebrows of voters for the coming election.

The Obama administration arranged with the Libyan government for a Libyan quick-reaction force to help out in case of attack. Guards at the gates and perimeter of the Benghazi consulate compound, were replaced with Libyan personnel... and those guards were kept unarmed, equipped with only whistles and batons, to present a less offensive image to observers.

WHY WAS IT DONE?

Some people believe that the actions by the Obama administration were an attempt to make American voters (who had heard little about the spring and summer attacks) believe the situation was well in hand, with an election coming in November. Others speculate that the people in the Obama administration honestly and sincerely believed that negotiations, appeasement, and gestures of good will would defuse the situation and produce improved relations between the U.S. and various Muslim groups.

This belief in good will producing good results, is said to be a fundamental part of the Obama faction's ideology. And any attacks or protests are examined only with an eye toward figuring out how we need to approach the people involved and bring them over to our side. The idea that they can never be brought over to our side, is summarily rejected - further negotiations and appeals are the ONLY viable tools to be employed, since they will unquestionably result in eventual success.

RESULTS

By Sept. 2012, the number of American security personnel at the Benghazi consulate had been reduced to three. When Ambassador Stevens came on Sept. 9 for a five-day visit, two bodyguards accompanied him, bringing the total to five. Stevens had previously emailed his superiors in Washington, alerting them to a "security vacuum" in Benghazi. And just before Stevens' visit, the American Embassy warned that Libyan Officials had declared a "state of maximum alert" in Benghazi.

Today, Americans are still looking the wrong way when examining the attacks and the murders of Stevens and three other Americans. They are concentrating on the stories of "protests gone wrong", anger over a video, and other things that happened during and after the attacks themselves.

But the real, most tragic failures came long before the attacks.

Did the Obama administration and State Department deliberately pretend security could be safely reduced in our embassies and consulates, to craft an image of peace and success for the upcoming Nov. 2012 elections? Even as attacks against our facilities kept increasing over that spring and summer, and our personnel on the spot kept pleading for more reinforcements and security?

Did Obama basically trade four American lives in the consulate in Benghazi, Libya, for a bigger electoral margin in the Nov. elections?
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.

Benghazi report from Republican-led House panel debunks allegations - CBS News

The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the two-year investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

The most laughable (yet sad) part of the OP is that mentions the focus on what was said after the attack but doesn't mention that it was Conservatives who made the focus of attacking Obama on Benghazi be what he said after the attack.

Americans have always seen what these partisan attacks were- partisan attacks.

Republicans were very transparent in using Benghazi to attack President Obama for political purposes from the beginning- rather than caring to find out what happened.
 
Talk about beating a dead horse. Give it up asshole.
TRANSLATION: Please stop talking about what we did before the Benghazi attakcs, weakening security to fool Americans into thinking the terrorists were no big deal. With four Americans dead, our lies are exposed and we can't refute the truth, so all we can do is beg you to stop pointing it out.

Translation: "My attack on President Obama for what was said after Benghazi failed, so now I am making crap up to blame President Obama for what happened before the attack"
 
The radical left (including almost the entire blubbering liberal media) made a big deal of President Bush landing on an Aircraft Carrier with a banner proclaiming "mission accomplished" and the phrase pursued the president for the rest of his administration. Obama's "mission accomplished" was of course the killing of Bin Ladin but the liberal media stayed away from the phrase and timid republicans made no comment. The former community activist has been out of his comfort zone since he was elected and the idiots he surrounds himself with are as clueless as he is.

Obama never claimed al Qaeda was defeated, in fact, he claimed just the opposite.
 
The House committee has released its report. Democrats are already screaming its' biased, misleading, etc.... but when asked, they admit they haven't even read it yet.
 
The House committee has released its report. Democrats are already screaming its' biased, misleading, etc.... but when asked, they admit they haven't even read it yet.

When they voted for Obamacare, they admitted they hadn't read it either but proclaimed it was a good plan.
 
Trey would have told us if there was any need to. Since he just said "read it" without clarification, we know there is nothing in the report.

It must be the shits to be a Trumpette like you.
 
Only a few weak far right freaks think Benghazi matters. The true Americans know that HRC's vote for war is the disqualification that stains her.

We know that you could give a shyt less jake. But I know of four sets of parents that KNOW Benghazi matters. Your goulish non-concern is just you being you.
 

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