Redistricting Left To The States By The Supreme Court

[skews13]

A set number of reps. Each state should be allowed 1 rep for every 1 million people in population of that state elected by the people of that state. If a red state is going to redraw imaginary maps to insure a set outcome anyway, why go through the motions? It makes no sense. You have 3 million people in your state, then vote for the 3 candidates of your choice by popular vote in that state. This would more accurately reflect the will of the voters in that state.

Seems you are cutting off your nose to spit your face. That is a terrible idea.

That is the way the Senate is designed because the Senate is supposed to represent the state. The House of Representatives are supposed to represent the district they are voted in from. you totally remove any power the minority group in a state has.

The minority group already has no power. With the current model, the minority is moved into a made up district where they are forced to vote for someone that doesn't represent them anyway. The only reason there are as many Republicans as there are now is because of districts. You eliminate districts in states, and you cut Republican reps in half. The Republican party as it exists now is only because of districting in the states. As is Trump is only President because of the electoral college. The truth is the majority of America by will of the people is neither conservative or Republican. This is a myth perpetuated by the current rules regarding our elections. Remove those rules, and America is a very different place.

 

[Dekster]

And where do you go from there? Do you create a starburst pattern, do you go north, go south? The starting point does matter, but the rest of the pattern matters more.

The starting point makes ALL the difference if it is immutable, like the geographic center of a state. From there, I would suggest a swirl pattern starting at due north, but that isn't as important as establishing a fixed formula that can't be adjusted for changing political considerations.

Great idea, but you obviously have not thought it through very well.

This is an easy one. There shouldn't be any districts.

How would you assign representatives then?


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A set number of reps. Each state should be allowed 1 rep for every 1 million people in population of that state elected by the people of that state. If a red state is going to redraw imaginary maps to insure a set outcome anyway, why go through the motions? It makes no sense. You have 3 million people in your state, then vote for the 3 candidates of your choice by popular vote in that state. This would more accurately reflect the will of the voters in that state.

That is what the Senate is for. The House was designed to represent the districts not the states. Under your system, there would be no reason not to abolish the house, form a parliament and let the prime minister be president

 

[jwoodie]

No matter how much you try to manipulate a mathematical formula it will never be a very effective means of gerrymandering. A few simple rules makes it neigh impossible.

Here's one way to do it:
1. Start from geographical center of each state.
2. The first district is a concentric quartile beginning due north and ending due east.
3. The second district is a concentric quartile beginning due east and ending due south.
4. The third district is a concentric quartile beginning due south and ending due west.
5. The fourth district is a concentric quartile beginning due west and ending due north.
6. The fifth and additional districts continue this pattern.
7. For states having less than four districts, divide into 360 degrees. For states with more than four districts, divide the total by four. If there is a remainder, recalculate the last five to seven districts by dividing into 360 degrees.

How are you going to manipulate this formula?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The dumb dem voters actually believe that the Democratic Party doesn't gerrymander

 

[martybegan]

I have other issues with voting by mail. as well as early voting. Sorry, but unless you have a valid reason, show up on election day.

What mathematical formula? Who makes the formula? You move the manipulation from people to computers.

Take up your issues with voting by mail somewhere else. It is a FACT.

A fixed mathematical formula does not "manipulate." People do. Which do you prefer?

No it is a current CONDITION. It can be changed just as easily as it was allowed. I have no issue with absentee ballots, but people able to go to a polling place should go to a polling place.

A formula does what it is supposed to do, the manipulation happens in the programming of the formula.

Didn't you ever watch Superman III?

No matter how much you try to manipulate a mathematical formula it will never be a very effective means of gerrymandering. A few simple rules makes it neigh impossible.

As you said, you were willing to accept some base gerrymandering as a simple reality. Well, this is how you get from your pictures to that.

The reason I accept some level of it is because anytime you try to create an "impartial commission" you are creating a bunch of liars who say they are impartial while they are not. Same thing for a mathematical formula created by those who say they are impartial while they are not.

I would prefer honest bias to dishonest impartiality any day of the week.

With a mathematical formula you could leave race and political affiliation out of the equation, thus when the formula does its thing it does not take such things into account.

race is actually the one thing the feds still can interfere with, based on previous SC decisions. and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And considering politics are becoming more and more geographically related you can still mess with it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The dumb dem voters actually believe that the Democratic Party doesn't gerrymander

The dumb Repub voters actually believe that the Republican Party doesn't gerrymander

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Take up your issues with voting by mail somewhere else. It is a FACT.

A fixed mathematical formula does not "manipulate." People do. Which do you prefer?

No it is a current CONDITION. It can be changed just as easily as it was allowed. I have no issue with absentee ballots, but people able to go to a polling place should go to a polling place.

A formula does what it is supposed to do, the manipulation happens in the programming of the formula.

Didn't you ever watch Superman III?

No matter how much you try to manipulate a mathematical formula it will never be a very effective means of gerrymandering. A few simple rules makes it neigh impossible.

As you said, you were willing to accept some base gerrymandering as a simple reality. Well, this is how you get from your pictures to that.

The reason I accept some level of it is because anytime you try to create an "impartial commission" you are creating a bunch of liars who say they are impartial while they are not. Same thing for a mathematical formula created by those who say they are impartial while they are not.

I would prefer honest bias to dishonest impartiality any day of the week.

With a mathematical formula you could leave race and political affiliation out of the equation, thus when the formula does its thing it does not take such things into account.

race is actually the one thing the feds still can interfere with, based on previous SC decisions. and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And considering politics are becoming more and more geographically related you can still mess with it.

All the more reason to have a formula that does not take race into consideration. It is a move in the right direction

 

[jwoodie]

Trump is only President because of the electoral college.

Don't know much about history, eh?

10 Presidents Who Won with Less Than 50% of the Vote

 

[martybegan]

No it is a current CONDITION. It can be changed just as easily as it was allowed. I have no issue with absentee ballots, but people able to go to a polling place should go to a polling place.

A formula does what it is supposed to do, the manipulation happens in the programming of the formula.

Didn't you ever watch Superman III?

No matter how much you try to manipulate a mathematical formula it will never be a very effective means of gerrymandering. A few simple rules makes it neigh impossible.

As you said, you were willing to accept some base gerrymandering as a simple reality. Well, this is how you get from your pictures to that.

The reason I accept some level of it is because anytime you try to create an "impartial commission" you are creating a bunch of liars who say they are impartial while they are not. Same thing for a mathematical formula created by those who say they are impartial while they are not.

I would prefer honest bias to dishonest impartiality any day of the week.

With a mathematical formula you could leave race and political affiliation out of the equation, thus when the formula does its thing it does not take such things into account.

race is actually the one thing the feds still can interfere with, based on previous SC decisions. and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And considering politics are becoming more and more geographically related you can still mess with it.

All the more reason to have a formula that does not take race into consideration. It is a move in the right direction

Unless the SC overturns that part of the 1964 Civil Rights law, any result that disadvantaged a minority could be struck down.

 

[longknife]

The entire foundation of our republic is representation of individual communities. The idea was that people who lived together would be represented by someone sharing their cultures and desires.

There has to be a reasonable way to do this in our modern times.

 

[OKTexas]

It's about time the court realizes every issue is not the federal courts concern. Your thoughts?

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Thursday that partisan gerrymandering is “beyond the reach of the federal courts” represents a significant win for Illinois Democrats and a second legal blow for advocates of changing the way the state draws its political boundaries.

U.S. Supreme Court decision that puts partisan gerrymandering ‘beyond reach’ of federal courts a win for Illinois Democrats

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Supreme Court allows gerrymandering

I’ve seen various reports on this, but this is the first that states the ruling like this.

In a 5-4 ruling that could reverberate through U.S. politics for years to come, the justices ruled that federal judges do not have the have the ability to curb partisan gerrymandering.

A State’s Rights ruling?


It’s not a great ruling for the rural counties here in Nevada. Dingy Harry Reid’s political machine now has a lock on the state legislature and that means the majority of political power will remain in the hands of the union-controlled counties around Las Vegas and Reno.

This redistricting in most states is carried out by the party in power, though some states in the interest of fairness assign the task to independent commissions. Gerrymandering typically involves politicians drawing legislative districts to pack voters who tend to favor a particular party into a small number of districts to diminish their statewide voting power while dispersing others in districts in numbers too small to be a majority.

More @ In Major Elections Ruling, Supreme Court Allows Partisan Map Drawing

Why the Supreme Court Got It Right on Gerrymandering @ Why the Supreme Court Got It Right on Gerrymandering

Just proves both parties do it, the commies are just upset because they don't control all the State legislatures.

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[Harpy Eagle]

It's about time the court realizes every issue is not the federal courts concern. Your thoughts?

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Thursday that partisan gerrymandering is “beyond the reach of the federal courts” represents a significant win for Illinois Democrats and a second legal blow for advocates of changing the way the state draws its political boundaries.

U.S. Supreme Court decision that puts partisan gerrymandering ‘beyond reach’ of federal courts a win for Illinois Democrats

.

Supreme Court allows gerrymandering

I’ve seen various reports on this, but this is the first that states the ruling like this.

In a 5-4 ruling that could reverberate through U.S. politics for years to come, the justices ruled that federal judges do not have the have the ability to curb partisan gerrymandering.

A State’s Rights ruling?


It’s not a great ruling for the rural counties here in Nevada. Dingy Harry Reid’s political machine now has a lock on the state legislature and that means the majority of political power will remain in the hands of the union-controlled counties around Las Vegas and Reno.

This redistricting in most states is carried out by the party in power, though some states in the interest of fairness assign the task to independent commissions. Gerrymandering typically involves politicians drawing legislative districts to pack voters who tend to favor a particular party into a small number of districts to diminish their statewide voting power while dispersing others in districts in numbers too small to be a majority.

More @ In Major Elections Ruling, Supreme Court Allows Partisan Map Drawing

Why the Supreme Court Got It Right on Gerrymandering @ Why the Supreme Court Got It Right on Gerrymandering

Just proves both parties do it, the commies are just upset because they don't control all the State legislatures.

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as are the fascist.

 

[OKTexas]

A set number of reps. Each state should be allowed 1 rep for every 1 million people in population of that state elected by the people of that state. If a red state is going to redraw imaginary maps to insure a set outcome anyway, why go through the motions? It makes no sense. You have 3 million people in your state, then vote for the 3 candidates of your choice by popular vote in that state. This would more accurately reflect the will of the voters in that state.

Seems you are cutting off your nose to spit your face. That is a terrible idea.

That is the way the Senate is designed because the Senate is supposed to represent the state. The House of Representatives are supposed to represent the district they are voted in from. you totally remove any power the minority group in a state has.

The minority group already has no power. With the current model, the minority is moved into a made up district where they are forced to vote for someone that doesn't represent them anyway. The only reason there are as many Republicans as there are now is because of districts. You eliminate districts in states, and you cut Republican reps in half. The Republican party as it exists now is only because of districting in the states. As is Trump is only President because of the electoral college. The truth is the majority of America by will of the people is neither conservative or Republican. This is a myth perpetuated by the current rules regarding our elections. Remove those rules, and America is a very different place.

Yep, you want to shitcan the Constitution and let the major commie cities in all the States determine everything. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Just proves both parties do it

Of course, because people are people. Moral hazard is a simple fact of life. That's why we fix the system. Hard to do, with the cheaters holding the scotus majority....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yep, you want to shitcan the Constitution and let the major commie cities in all the States determine everything.

Haha,ok, moron. Whenever you idiots have nothing of value to say, you vomit the word "constitution".

Which part is relevant? The part about only counting free people and taxed Indians? The part about everyone else being 3/5 of a person?

Just stfu already...you have less than no idea what you are even talking about...

 

[OKTexas]

Yep, you want to shitcan the Constitution and let the major commie cities in all the States determine everything.

Haha,ok, moron. Whenever you idiots have nothing of value to say, you vomit the word "constitution".

Which part is relevant? The part about only counting free people and taxed Indians? The part about everyone else being 3/5 of a person?

Just stfu already...you have less than no idea what you are even talking about...

Talk about vomiting nothing of value, everything you mentioned have been changed by amendments. Run along commie, and go look up what a republican form of government is.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Talk about vomiting nothing of value, everything you mentioned have been changed by amendments.

Exactly, dumbass. You are very slow, but you get there, eventually.

Now, which part, specifically, is actually relevant to your whining? You glossed over that part.

 

[OKTexas]

Talk about vomiting nothing of value, everything you mentioned have been changed by amendments.

Exactly, dumbass. You are very slow, but you get there, eventually.

Now, which part, specifically, is actually relevant to your whining? You glossed over that part.

Fuck off you commie puke, I could school you on the Constitution if I chose to. The only time you commies bring up the bible or the Constitution is when you want to cherry pick passages.

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[FA_Q2]

No matter how much you try to manipulate a mathematical formula it will never be a very effective means of gerrymandering. A few simple rules makes it neigh impossible.

Here's one way to do it:
1. Start from geographical center of each state.
2. The first district is a concentric quartile beginning due north and ending due east.
3. The second district is a concentric quartile beginning due east and ending due south.
4. The third district is a concentric quartile beginning due south and ending due west.
5. The fourth district is a concentric quartile beginning due west and ending due north.
6. The fifth and additional districts continue this pattern.
7. For states having less than four districts, divide into 360 degrees. For states with more than four districts, divide the total by four. If there is a remainder, recalculate the last five to seven districts by dividing into 360 degrees.

How are you going to manipulate this formula?

That was my point, you really cant.

 

[jillian]

It's about time the court realizes every issue is not the federal courts concern. Your thoughts?

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Thursday that partisan gerrymandering is “beyond the reach of the federal courts” represents a significant win for Illinois Democrats and a second legal blow for advocates of changing the way the state draws its political boundaries.

U.S. Supreme Court decision that puts partisan gerrymandering ‘beyond reach’ of federal courts a win for Illinois Democrats

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This isn’t a real court

Mitchipoo made sure of that

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