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Now, I may not be the poster child for reasoned discourse, but it seems awfully hard to come by when the topic has anything to do with immigration. This need not be so.
It's difficult to have reasoned conversation when one side, the right, has proudly rejected reason...
The liberals don't do that. The two sides are nothing alike. The liberal side is attached to reality, the conservative side isn't......
Maybe start with your stance on it then we can reply. I can start with mine. I'm 100% against any illegal ever getting to stay in this country. Where is your stance?Now, I may not be the poster child for reasoned discourse, but it seems awfully hard to come by when the topic has anything to do with immigration. This need not be so.
I live in a state that would rank in the top 5 for illegals. What do you tell the LEGAL Mexican American when he loses his job to an illegal? Because that IS what happens.It's difficult to have reasoned conversation when one side, the right, has proudly rejected reason...
The liberals don't do that. The two sides are nothing alike. The liberal side is attached to reality, the conservative side isn't......
This kind of partisan nonsense is a big part of the problem.
It's difficult to have reasoned conversation when one side, the right, has proudly rejected reason, by stating that any facts that contradict the party line are "fake news".
The liberals don't do that. The two sides are nothing alike. The liberal side is attached to reality, the conservative side isn't, and it's a load of crap to pull some phony equivalence song-and-dance and pretend that both sides are the same.
Bull fighting is mainly Spain and cock fighting I saw practiced by white hillbilly's in Missouri.Mexicans. Wow, they are so...what are they? They love violence, Bull AND cock fighting and blood sports, Macho. Hate is one thing, but this male drive to dominate and force, you seem to have a affinity for that, don't you? All that martial arts stuff you are into, male driven bullshit.
I recently helped this Hispanic woman from her abusive husband, She didn't speak English but I understood her perfectly well, good people help each other, they don't exploit or slam each other, do you get that?
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?
Please define YOUR idea of immigrant. Did they come here legal or not?.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?
In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
-------------------------------------- sounds like you make your living by servicing immigrants of all sorts !! No wonder that you are pro immigrant !!.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?
In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
I've never understood the need for any immigration into the USA except for importing some few first world exceptional people that are exceptional people .
That's what the founders wanted.I've never understood the need for any immigration into the USA except for importing some few first world exceptional people that are exceptional people .