Reagan/Bush Acted Without Congress To Shield Immigrants From Deportation

[Stephanie]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:
In Oregon Illegal Immigrant Referendum, a Warning for Obama

by
Rick Moran
Bio
November 16, 2014 - 2:10 pm

Little noticed after the midterm vote, which saw the GOP take control of the Senate and increase their majority in the House, was a referendum in sky blue Oregon to repeal the law that granted illegal immigrants the right to obtain a driver’s license.
Even though the Democrats increased their majority in the state legislature and a Democratic governor was reelected, the measure for repeal passed by a 2-1 margin.
This is a stark warning to President Obama and the Democrats that if he acts alone to amnesty 5 million illegals, his march to irrelevancy will be complete, and the party he leads could pay an awful price in 2016.
The Associated Press reports:
The state law had seemed to be popular. It easily passed last year with bipartisan support in the Democratic-controlled Legislature and was signed Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber, who was re-elected Nov. 4.
Opponents barely gathered enough signatures to put the repeal question on the ballot. Immigrant rights groups outspent their opponents 10-1.

ALL of it here:
The PJ Tatler In Oregon Illegal Immigrant Referendum a Warning for Obama

this was a comment with this article:
America was built by European immigrants who knew they had to learn the language, blend in, and work hard because if they failed there was no safety net to save them. It's all been downhill ever since. Millions have come here illegally. Not the skilled and professional but the field workers, domestic, and janitorial, mostly unskilled and undereducated. And of course the Democratic Party made sure to provide education, health care, welfare, and food stamps to secure votes for their Party. It didn't matter anymore if you learned to speak English, blend into American society or even succeed. The safety net changed everything. Is it any wonder that we got Obama, that we've turned into a nation of idiots? By all means let's have
Amnesty for 4 or 5 million more illegals. Yeh, that'll help speed American decline a bunch!

 

[Mertex]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

Your money? Oh, I get it, you think they'll be getting welfare money that should be going to you.....

and, there would be enough jobs if the idiot Republicans in Congress would pass some of the job bills they've been handed instead of sitting on their butts dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President.

 

[Stephanie]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

Your money? Oh, I get it, you think they'll be getting welfare money that should be going to you.....

and, there would be enough jobs if the idiot Republicans in Congress would pass some of the job bills they've been handed instead of sitting on their butts dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President.

babble on
I'm done dealing with your nasty crap

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Reagan acted within the law.

No Reagan Did Not Offer An Amnesty By Lawless Executive Order

 

[S.J.]

Liberal talking points are aimed at drawing a parallel between Reagan and Obama on immigration, which is laughable.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Liberal talking points are aimed at drawing a parallel between Reagan and Obama on immigration, which is laughable.

So true!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan acted within the law.

No Reagan Did Not Offer An Amnesty By Lawless Executive Order

Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]

 

[S.J.]

Reagan acted within the law.

No Reagan Did Not Offer An Amnesty By Lawless Executive Order

Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]

The two links you provided don't say anything similar to what you claim they say, but let's just assume for a minute that your 4 statements are accurate (which they are not). A total of 322,000 people being deferred from deportation vs. Obama's plan to legalize 13 million who are here ILLEGALLY, draining our resources and getting a free ride at the taxpayer's expense for the purpose of expanding the Democratic base. Not only that, but a guarantee that millions more will follow suit, especially since he has no plan for or intention of securing the border as part of his EO. I guess you feel perfectly comfortable with terrorists crossing our borders freely along with the freeloaders.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan acted within the law.

No Reagan Did Not Offer An Amnesty By Lawless Executive Order

Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]

The two links you provided don't say anything similar to what you claim they say, but let's just assume for a minute that your 4 statements are accurate (which they are not). A total of 322,000 people being deferred from deportation vs. Obama's plan to legalize 13 million who are here ILLEGALLY, draining our resources and getting a free ride at the taxpayer's expense for the purpose of expanding the Democratic base. Not only that, but a guarantee that millions more will follow suit, especially since he has no plan for or intention of securing the border as part of his EO. I guess you feel perfectly comfortable with terrorists crossing our borders freely along with the freeloaders.

You've read Obama's EO? How'd you manage to do that?

 

[Lakhota]

Well, tonight is the night. Several major networks aren't airing it - but CNN is.

 

[rdean]

I love how some think that pointing out the mistakes of the past somehow justify repeating the same mistake today. By the way how many of you who are so supportive of the black man doing this today supported the two white men? If people give an honest answer my guess is the number would be zero.

As a Liberal with an open mind - I was totally indifferent when the two white men did it.

Two white Republicans. The odds are with white Republicans since the party is 90% white.

Saw a post on the Hill that said "Democrats will never have another black president. Good."

 

[rdean]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

Your money? Oh, I get it, you think they'll be getting welfare money that should be going to you.....

and, there would be enough jobs if the idiot Republicans in Congress would pass some of the job bills they've been handed instead of sitting on their butts dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President.

babble on
I'm done dealing with your nasty crap

But you have to admit, "dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President" is right on the money.

 

[Mertex]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

Your money? Oh, I get it, you think they'll be getting welfare money that should be going to you.....

and, there would be enough jobs if the idiot Republicans in Congress would pass some of the job bills they've been handed instead of sitting on their butts dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President.

babble on
I'm done dealing with your nasty crap

You can't handle the truth..........

 

[Vigilante]

Democrats and Drive-Bys Distort Reagan to Validate Obama's Executive Order on Amnesty
November 19, 2014

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: You know, I've always been of the impression, ladies and gentlemen, that the Democrat Party and the Drive-By Media and the American left really didn't like Ronald Reagan very much. I've always been under the impression that they thought Reagan was stupid. Maybe on a good day they'd call him an amiable dunce. But I've always been under the impression they had no respect for him. People that voted for Reagan were stupid. Reagan was dangerous. Reagan was gonna blow up the world. If it weren't for Gorbachev, who knows if there would even be a planet Earth today.
And yet it seems like whenever the Democrat Party needs to validate something that it plans to do, they always cite Ronald Reagan. They cite Ronald Reagan sometimes when they're gonna do something on economics. They cite Ronald Reagan -- I don't have all the times in front of me. I can't list them. But you know as well as I do that they frequently go back and cite Ronald Reagan.

Now, it may not be that they're doing so out of respect for Reagan. But it certainly is true to say that they are citing Reagan to validate what they're doing, and particularly when it comes to Obama's upcoming amnesty that looks like it's gonna be announced on Friday from Las Vegas.
Greetings, my friends. Rush Limbaugh, the EIB Network. Happy to have you here. Telephone number, if you want to be on the program is 800-282-2882. And we check the e-mail, so if you want to send an e-mail, it's [email protected].
It's just uncanny how often the Democrat Party, when they get in jam and when they know they're doing something that is untoward, when they know they're doing something that's not aboveboard, like this clearly is not aboveboard, they go back and they cite Reagan. "Well, Reagan did it."
It's not just to persuade conservatives. That's not why they're doing it. They know that Reagan actually has credibility with people. That's the dirty little secret. They know that Ronald Reagan was beloved and adored, and they know that, despite their best efforts, the American people have profound respect for Ronald Reagan.
Notice they don't cite Bill Clinton. They don't go back and they don't cite FDR. They don't go back and cite Truman very often. They always cite, they always go back to Ronaldus Magnus, and they are doing that to justify what Obama's going to do here with his executive order that will grant amnesty to five million illegal aliens. And they're out there claiming Reagan did this?
Reagan never did this.

Of course the AP and the Drive-By Media are falling right in line, writing stories that the White House is dictating, claiming, "Well, this is no big deal. Reagan did it. Bush did it. What are you crying about?" Well, if Reagan did it, how come we're only hearing about it on the eve of Obama doing it? If Reagan did this, then why did Obama once say he didn't have the power to do this? Remember that sound bite to some Spanish language TV network where he said he was not an emperor, or not a dictator? (imitating Obama) "We are a nation of laws. We have our law, and I unfortunately just can't do it with the stroke of my pen." Remember that?
Well, why didn't he say, "Wait a minute, yes, I can. I can be a dictator 'cause Ronald Reagan was, everybody knows." Why didn't he cite Reagan back then? Why didn't he cite Reagan last week, last year? Why let this controversy gin up? If Reagan did it why not say it at the outset and then shut up everybody.
Let's go to the audio sound bites. You'll see what I'm talking about here. Last night and this morning we have a little montage of how the left all of a sudden is once again in love with Ronaldus Magnus.
BECKEL: Ronald Reagan did exactly the same thing.
BEGALA: Presidents Reagan and Bush issued executive orders on immigration.
REID: Every president, 39 different times, Reagan, Bush.
KOSINSKI: Reagan allowed legalization for three million immigrants.
O'REILLY: President Reagan also took executive action allowing some illegals to stay in this country.
CUELLAR: A very eerie way when President Reagan was the president, he then took the executive order.
CATANESE: Pointing out to actions by two former Republican presidents, presidents Reagan and President George H. W. Bush.
RUSH: Okay. So you want to know who was in there? You want to hear the names? I think you should. The first up was Bob Beckel, and then The Forehead, Paul Begala, and then Dingy Harry, and then Michelle Kosinski, whoever that is, and then O'Reilly. O'Reilly said President Reagan also took executive action allowing some illegals to stay. He did not. Reagan never took executive action. This is a bald-faced flat-out lie. Not that it's gonna matter to anybody. But you know us here; we're concerned with the truth. Henry Cuellar, David Catanese. Those are the people in the sound bite that you just heard.
So if you're thinking, "Well, Rush, you're being so bold about this. What do you mean, Reagan didn't do it?" Well, there are a lot of people that are still alive who were in the Reagan administration, one of them was a man by the name of Jeff Lord, and Jeffrey writes for the American Spectator. He writes for Conservative Review, and he also occasionally puts together some pieces for our buddies at NewsBusters,

Brent Bozell. And he has a piece posted at Conservative Review entitled, "Ronald Reagan and Immigration: The AP Distortion."
Jeffrey worked in the Reagan administration. Now, his piece prints out to four pages, but I don't need that. What is the difference between Reagan and Obama? Reagan -- in fact, folks, I'm almost speechless here as I prepare to explain to you just how big the left is distorting this. Ronald Reagan signed a piece of legislation. It was the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. It was 1986. Congress debated and passed a law to grant amnesty to three million illegal immigrants, and Reagan signed it. They are saying that's exactly what Obama's gonna do. They are claiming that Reagan signing legislation, thereby making it legal, is the same thing as an Obama executive order. It breathtaking what they're trying to say here.
Reagan had a statute behind him. The statute was called Simpson-Mazzoli. The very law that Reagan had signed was signed after it was passed by Congress. What Obama is about to do is write a law, or rewrite a statue all by himself. You think that Gruber was exaggerating? They do think you're stupid. They really do believe that you are stupid. They really believe that they can make you think that Reagan signing a piece of legislation is identical to Obama writing and signing an executive order. "Well, Reagan did it. Well, technically Reagan granted amnesty, why are you complaining? Reagan granted amnesty, and George H. W. Bush, he granted amnesty, so Obama's not doing anything different."
Well, it's totally different because there is no legislation. The president cannot write law. The president can't make it up. Whether Congress is a bulwark or not. The Constitution does not say, "In case the Congress refuses to cooperate with the president, the president may, in that case, create his own law." It doesn't say that. And Obama knows it doesn't say that because he'd been out there on TV in previous years telling angry Hispanics that he's not a dictator -- ahem -- that he's not an emperor -- ahem -- and he can't do it. And that's been his excuse all along. He doesn't have the power to do it.
Now all of a sudden he does. And along comes the dictate from the White House to inform the media, "Hey, it's no different than what Reagan did." So there are two things here. The blatant lie in equating an executive order with signing legislation, and then having to cite Reagan to validate something a Marxist -- ahem -- a Democrat president is doing. It's just fascinating to watch all this. When he suspends deportations and when he imposes his own conditions on those suspensions, he's rewriting the law.
And that's what Obama is doing. And that violates his oath to enforce and uphold the law as it's written. The American people, the Congress, and the courts need to know that we have a president that will enforce the law. And when he says, "I will not enforce the law because I don't like it or because I'm impatient," that doesn't wash under the Constitution.
Now, there's some other things. Judge Napolitano is cited in this story by Jeff Lord in this fashion: "The judge goes on to say quite pointedly and specifically what is the Reagan-Obama difference. Every president since Eisenhower has suspended some deportations. President Reagan did it to 100,000 families. He did it on the basis of the 1986 statute enacted by the Congress. President H. W. Bush did it for 1.5 million people.
"Only about 350,000 took advantage of it, and it was based on his interpretation of the statute. President Obama does not reinterpret a statute here. He takes a statute and says, 'I'm gonna disregard it. I don't like it. It doesn't do what I want it to do. So I'm gonna give you a better one. I'm gonna set down a set of standards that I'd have written had I been the lawmakers.' But he's not the lawmaker. He's the law enforcer."
So Reagan and previous presidents when they suspended some deportations, did so under the guidelines of a statute that was in existence. They were not creating law. They were not adding to it. They were not subtracting from it. They were using it. Obama is doing nothing of the sort. It's just -- I don't know -- fascinating here to watch the effort (and it's pedal to the metal) underway here to try to equate Obama with Ronald Reagan.
I don't know. A little side issue or aspect of this is it really offends me greatly to see them tarnish Reagan this way, because that's what this is. Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan in his dreams, and the idea that he is Ronald Reagan and is doing nothing different than Reagan did is as offensive as it can be to me. Because it's distorting Reagan. It is impugning Reagan.

And, of course, Obama doesn't have the respect and admiration from enough people to be able to get by with this on his own. If Obama were respected -- if he had a decent amount of respect, if it was thought that he had integrity, if Obama was indeed the charismatic/messianic figure people thought they had elected -- they wouldn't care why he was doing this. They would trust him.
They would accept what he's saying, 'cause they believed him, because he has integrity and honesty, the president doing the best in the world for the country, people would think that, but he doesn't own that because people do not think that of him. They don't think he's out for the best for the country. They don't think he's got honesty. They don't think so.
His approval number's down to 37% now, by the way. Have you seen that? Of course you haven't. Why am I asking? Of course you haven't! It's just out today, that Obama's approval is down to 37%. So he cannot do this on his own. He doesn't have the weight; he doesn't have the gravitas. He does not have the character to pull this off on his own.
He doesn't have the ability to say, "I'm gonna do this. It's legal. I'm President Obama. We're gonna do this because it's good for the country," and have everybody support it because they believe him. Because they don't support him, and they don't believe him. So he has to cite, for his own gravitas and credibility, Ronald Reagan -- and, in the process, distort, impugn and malign Reagan in order to stand on the same stage with him.
END TRANSCRIPT

What a shame, you liberal cocksuckers really do have 2 digit IQ's and even after this explanation of what is different, you'll still spout the BULLSHIT DEMOCRAT talking points!.... Little fools with smaller minds!

 

[Mertex]

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

They always so kind, caring and generous when it comes to other people's MONIES because these people are going onto our WELFARE system. there isn't enough jobs for us legal citizens..then they beat their chest like apes saying, see how much more WE CARE

Your money? Oh, I get it, you think they'll be getting welfare money that should be going to you.....

and, there would be enough jobs if the idiot Republicans in Congress would pass some of the job bills they've been handed instead of sitting on their butts dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President.

babble on
I'm done dealing with your nasty crap

But you have to admit, "dreaming up ways to repeal Obamacare and impeach the President" is right on the money.

That's all they know how to do...........

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Reagan acted within the law.

No Reagan Did Not Offer An Amnesty By Lawless Executive Order

Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]

The two links you provided don't say anything similar to what you claim they say, but let's just assume for a minute that your 4 statements are accurate (which they are not). A total of 322,000 people being deferred from deportation vs. Obama's plan to legalize 13 million who are here ILLEGALLY, draining our resources and getting a free ride at the taxpayer's expense for the purpose of expanding the Democratic base. Not only that, but a guarantee that millions more will follow suit, especially since he has no plan for or intention of securing the border as part of his EO. I guess you feel perfectly comfortable with terrorists crossing our borders freely along with the freeloaders.

You've read Obama's EO? How'd you manage to do that?

You deflected instead of addressing his post specifically.

 

[Lakhota]

Reagan/Bush did it - but it's a bitch when a black man does it. Funny...and racist...

 

[Vigilante]

 

[SwimExpert]

Reagan/Bush did it