Question for the anti-healthcare crowd

[elvis]

If a corporation does not make a profit they go out of business, unless the government takes them over like GM. Corporations and busnesses are not in busness to lose money.

Every other industrialized country has national health insurance, and they pay half per capita what we pay for healthcare.

and they pay double the taxes.

 

[oreo]

Not centrist but leftist tool. With all due respect the Medical industry is among the most, if not the most, heavily regulated portions of the economy already. That in and of itself goes far to explaining why the cost are such as they are. Major hospitals actually have entire departments whose entire purpose is to make sure they are in compliance with the litterally thousands of state, federal, and local rules and regulations that apply to them.

Yes, we should deregulate the medical industry.

That worked really well with the financial industry.

You might be interested to know that the Federal Government BLOCKS interstate competition between insurance companies.

Being an employer myself--& knowing that group insurance rates were very afforable 15 years ago--to where now--it is impossible to insure employees--"because we were no longer able to group small businesse's together to get the same rates as large corporations--due to government regulations."--One would think that the government needs to move back in a direction that ACTUALLY WORKED.

 

[jreeves]

Not centrist but leftist tool. With all due respect the Medical industry is among the most, if not the most, heavily regulated portions of the economy already. That in and of itself goes far to explaining why the cost are such as they are. Major hospitals actually have entire departments whose entire purpose is to make sure they are in compliance with the litterally thousands of state, federal, and local rules and regulations that apply to them.

Yes, we should deregulate the medical industry.

That worked really well with the financial industry.

Considering practically every other industry in the US is deregulated, deregulation seems to work perfectly well, troll.

 

[Chris]

Not centrist but leftist tool. With all due respect the Medical industry is among the most, if not the most, heavily regulated portions of the economy already. That in and of itself goes far to explaining why the cost are such as they are. Major hospitals actually have entire departments whose entire purpose is to make sure they are in compliance with the litterally thousands of state, federal, and local rules and regulations that apply to them.

Yes, we should deregulate the medical industry.

That worked really well with the financial industry.

Considering practically every other industry in the US is deregulated, deregulation seems to work perfectly well, troll.

Every other industry in the U.S. is deregulated?

 

[elvis]

Yes, we should deregulate the medical industry.

That worked really well with the financial industry.

Considering practically every other industry in the US is deregulated, deregulation seems to work perfectly well, troll.

Every other industry in the U.S. is deregulated?

the banks are, thanks to your boyfriend, slick willie.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Dear conservatives: Health insurance companies are not your friends. Keep opposing a new government-run insurer, a single-payer plan, and new regulations on the HMOs. But grant that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is correct on this: Insurance companies are villains.

Insurance companies lobby for big-government regulations, subsidies, mandates, and tax-code distortions that funnel them money, keep out competition, and stultify innovation. These policies preserve the employer-based health-care system that mocks the idea of free-market competition. Then they cry "unfair competition" when government threatens to encroach on their government-protected monopolies.

Timothy P. Carney: Down with the health insurers Opinion Articles - Editorials on Top News Stories | Washington Examiner

 

[Harry Dresden]

If a corporation does not make a profit they go out of business, unless the government takes them over like GM. Corporations and busnesses are not in busness to lose money.

Every other industrialized country has national health insurance, and they pay half per capita what we pay for healthcare.

lets see thats about the 97th time the mantra King has said this.....got anything new to say Chris?.....have you read a different NHC article?....or is that the only one you keep by the shitter?....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Lots of times when corporations are "under pressure to make more money" they go out and MAKE A BETTER PRODUCT to beat the competition....for which they may raise prices or just sell more of it because satisfied people will line up to buy it because it's an IMPROVEMENT...quality is normally the last thing to sacrifice because of the competition...

O'Really?

I see you are from an alternate universe. Welcome.

You see nothing punk....yer nothing but a blind partisan hack with no intelligent argument to back up your pathetic insults...

My argument just pointed out to Mr. "Centrism" (aka a liberal tool) that capitalism has many alternate answers....it's not as limited as his rigged question...take note how the liberal tool avoided any response to my question....you can be sure that quality will suffer much more under government control than under private enterprise...because capitalism CREATES while socialism just TAKES...

 

[veritas]

Considering practically every other industry in the US is deregulated, deregulation seems to work perfectly well, troll.

Every other industry in the U.S. is deregulated?

the banks are, thanks to your boyfriend, slick willie.

Banks are quite regulated actually. I think you are confusing the investment market, secondary markets and the sub prime fiasco with actual straight banking.

 

[VaYank5150]

because capitalism CREATES while socialism just TAKES...

Wow...I know you didn't think that up all by yourself. Which Right wing website did you steal it from?

 

[Harry Dresden]

You see nothing punk....yer nothing but a blind partisan hack with no intelligent argument to back up your pathetic insults...

My argument just pointed out to Mr. "Centrism" (aka a liberal tool) that capitalism has many alternate answers....it's not as limited as his rigged question...take note how the liberal tool avoided any response to my question....you can be sure that quality will suffer much more under government control than under private enterprise...because capitalism CREATES while socialism just TAKES...

your probably on his pussy ignore list Eagle like just about everyone else....

 

[garyd]

The only thing anyone changed in the banking industry Chris was Glass-Steagle which was largely redundant anyway. Glass-Steagle was anti trust legislation. It did not regulate anything other than the maximum size of the institution.

 

[veritas]

You see nothing punk....yer nothing but a blind partisan hack with no intelligent argument to back up your pathetic insults...

My argument just pointed out to Mr. "Centrism" (aka a liberal tool) that capitalism has many alternate answers....it's not as limited as his rigged question...take note how the liberal tool avoided any response to my question....you can be sure that quality will suffer much more under government control than under private enterprise...because capitalism CREATES while socialism just TAKES...

your probably on his pussy ignore list Eagle like just about everyone else....

That would be 'her' list and I can scroll past squealing buzzard's tripe quite easily. No problem mon. As you were.

 

[skookerasbil]

When you depend on profit-making corporations to provide you with care, they are under pressure to make more money every quarter. Which means they either have to raise their prices, cut the quality of their services for the same price, or both.

How is this better than a government-administered service?

Competition leads to lower prices, the government's current involvement in medical care stifles competition thus leading to higher prices. The natural progression of the market is towards lower prices and higher quality of goods or services.

best post in the thread. Problem is, liberals view any profit as evil, failing to see the positive tradeoffs.......failing to recongize that there are COSTSto quality healthcare. Indeed the best way to drive down costs is to increase competition. The obscene profit taker then goes out of business. Having the ability to go across state lines to buy insurance is a no-brainer. When government fcukks with the market...........everybody gets screwed.

 

[code1211]

Considering practically every other industry in the US is deregulated, deregulation seems to work perfectly well, troll.

Every other industry in the U.S. is deregulated?

the banks are, thanks to your boyfriend, slick willie.

This would probbly be news to the Federal Reserve Bank Auditors.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

When you depend on profit-making corporations to provide you with care, they are under pressure to make more money every quarter. Which means they either have to raise their prices, cut the quality of their services for the same price, or both.

How is this better than a government-administered service?

Another fricken dumbass who failed Economics 101.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

BTW I think health insurers should be coop/non-profit or not for profit entities.

I would gladly support a law requiring that.

What about the actual providers, though? If it's an elective procedure, I would have no problem with them charging a profit, but would it be okay to make extra bucks from somebody who just has the bad luck to get cancer?

Like I said...an economics failure. Name one company that says "We will be increasing the profit we charge to consumers.....yada..yada...yada..."

Centrism's actual voice isn't as stupid as you are portraying them to be.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Question for the anti-healthcare crowd

This is dishonest. No one's against health care reform. The people are simply against this far over-reaching, Marxist PLAN.

Instead of fixing the leaky roof, replacing the sagging steps, fixing the faulty plumbing and electrical, and changing out the bath water, THIS plan proposes to tear the whole house down and replace it with a new, trillion dollar one that still will have a leaky roof, sagging steps, bad plumbing and electrical, and throws the baby out with the bath water!

AND tries to pack millions more into it without any increase in square footage!

The plan makes no sense, and the fast, hard sell just didn't fly.

So now, following Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals, you have to try to demonize those who resist, by claiming they are "against reform, against health care."

What sort of title were you expecting from a far left wing loon??!!

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

When you depend on profit-making corporations to provide you with care, they are under pressure to make more money every quarter. Which means they either have to raise their prices, cut the quality of their services for the same price, or both.

How is this better than a government-administered service?

Another fricken dumbass who failed Economics 101.

In other words, you've got nothing but lameass insults. (And you're a pussy with a track record of running away from any real argument.)

 

[Centrism'sVoice]

When you depend on profit-making corporations to provide you with care, they are under pressure to make more money every quarter. Which means they either have to raise their prices, cut the quality of their services for the same price, or both.

How is this better than a government-administered service?

Lots of times when corporations are "under pressure to make more money" they go out and MAKE A BETTER PRODUCT to beat the competition....for which they may raise prices or just sell more of it because satisfied people will line up to buy it because it's an IMPROVEMENT...quality is normally the last thing to sacrifice because of the competition...

You won't find that happening under government management....because the government does not have to "make more money"....the govt. can just TAX you more if costs go up (and you can count on that happening)....there is no competition to worry about....and so nothing much ever gets improved....

Of those 2 scenarios... which would you REALLY prefer.... when it comes to YOUR health?

Oh, you actually wanted an answer to that? Okay: both your premises are bullshit.

If the government really ran Medicare and Social Security so badly, people would be opting out of them in droves. (It happens to be completely legal to opt out of either or both.)

And when a corporation makes a better product, do you really think it will keep the prices down out of the goodness of the board of director's collective hearts?