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Which is irrefutable proof that Obama is planning to turn the US into a socialist paradise.
The police and fire departments don't work because of socialist pensions.
Outrageous public-employee pension obligations kill the city's ability to provide vital services Want to know the single biggest reason why New York City is thinking about laying off thousands of teachers, jacking up parking meter fees and scaling back fire protection? The answer boils down to one word: pensions. .
Which is irrefutable proof that Obama is planning to turn the US into a socialist paradise.
These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brothers keeper, I am my sisters keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call.
- President Barack Hussein Obama, August 2009
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The police and fire departments don't work because of socialist pensions.
Outrageous public-employee pension obligations kill the city's ability to provide vital services Want to know the single biggest reason why New York City is thinking about laying off thousands of teachers, jacking up parking meter fees and scaling back fire protection? The answer boils down to one word: pensions. .
This is an interesting article, long on assertions but with some interesting numbers. No question the pension system, in both public and private sectors, require reforming. The mandatory enrollment into the 401(K) for public sector new hires is a super idea. Another one for the private sector is that the golden parachutes guys and gals are not paid in first and full when those pensions go bust.
If Contumacious is suggesting that "greed" is the overwhelming social ill in America today, I agree.
lol...go fuck yourself. Now you have made this personal by sending me personal messages because you lack comprehension. Gosh, you are fucking moron.
Listen fuckstick, that Kos link was a sarcastic link about Obama's socialism, showing how the stock market, corporations, and investors are thriving off of Obama's socialism.
Now fucktard, explain to me how that is socialism.
I'll condescend to you this one time and then you need to get on with your life. Okay?
I'm a liberal who is asking others for proof that President Obama is pushing the United States towards the brink of socialism.
Dante's replies have nothing to do with you personally, but the personal message sent to was a gift. You have now joined a special club. The USMB Club for Social Misfits.
toodle doo
How much GM stock does the federal government still own? How long before the Government has complete control of the health care system?
If you can answer these questions, you may realize that these are two first steps to create a socialist country.
Yes it is.
Socialism is government control of the economy, no matter what form it takes. Capitalism is private control.
It's as simple as that.
Control or ownership. Neither are happening and Obama is not pushing for either to happen.
But hey, maybe I missed something. Care to give us examples.
No maybe about you missing something. As I already stated, the government owns a large portion of General Motors and plans to completely control the health care system in the near future.
Both are Obama's initiatives.
President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?
GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.
I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.
I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.
dD
Yeah. hard-hitting facts! Not.
Outrageous public-employee pension obligations kill the city's ability to provide vital services Want to know the single biggest reason why New York City is thinking about laying off thousands of teachers, jacking up parking meter fees and scaling back fire protection? The answer boils down to one word: pensions. .
This is an interesting article, long on assertions but with some interesting numbers. No question the pension system, in both public and private sectors, require reforming. The mandatory enrollment into the 401(K) for public sector new hires is a super idea. Another one for the private sector is that the golden parachutes guys and gals are not paid in first and full when those pensions go bust.
If Contumacious is suggesting that "greed" is the overwhelming social ill in America today, I agree.
As per usual, you are - purposely - way off. Socialism, of the fascistic variety , is the overwhelming social ill in America today. .
There is nothing in "the above" that indicates I'm not using facts and evidence. Obama's biggest stumbling block in accomplishing his Marxist makeover is THE CONSTITUTION. He ignores it when he can, but he can't make it go away.Ahhh yes...but then there's that pesky old Constitution Obama has to deal with. It is difficult for him to accomplish his campaign promises because of the Constitution. Imagine that!If Obama was actually pushing for Socialism, he would have seized control of the banks and passed a Universal Health Care plan.
"Conservatives" don't know what Socialism means.
The above is why the GOP is going to get its ass beat this fall if this nonsense continues.
Try facts and evidence, asaratis.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
My God! You Obamabots are D E N S E! There's proof sprinkled all through this pathetic thread.President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?
GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.
I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.
I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.
dD
Still no proof?
go figure
Here's a trite little question for you.If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
Right wingers are not much into fact. Or proof. They are much more into slogans that sound good and are mostly made up.
Like "you can't tax the ultra rich more, they are the job creators". No proof. But it sounds good. To them.
My God! You Obamabots are D E N S E! There's proof sprinkled all through this pathetic thread.President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?
GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.
I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.
I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.
dD
Still no proof?
go figure
As usual, the liberal argument is to ignore what's been said and restate the stupid fucking question, acting as if no answers have been given. You birdbrains can sit around and pat each other on the back all day long...won't change a goddamned thing.
Obama is a goddamned Marxist!
Liberalism is a mental disorder!
Have you ever been hired for a full time job by a poor person?
My God! You Obamabots are D E N S E! There's proof sprinkled all through this pathetic thread.Still no proof?
go figure
As usual, the liberal argument is to ignore what's been said and restate the stupid fucking question, acting as if no answers have been given. You birdbrains can sit around and pat each other on the back all day long...won't change a goddamned thing.
Obama is a goddamned Marxist!
Liberalism is a mental disorder!
There's no point to arguing with Dante, he's dumber that TM and more predictable than Deany
Rational liberals are few and far between.
