President Obama's Push Towards Socialism

[DontBeStupid]

Romney Care is a socialistic approach to a capitalist nightmare in the area of health insurance.

Regulating a business or industry is not Socialism.

Yes it is.

Socialism is government control of the economy, no matter what form it takes. Capitalism is private control.

It's as simple as that.

Control or ownership. Neither are happening and Obama is not pushing for either to happen.

But hey, maybe I missed something. Care to give us examples.

 

[Valox]

oh...
you have no clue...

lol...go fuck yourself. Now you have made this personal by sending me personal messages because you lack comprehension. Gosh, you are fucking moron.

Listen fuckstick, that Kos link was a sarcastic link about Obama's socialism, showing how the stock market, corporations, and investors are thriving off of Obama's socialism.

Now fucktard, explain to me how that is socialism.

I'll condescend to you this one time and then you need to get on with your life. Okay?

I'm a liberal who is asking others for proof that President Obama is pushing the United States towards the brink of socialism.

Dante's replies have nothing to do with you personally, but the personal message sent to was a gift. You have now joined a special club. The USMB Club for Social Misfits.

toodle doo

lol....you replied to me personally, yet you claim that you are not taking this conversation personally. Gosh, you are a confused individual.

You are the one who threw a fit when I pointed out that the Kos link was a sarcastic link. Since you are a dumbass inbred, mouthbreather who doesn't understand what sarcasm is, you decided to make this personal.

Now go fuck yourself and come back when you understand what socialism is.

 

[edthecynic]

Why would a left-winger like you have a photo of H.L. Mencken as your avatar?

H.L Mencken despised everything liberals believe in.

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[Chris]

For Republicans "socialism" is any money spent on the non wealthy.

But many of the programs or parts of the programs Obama has pushed have been Republican ideas or proposals not too long ago.

So true.

Requiring people to have health insurance was a Republican idea.

 

[Too Tall]

oh...
you have no clue...

lol...go fuck yourself. Now you have made this personal by sending me personal messages because you lack comprehension. Gosh, you are fucking moron.

Listen fuckstick, that Kos link was a sarcastic link about Obama's socialism, showing how the stock market, corporations, and investors are thriving off of Obama's socialism.

Now fucktard, explain to me how that is socialism.

I'll condescend to you this one time and then you need to get on with your life. Okay?

I'm a liberal who is asking others for proof that President Obama is pushing the United States towards the brink of socialism.

Dante's replies have nothing to do with you personally, but the personal message sent to was a gift. You have now joined a special club. The USMB Club for Social Misfits.

toodle doo

How much GM stock does the federal government still own? How long before the Government has complete control of the health care system?

If you can answer these questions, you may realize that these are two first steps to create a socialist country.

 

[Chris]

The happiest place on earth is socialist.....

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Denmark is a place where stoic locals wear sensible shoes and snack on herring sandwiches. Sure, they produce the occasional supermodel, but its most famous countryman may be the late entertainer Victor Borge.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.

Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.

Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

 

[Too Tall]

Regulating a business or industry is not Socialism.

Yes it is.

Socialism is government control of the economy, no matter what form it takes. Capitalism is private control.

It's as simple as that.

Control or ownership. Neither are happening and Obama is not pushing for either to happen.

But hey, maybe I missed something. Care to give us examples.

No maybe about you missing something. As I already stated, the government owns a large portion of General Motors and plans to completely control the health care system in the near future.

Both are Obama's initiatives.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GM will control its own stock within the next two years, and becoming a single-payer entity is not owning or controlling "the entire health care system in the near future."

 

[Too Tall]

GM will control its own stock within the next two years, and becoming a single-payer entity is not owning or controlling "the entire health care system in the near future."

Now that Honda and Toyota manufacturing have recovered from the tsunami, GM will lose the market share they enjoyed this past year. I will bet they don't buy back their stock any time soon.

And, 'single payer' is, by definition, absolute and complete control of the entire health care system.

 

[DontBeStupid]

GM will control its own stock within the next two years, and becoming a single-payer entity is not owning or controlling "the entire health care system in the near future."

Now that Honda and Toyota manufacturing have recovered from the tsunami, GM will lose the market share they enjoyed this past year. I will bet they don't buy back their stock any time soon.

And, 'single payer' is, by definition, absolute and complete control of the entire health care system.

And Obama is not pushing for one.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How much GM stock does the federal government still own?

Only 26 percent, in no way a ‘takeover.’

G.M.'s record-smashing profits: 6 talking points - Yahoo! News

And Treasury plans on selling the remaining stock.

How long before the Government has complete control of the health care system?

Ridiculous question, provide proof, not partisan speculation.

Needless to say it’s no surprise that no one on the right could prove Obama is ‘pushing the country toward socialism.’ No one expected them to do so, for that matter.

Everyone knows such a notion is empty rhetoric by the right; in fact, most on the right don't believe it themselves, but it’s good for a sound bite to stir up the Base.

 

[Meister]

President Obama's Push Towards Socialism:

If Obama was actually pushing for Socialism, he would have seized control of the banks and passed a Universal Health Care plan.

"Conservatives" don't know what Socialism means.

Really, you mean that all democrat politicians would be on board with his push to socialism?
What he wanted with UHC could not be accomplished with the democrats when he had a super majority. You might want to reconsider your premise.

 

[bripat9643]

Denmark is ranked 11th on the Heritage index of economic freedom. The United States is ranked 10th. So it seems that Denmark, your standard of socialist Utopia, is only the tiniest bit more socialist than the United States.

The happiest place on earth is socialist.....

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Denmark is a place where stoic locals wear sensible shoes and snack on herring sandwiches. Sure, they produce the occasional supermodel, but its most famous countryman may be the late entertainer Victor Borge.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.

Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.

Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

 

[Meister]

Denmark is ranked 11th on the Heritage index of economic freedom. The United States is ranked 10th. So it seems that Denmark, your standard of socialist Utopia, is only a smidgeon more socialist than the United States.

The happiest place on earth is socialist.....

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Denmark is a place where stoic locals wear sensible shoes and snack on herring sandwiches. Sure, they produce the occasional supermodel, but its most famous countryman may be the late entertainer Victor Borge.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.

Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.

Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

I'm just glad that a left wing whacko came out of the closet and inferred he would be a happy socialist.

 

[DontBeStupid]

President Obama's Push Towards Socialism:

If Obama was actually pushing for Socialism, he would have seized control of the banks and passed a Universal Health Care plan.

"Conservatives" don't know what Socialism means.

Really, you mean that all democrat politicians would be on board with his push to socialism?
What he wanted with UHC could not be accomplished with the democrats when he had a super majority. You might want to reconsider your premise.

It's a popular talking point that Obama and the Dems had super majorities for two years and could pass anything.

It's popular, and also wrong.

 

[Meister]

If Obama was actually pushing for Socialism, he would have seized control of the banks and passed a Universal Health Care plan.

"Conservatives" don't know what Socialism means.

Really, you mean that all democrat politicians would be on board with his push to socialism?
What he wanted with UHC could not be accomplished with the democrats when he had a super majority. You might want to reconsider your premise.

It's a popular talking point that Obama and the Dems had super majorities for two years and could pass anything.

It's popular, and also wrong.

Obama wanted UHC....he couldn't get it, hell, he had Pelosi bribe and threat his own democrats to get what he got. sheesh....

 

[Clementine]

President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?

GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.

I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.

I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.

If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.

"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.

dD

Obama himself stated recently that capitalism doesn't work and never has. Then he talked about his change. What do you make of that? If we take him at his word, we are accused of being paranoid that he is taking us toward socialism. Just what do you think he is going to replace capitalism with? I'm serious, I want to know.

 

[idb]

President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?

GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.

I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.

I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.

If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.

"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.

dD

Obama himself stated recently that capitalism doesn't work and never has. Then he talked about his change. What do you make of that? If we take him at his word, we are accused of being paranoid that he is taking us toward socialism. Just what do you think he is going to replace capitalism with? I'm serious, I want to know.

Is he proposing to replace capitalism?

 

[jgarden]

President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?

GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.

I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.

I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.

If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.

"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.

dD

Obama is "socialist" compared to what - the leaders of the Peoples Republic(s) of Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom, Norway, Australia, France ...?

All have gone over the "brink" and are far more "socialist" by US standards, all are considered democracies in good standing and all just happen to be American Allies!

For a candidate who considers himself the "standard bearer" of traditional Christian values, Santorum plays fast and loose when it comes to the truth!

 

[JakeStarkey]

GM will control its own stock within the next two years, and becoming a single-payer entity is not owning or controlling "the entire health care system in the near future."

Now that Honda and Toyota manufacturing have recovered from the tsunami, GM will lose the market share they enjoyed this past year. I will bet they don't buy back their stock any time soon.

And, 'single payer' is, by definition, absolute and complete control of the entire health care system.

And Obama is not pushing for one.

Not by any sane definition, Too Tall. As if Medicaid or Medicare owns the health industry.

You far righties really don't understand this at all, do you?