Poll: Is Bernie Sanders too extreme to win the General Election?

[RandallFlagg]

Personally, I don't believe America is quite ready for his socialist utopia. Even if he would win the Democratic Primary and swing more moderate - he would lose many of his young supporters. I would guess that Republicans are salivating at the thought of facing Sanders in the General Election.

Bernie Sanders Isn’t Electable, and Here’s Why

The blunt truth: I just can’t see Bernie Sanders winning a general election. Three months ago, I thought it might be possible, maybe. But watching the campaign unfold as it has, and given some time to ponder how circumstances might play themselves out, I’ve become less convinced that he could beat any of the Republicans. He’d probably have the best shot against Ted Cruz. But in that case, as we now know, Mike Bloomberg would get in, and I think he’d be formidable, but I don’t want to get into why here. That’s another column, if indeed it ever needs to be written.

This column is about Sanders’s chances, which I think are virtually nil for two reasons.

Reason one: He’s not an enrolled Democrat. Understand that I say this not as a judgment on him, but as a description of what would surely become, were he the nominee, a deep, practical liability. Let me explain.

Now, the second reason. I think Sanders is uniquely vulnerable to scorching foreign-policy attacks.

My feeling that Sanders could win a general election was never strong, based on the usual stuff, i.e., 74-year-old socialist from Vermont. But recently I’ve been reflecting on these two matters, his lack of affiliation with the party whose standard he wants to bear, and his unique vulnerability to attack on foreign policy at a time when those issues are much more in the forefront of voters’ minds than usual. As I’ve written before, current general election head-to-head polling is meaningless, since conservatives haven’t yet spent a dollar attacking him. If he’s the nominee, they’re going to spend at least five hundred million of them doing that. And some Democrats, more likely a lot of Democrats, are going to run away from him. I can’t see how that ends well.

More: Bernie Sanders Isn’t Electable, and Here’s Why

Bernie Sanders has about as much chance of becoming President as I do - NONE.

 

[Indeependent]

Personally, I don't believe America is quite ready for his socialist utopia. Even if he would win the Democratic Primary and swing more moderate - he would lose many of his young supporters. I would guess that Republicans are salivating at the thought of facing Sanders in the General Election.

Saints be praised!!! I finally agree with you on something. Sanders will get shellacked in a debate when he can't explain how he plans to pay for all his free shit

How many times must he explain it already for you to pay attention?

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He has very clearly explained the Free Stuff part of it. He has not explained how he is going to pay for it....not to people with a brain...but, to such people--he doesn't have to explain...we already know Marx....Lenin...Stalin...they were only the latest and greatest experiment in Socialism..all of which have failed.

But, it has been a whole generation since that experiment collapsed in total cultural, moral, intellectual, financial bankruptcy and ignominy. Millions died or lived in poverty and fear, because Communism, the governmental arm of Socialism--they go hand in hand, any one with a brain knows this---because it will take a Government which will kill you---to cow the productive people to stand still for having their property confiscated--which is that part of the Bern's plan he is a little vague on. I'm not talking about "the 1%". Its everybody---from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But the generation which has come along since the Russian's 80 year nightmare ended....they were educated in the public schools which have been dummied-down to suit the Democrats...and so this generation is doubly ignorant.....and they are the poor fools who are "feeling the Bern".

So who can explain to me how to pay for non-Ricardian Free Trade?

 

[9aces]

Personally, I don't believe America is quite ready for his socialist utopia. Even if he would win the Democratic Primary and swing more moderate - he would lose many of his young supporters. I would guess that Republicans are salivating at the thought of facing Sanders in the General Election.

Saints be praised!!! I finally agree with you on something. Sanders will get shellacked in a debate when he can't explain how he plans to pay for all his free shit

How many times must he explain it already for you to pay attention?

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He has very clearly explained the Free Stuff part of it. He has not explained how he is going to pay for it....not to people with a brain...but, to such people--he doesn't have to explain...we already know Marx....Lenin...Stalin...they were only the latest and greatest experiment in Socialism..all of which have failed.

But, it has been a whole generation since that experiment collapsed in total cultural, moral, intellectual, financial bankruptcy and ignominy. Millions died or lived in poverty and fear, because Communism, the governmental arm of Socialism--they go hand in hand, any one with a brain knows this---because it will take a Government which will kill you---to cow the productive people to stand still for having their property confiscated--which is that part of the Bern's plan he is a little vague on. I'm not talking about "the 1%". Its everybody---from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But the generation which has come along since the Russian's 80 year nightmare ended....they were educated in the public schools which have been dummied-down to suit the Democrats...and so this generation is doubly ignorant.....and they are the poor fools who are "feeling the Bern".

So who can explain to me how to pay for non-Ricardian Free Trade?

Rainbows and Unicorns shitting gold?

That's pretty much the only way fantasy economics work.

 

[Indeependent]

No he hasn't, any economist will tell you his plan can't be funded, it's an impossibility.

"Any" economist? So you can just pick one at random and show us the math? Please do so.

I listened to Sanders once a week for about an hout on the Thom Hartmann Radio Show.
Sanders never said anything that was more outlandish than the shit Corporate America's been pulling on the rest of us.

So vote for him, to be honest I've read your comments and you're as much an economic illiterate as Billy is. Have a good night, I've already had my fill of Sander dumb phuck supporters

You're problem is that you REFUSE to see the situation from the other side.
That's not the same as ACCEPTING a SOLUTION from the other side.
Can you honestly tell me that Congress hasn't been bought up the kazoo and that the American people haven't been screwed?
But there are obviously MILLIONS of voters out there that believe everything is just honky dory.
I see both extremes as big trouble.

 

[Indeependent]

Personally, I don't believe America is quite ready for his socialist utopia. Even if he would win the Democratic Primary and swing more moderate - he would lose many of his young supporters. I would guess that Republicans are salivating at the thought of facing Sanders in the General Election.

Saints be praised!!! I finally agree with you on something. Sanders will get shellacked in a debate when he can't explain how he plans to pay for all his free shit

How many times must he explain it already for you to pay attention?

__________________________

He has very clearly explained the Free Stuff part of it. He has not explained how he is going to pay for it....not to people with a brain...but, to such people--he doesn't have to explain...we already know Marx....Lenin...Stalin...they were only the latest and greatest experiment in Socialism..all of which have failed.

But, it has been a whole generation since that experiment collapsed in total cultural, moral, intellectual, financial bankruptcy and ignominy. Millions died or lived in poverty and fear, because Communism, the governmental arm of Socialism--they go hand in hand, any one with a brain knows this---because it will take a Government which will kill you---to cow the productive people to stand still for having their property confiscated--which is that part of the Bern's plan he is a little vague on. I'm not talking about "the 1%". Its everybody---from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But the generation which has come along since the Russian's 80 year nightmare ended....they were educated in the public schools which have been dummied-down to suit the Democrats...and so this generation is doubly ignorant.....and they are the poor fools who are "feeling the Bern".

So who can explain to me how to pay for non-Ricardian Free Trade?

Rainbows and Unicorns shitting gold?

That's pretty much the only way fantasy economics work.

Whose fantasy? Bill Gates or Bernie Sanders or both?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[conserveguy877]

It's more like he's too senile when talking about about balancing the budgets. Plus talk about dividing inside the house. He's going to make it terrible. Worse than obama has had it. Now, hillary is the other poison that would get bailed out by the establishments. Who also is extreme.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Indeependent]

People could say the same about Trump's grandiose visions.
The task is to outline the proposals of each and explain the {lack of} feasibility.

 

[Toro]

Bernie is too extreme and Hillary is too corrupt.

 

[Indeependent]

Bernie is too extreme and Hillary is too corrupt.

We need more Business Visas Ted Cruz!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lakhota]

Bernie is too extreme and Hillary is too corrupt.

Yes, Bernie is too extreme - but Hillary has not been proven to be corrupt.

 

[alpine]

Bernie Sanders is not electable, because American people used to the way it is...

 

[Lakhota]

The next president may get to nominate a couple Supreme Court justices - hopefully liberals ones.

 

[conserveguy877]

This is where I see Trump's support grow to stop that shit.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This is the second time I've read a post of capitulation from a known liberal in the last five minutes..... should I feel suspicious?

 

[paulitician]

I like the old dude, but he'll likely go the way of Ron Paul on the Republican side. His Party powers-that-be will likely turn on him and go with Clinton. Doesn't look like the country's ready for him.

 

[amrchaos]

I like the old dude, but he'll likely go the way of Ron Paul on the Republican side. His Party powers-that-be will likely turn on him and go with Clinton. Doesn't look like the country's ready for him.

Doubtful--They know that Bernie is still playing with kids gloves on.

 

[paulitician]

I like the old dude, but he'll likely go the way of Ron Paul on the Republican side. His Party powers-that-be will likely turn on him and go with Clinton. Doesn't look like the country's ready for him.

Doubtful--They know that Bernie is still playing with kids gloves on.

The Big Banks have their Candidate. The cash is going to Clinton. I don't think Sanders stands a chance.

 

[amrchaos]

I like the old dude, but he'll likely go the way of Ron Paul on the Republican side. His Party powers-that-be will likely turn on him and go with Clinton. Doesn't look like the country's ready for him.

Doubtful--They know that Bernie is still playing with kids gloves on.

The Big Banks have their Candidate. The cash is going to Clinton. I don't think Sanders stands a chance.

The one who knows that the most is Sanders.

However, he has woken a sleeping giant. A mass of people that truly hates capitalism. It is not a revolution as of yet. However, it is not good for the structure of the Party

The next couple of decades can become a perilous time for the Democrats "Big Tent". Especially if the far left take their signals from the far right and realize that now is the time to split and form their own party.

The liberals were cheering about the changing Demographics!! But "what if" it come with changing political alliances as well?

We could very well see an ideological pure "Right" and "Left" party with Liberal Republicans and Big Corp Liberals making up the middle!! Where would you stand in this new alignment!!??

Power would be hard to come by in such a system. In fact, the grip of power would be very slippery, changing hands as fast as House changes political make up!!

I thrive for such a future in American politics!

Go Bernie Go!