POLL: Conservatives & Progressives: What is your goal here?

[LoneLaugher]

Some people think being called an asshole or a dickhead or a moron is insulting.

Many find it insulting to be labeled a bigot or a racist.

Others may feel that being personally blamed for a mass shooting or a cop being attacked is more of an insult.

Mac doesn't have to answer his own poll question because he'd never do any of these things.

 

[Mac1958]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere.
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[LoneLaugher]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere.
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What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

 

[Mac1958]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere..

What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

Wow, this thread really triggered you, sorry.
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[skews13]

Well Mac, seeing as how you called a pretty decent conservative politician a "winger, " and lumped him in as though he's the same kind of SHIT that the shooter was is... well... stupid.

So you list yourself in your list of hey look at me everybody as white, and damn proud of it, but expect to be taken seriously, or given any respect all for the rest of the list?

That about sum up your position, as you are calling out the OP?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm here to use my brain.

If you need to come here to use your brain, you're in big trouble pal.

 

[Pete7469]

So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.

Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
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If there were intellectual conversations going on it would be one thing, but that can't happen when %95 of the left's argument is tainted with bullshit to one degree or another. Liberals, and some cranky and or stupid "right wingers" say stupid shit and they should be mocked.

When I do on rare occasion see a lefty post that isn't an insane rant or media matters spam I comment depending on the post.

Notice the left's reaction to the event though. How can you have respect for "people" like these?

After Gunman Opens Fire On GOP Congressmen, Liberals Do Something SICK

 

[LoneLaugher]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere..

What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

Wow, this thread really triggered you, sorry.
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What was your goal with that comment?

 

[Mac1958]

So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.

Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
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If there were intellectual conversations going on it would be one thing, but that can't happen when %95 of the left's argument is tainted with bullshit to one degree or another. Liberals, and some cranky and or stupid "right wingers" say stupid shit and they should be mocked.

When I do on rare occasion see a lefty post that isn't an insane rant or media matters spam I comment depending on the post.

Notice the left's reaction to the even though. How can you have respect for "people" like these?

After Gunman Opens Fire On GOP Congressmen, Liberals Do Something SICK

I'm probably not the one to ask, because admittedly I don't really know how to communicate with partisan ideologues. There's definitely something I'm not getting, something about the process I don't understand.

But I'm pretty sure of this - whether it's a personal relationship or a business setting or between groups, once communication collapses, everything pretty much goes in the shitter.

That's why one of the answers I provided was "one day my side will win". I wonder if the ends of the spectrum figure their side will "win" and they don't HAVE to communicate with the other.
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[Seawytch]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere..

What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

Wow, this thread really triggered you, sorry.
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That seems unnecessarily confrontational.

Why are you here Mac?

 

[Mac1958]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere..

What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

Wow, this thread really triggered you, sorry.
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That seems unnecessarily confrontational.

Why are you here Mac?

To observe and to occasionally belch out my opinion.

How about you?
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[Darkwind]

I have learned over the course of two decades of forum participation, that an open and honest debate with progressives is a pipe dream. They are, hands down, the single most close-minded people on the planet. So, you ask after My goals for participation on sites like this and that is simple.

There may actually be people who first show up on forums like this one, actually looking to express their ideas and have a meaningful conversation. Of course, after a week of seeing what really happens, many of them just leave to continue their search for what it is they were looking for. My purpose, is to provide a counter-point to anything the progressives on this or any site have to say. People need to view, read, and think about all aspects of an issue. A person who considers other points of view without feeling threatened by them is a well rounded individual and it is My goal to put My views out their for them to consider.

I have long given up on the idiots on the left and in truth, though I do try to fight the urge, they really don't deserve much more than ridicule and mocking. There are, of course, exceptions and there are a couple of democrats on this site that really aren't such bad people.

I didn't vote as none of the options fit My goals, though I think mango ir probably closest.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.

Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
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Their goal is to silence our side. We see this in the streets, at college campuses and classrooms, here on USMB by saying anybody that disagrees with liberalism is racist, sexist homophobe.......

The left has very little in the way of common sense. Pragmatism is a theme of the right. To allow conservatives to speak freely or enact legislation to steer our country in the proper direction is a huge threat to the left and they know it. Letting us run the show for a while would prove successful and people may leave the left and join the right which has been happening the last decade.

The only way to keep their constituents is to build a wall. They use any and all tools to do this. They use the media, they use Hollywood, they use the unions, they use indoctrination of our children, they use the internet.......

 

[Mac1958]

I have learned over the course of two decades of forum participation, that an open and honest debate with progressives is a pipe dream. They are, hands down, the single most close-minded people on the planet. So, you ask after My goals for participation on sites like this and that is simple.

There may actually be people who first show up on forums like this one, actually looking to express their ideas and have a meaningful conversation. Of course, after a week of seeing what really happens, many of them just leave to continue their search for what it is they were looking for. My purpose, is to provide a counter-point to anything the progressives on this or any site have to say. People need to view, read, and think about all aspects of an issue. A person who considers other points of view without feeling threatened by them is a well rounded individual and it is My goal to put My views out their for them to consider.

I have long given up on the idiots on the left and in truth, though I do try to fight the urge, they really don't deserve much more than ridicule and mocking.

I didn't vote as none of the options fit My goals, though I think mango ir probably closest.

Yeah, I'm all about the mango.

Anyway, I appreciate your response. Tell me this: Do you feel that when the left wing and the right wing are butting heads with their views of things, that between the two the whole picture is being presented? I think that a more accurate picture would include a larger piece than either the Left OR the Right, a middle that has both elements of each wing and its own elements as well.
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[Pete7469]

I'm probably not the one to ask, because admittedly I don't really know how to communicate with partisan ideologues. There's definitely something I'm not getting, something about the process I don't understand.

But I'm pretty sure of this - whether it's a personal relationship or a business setting or between groups, once communication collapses, everything pretty much goes in the shitter.

That's why one of the answers I provided was "one day my side will win". I wonder if the ends of the spectrum figure their side will "win" and they don't HAVE to communicate with the other.
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I don't exactly fit into another "side". I simply LOATHE collectivism and globalists.

I have a friend who is now actually my boss, but he is now partner of the company we worked at when we were kids. He's a Bernie Sanders sort of loon on a lot of issues at least until the cost of socialism hit him in his own pocket. Otherwise politically he is completely programmed by main stream TV "information". He does support the 2A though. Otherwise a decent dude and he hired me out of his socialist pity.


Anyway we can even get a little heated sometimes but we don't cross a line.

Here people who parrot moonbat gibberish can just be told to go fuck themselves. They can be mocked in public and shamed because they should be. It serves no purpose to mock and shame your colleges or associates/friends in public or private unless they say something so stupid you no longer want to be associated with them. Libturds like fakey regular say asinine shit like that. The problem is, these "people" like fakey and his socks, plus moonbats like NYCrackhead rderp and guano et al need to be ridiculed. It should be shameful to parrot stupid ill informed bullshit in public.

Anyone seen guano lately? Perhaps he achieved ambient temperature at a baseball field recently?

 

[Mac1958]

So a winger from one end shoots a Congressman from the other end, and we on USMB take that serious and thought-provoking occasion to keep right on attacking, mocking & insulting each other. Pretty much immediately.

Tell me, what is the goal of non-stop attacks on the other side?
.

Their goal is to silence our side. We see this in the streets, at college campuses and classrooms, here on USMB by saying anybody that disagrees with liberalism is racist, sexist homophobe.......

The left has very little in the way of common sense. Pragmatism is a theme of the right. To allow conservatives to speak freely or enact legislation to steer our country in the proper direction is a huge threat to the left and they know it. Letting us run the show for a while would prove successful and people may leave the left and join the right which has been happening the last decade.

The only way to keep their constituents is to build a wall. They use any and all tools to do this. They use the media, they use Hollywood, they use the unions, they use indoctrination of our children, they use the internet.......

I certainly agree about the Left and its attempts to shut down opposing speech. As I say all the time, these people are not liberals. But the right is just as rigid when it comes to cooperation, to bending on ANYTHING. Cooperation to the Right is abject capitulation.

So what we are left with is two immovable objects and zero communication. Once communication is 100% gone, it's fucking OVER. And we're not far from that right now.

SOMEBODY has re-open lines of communication. Do you agree with that, and if so, who will that be?
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[Seawytch]

I see no benefit whatsoever in personally attacking anyone. Especially over political POV's. And honestly to read it constantly is boring, and disgusting.

There has to be a reason for the behavior, though. A clear-thinking adult knows that insulting, mocking and attacking another person isn't going to change that person's mind, so the goal has to be something else. And I'm not talking about just USMB, either. This is literally cultural now. It's everywhere..

What's your reason, Mac? What's your goal?

Wow, this thread really triggered you, sorry.
.

That seems unnecessarily confrontational.

Why are you here Mac?

To observe and to occasionally belch out my opinion.

How about you?
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Debating politics is a hobby I can't exercise IRL so I do it on message boards.

I'm on earth to live a good life and serve my fellow man.

 

[Darkwind]

I have learned over the course of two decades of forum participation, that an open and honest debate with progressives is a pipe dream. They are, hands down, the single most close-minded people on the planet. So, you ask after My goals for participation on sites like this and that is simple.

There may actually be people who first show up on forums like this one, actually looking to express their ideas and have a meaningful conversation. Of course, after a week of seeing what really happens, many of them just leave to continue their search for what it is they were looking for. My purpose, is to provide a counter-point to anything the progressives on this or any site have to say. People need to view, read, and think about all aspects of an issue. A person who considers other points of view without feeling threatened by them is a well rounded individual and it is My goal to put My views out their for them to consider.

I have long given up on the idiots on the left and in truth, though I do try to fight the urge, they really don't deserve much more than ridicule and mocking.

I didn't vote as none of the options fit My goals, though I think mango ir probably closest.

Yeah, I'm all about the mango.

Anyway, I appreciate your response. Tell me this: Do you feel that when the left wing and the right wing are butting heads with their views of things, that between the two the whole picture is being presented? I think that a more accurate picture would include a larger piece, a middle that has both elements of each wing and its own elements as well.
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On this forum or forums in general?

On this forum, I would definitively and emphatically say no. I think it was the first reply to this thread that expressed what really goes on here, and typifies what happens. They attend to the flame zone as if it is the be all, end all of this forum. They take the attitudes and meanness to the other topics. So, whenever someone posts a thread, regardless of topics, the replies start right in with the insults. They bypass any attempt at thinking about what is being asked and just go for the throat. The attitudes is pretty much as that poster said. The rest of the forum is nothing and they're just here to laugh and insult their 'target de jour'. for that week or day.

 

[Mac1958]

I have learned over the course of two decades of forum participation, that an open and honest debate with progressives is a pipe dream. They are, hands down, the single most close-minded people on the planet. So, you ask after My goals for participation on sites like this and that is simple.

There may actually be people who first show up on forums like this one, actually looking to express their ideas and have a meaningful conversation. Of course, after a week of seeing what really happens, many of them just leave to continue their search for what it is they were looking for. My purpose, is to provide a counter-point to anything the progressives on this or any site have to say. People need to view, read, and think about all aspects of an issue. A person who considers other points of view without feeling threatened by them is a well rounded individual and it is My goal to put My views out their for them to consider.

I have long given up on the idiots on the left and in truth, though I do try to fight the urge, they really don't deserve much more than ridicule and mocking.

I didn't vote as none of the options fit My goals, though I think mango ir probably closest.

Yeah, I'm all about the mango.

Anyway, I appreciate your response. Tell me this: Do you feel that when the left wing and the right wing are butting heads with their views of things, that between the two the whole picture is being presented? I think that a more accurate picture would include a larger piece, a middle that has both elements of each wing and its own elements as well.
.

On this forum or forums in general?

On this forum, I would definitively and emphatically say no. I think it was the first reply to this thread that expressed what really goes on here, and typifies what happens. They attend to the flame zone as if it is the be all, end all of this forum. They take the attitudes and meanness to the other topics. So, whenever someone posts a thread, regardless of topics, the replies start right in with the insults. They bypass any attempt at thinking about what is being asked and just go for the throat. The attitudes is pretty much as that poster said. The rest of the forum is nothing and they're just here to laugh and insult their 'target de jour'. for that week or day.

No, what really concerns me is that, at least in my opinion, this forum (and any similar forum) is becoming less and less an anomaly and more and more a microcosm. This kind of behavior is saturating our culture now, everywhere. It infests popular culture, sports, entertainment, everything. I'm seeing/hearing fewer and fewer voices of moderation, and that does worry me.
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[Pete7469]

I certainly agree about the Left and its attempts to shut down opposing speech. As I say all the time, these people are not liberals. But the right is just as rigid when it comes to cooperation, to bending on ANYTHING. Cooperation to the Right is abject capitulation.

So what we are left with is two immovable objects and zero communication. Once communication is 100% gone, it's fucking OVER. And we're not far from that right now.

SOMEBODY has re-open lines of communication. Do you agree with that, and if so, who will that be?
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I suppose if you think it's ever going to get beyond simply electoral struggle, "the right" has the guns. They don't have to negotiate. I don't see it ever going to that, because the people with the guns are generally more religious. So far statistics prove you need to worry about people who tend to vote democrook and steal guns as far as mass shooters go.