Police,with FBI help seize gun from man COMPLETELY based on his political beliefs,affiliations

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The supreme court will reverse this and Hand his guns back and apologize

How does the supreme Court determine these things on a case by case basis ?? Doesn't the supreme Court mostly look at cases that would set precedence for the people and the nation (larger impact) instead of being bothered by individual cases that can be handled in the lower courts ?

We all have rights. This does Affect all citizens if they can get away with it

Get away with what ?

Violating the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."
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He was not adjudicated to be a prohibited person who could not possess firearms, an order was issued without him being allowed to defend himself or face his accusers, which resulted in the suspension of his second amendment rights for a year.

This is what is disturbing about this action not his political affiliation or him being a threat to certain segments of the population (wanting to incite a race war). If he's as violent and as much of a threat as law enforcement is portraying him to be they should have been able to do what they needed through regular legal channels but I believe the first article I read stated that the government did not have sufficient evidence to do so.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

The Constitution guarantees the right of free association no matter how dispicable.

Since 9-11 ?? Just trying to be informed here.

Yes....the Constitution still gaurantees that.

Realistically, not for everyone

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I agree I don't like the idea of this, but this guy's "political views" were violent and terroristic in nature. Had they done nothing and this guy went on to kill a bunch of folks and it came out they had known about this guy, there would be outrage everywhere at the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the public!

In America, we don't have thought police we don't enforce police actions until a crime has been committed

 

[pknopp]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

The Constitution guarantees the right of free association no matter how dispicable.

Since 9-11 ?? Just trying to be informed here.

Yes....the Constitution still gaurantees that.

Realistically, not for everyone

Shouldn't the NRA lawyer him up?

 

[candycorn]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

Again with the LYING. You lose credibility with these cheap shots

 

[candycorn]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

Again with the LYING. You lose credibility with these cheap shots

it’s what your blob said

 

[Crepitus]

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

The Constitution guarantees the right of free association no matter how dispicable.

Since 9-11 ?? Just trying to be informed here.

Yes....the Constitution still gaurantees that.

Realistically, not for everyone

Shouldn't the NRA lawyer him up?

Not if they are smart.

I'm not saying they are smart by the way.

 

[DOTR]

People pee their pants when they see a brown person.

Must be those "true conservatives".

It's a large majority of everyone.

Humans are good at pattern recognition. Even when told to ignore it.

 

[pknopp]

The Constitution guarantees the right of free association no matter how dispicable.

Since 9-11 ?? Just trying to be informed here.

Yes....the Constitution still gaurantees that.

Realistically, not for everyone

Shouldn't the NRA lawyer him up?

Not if they are smart.

I'm not saying they are smart by the way.

I'm not either but seems to me that this is where they would put their money where their mouth is. They probably prefer to keep it in the hip pocket.

 

[bodecea]

Good job by the police.

Thought criminals must be punished. No doubt you listen in on you neighbors to see if they have thoughts against the party or the state, da Comrade?

Senility is so sad to watch.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

Again with the LYING. You lose credibility with these cheap shots

it’s what your blob said

No it is not liar. The video has been posted enough. But you just need to spread LIES because you cant win with facts

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

Nope not wrong because it has historical precedence
It's happened before though they were called brownshirts.

 

[candycorn]

Good job by the police.

sounds nazi to me but of course, you support nazi actions.

Wrong but your blob thinks they are very fine people

Again with the LYING. You lose credibility with these cheap shots

it’s what your blob said

No it is not liar. The video has been posted enough. But you just need to spread LIES because you cant win with facts

it’s what your blob said. And he is who most Nazis support

 

[DOTR]

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

Citizen you have been deemed a threat and an Extreme Risk Protection Order issued. Your rights are hereby extinguished.

If political, and we have the right people in charge, then our rights won't be infringed upon, but if the wrong people are in charge then look out. Vote conservative is all I can say.

Cop out. "Conservatives" gave us the Patriot Act. Now I'm sure the follow up will be "they were not true Conservatives" and that is the cop out.

Your argument is that there is no one to vote for. We will note, it's still the law under Trump.

I havent seen many posts from you but so far every one follows the typical liberal gameplan of "hang you by your own petard".
Wont work here. I am not a conservative. And Im not interested in joining any "true conservatives" who oppose Trump. That didnt work during the election and it wont work now.

I never argued there was no one to vote for. I voted for Trump. Will do so again. "True Conservatives" be damned.

So you'll vote to continue the authoritarian practices. Whatever. I replied to a statement that to end this we have to elect Conservatives. I pointed out that "Conservatives" are just as bad.

You are free to elect your brand of bad if you want.

As I said that doesnt work any more. Every liberal in the US made that argument that Trump wasnt a "true conservative" when they couldnt sell Hillary. We had had enough of conservatives so we ignored the pre-selected choices and elected Trump.

Was it Ann Coulter who said "Conservatives couldn't even conserve little girls restrooms"? She is correct. Conservatism is liberalism with about an 8 year lag.

That gives you pleasure that beagle9 has nobody to vote for who reflects his descent honest needs? I think this is the root of the problem and the real root of tyranny.

 

[pknopp]

Citizen you have been deemed a threat and an Extreme Risk Protection Order issued. Your rights are hereby extinguished.

If political, and we have the right people in charge, then our rights won't be infringed upon, but if the wrong people are in charge then look out. Vote conservative is all I can say.

Cop out. "Conservatives" gave us the Patriot Act. Now I'm sure the follow up will be "they were not true Conservatives" and that is the cop out.

Your argument is that there is no one to vote for. We will note, it's still the law under Trump.

I havent seen many posts from you but so far every one follows the typical liberal gameplan of "hang you by your own petard".
Wont work here. I am not a conservative. And Im not interested in joining any "true conservatives" who oppose Trump. That didnt work during the election and it wont work now.

I never argued there was no one to vote for. I voted for Trump. Will do so again. "True Conservatives" be damned.

So you'll vote to continue the authoritarian practices. Whatever. I replied to a statement that to end this we have to elect Conservatives. I pointed out that "Conservatives" are just as bad.

You are free to elect your brand of bad if you want.

As I said that doesnt work any more. Every liberal in the US made that argument that Trump wasnt a "true conservative" when they couldnt sell Hillary. We had had enough of conservatives so we ignored the pre-selected choices and elected Trump.

Was it Ann Coulter who said "Conservatives couldn't even conserve little girls restrooms"? She is correct. Conservatism is liberalism with about an 8 year lag.

That gives you pleasure that beagle9 has nobody to vote for who reflects his descent honest needs? I think this is the root of the problem and the real root of tyranny.

You didn't say anything I didn't say. You just used more words.

 

[Muhammed]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I agree I don't like the idea of this, but this guy's "political views" were violent and terroristic in nature. Had they done nothing and this guy went on to kill a bunch of folks and it came out they had known about this guy, there would be outrage everywhere at the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the public!

So what. Let them be outraged.

This is rogue elements in the government making war against the US constitution by attacking a citizen's civil rights. It's treason.

 

[Preacher]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Right, the leader of a neonazi organization who's members have been charged in a number of murders in various states, idolizes Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler, and practices assaulting through buildings with military style weaponry is no danger to society.

Amiright?

No. He is the STATE leader as in Washington state. HE has done nothing wrong at all. If he had they would have had a LEGITIMATE reason to take his guns,this is merely because of his ideology and who he associates with. But hey keep supporting this unconstitutional trash its just gonna push people underground and they make their guns by buying the lowers or uppers and use a machine tool to make them and they are ghost guns or they buy them from private buyers with a name that isn't real etc. THEN you really got something to be scared about.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

Is he a member of a neo-nazis group, and are they deemed a terrorist group by the government ?

No it isn't deemed a terrorist group at all. He is a member of a group that has National Socialist ideology.

 

[Crepitus]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Right, the leader of a neonazi organization who's members have been charged in a number of murders in various states, idolizes Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler, and practices assaulting through buildings with military style weaponry is no danger to society.

Amiright?

No. He is the STATE leader as in Washington state. HE has done nothing wrong at all. If he had they would have had a LEGITIMATE reason to take his guns,this is merely because of his ideology and who he associates with. But hey keep supporting this unconstitutional trash its just gonna push people underground and they make their guns by buying the lowers or uppers and use a machine tool to make them and they are ghost guns or they buy them from private buyers with a name that isn't real etc. THEN you really got something to be scared about.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

Is he a member of a neo-nazis group, and are they deemed a terrorist group by the government ?

No it isn't deemed a terrorist group at all. He is a member of a group that has National Socialist ideology.

He's a Nazi.

I wouldn't trust him with pellet gun or a pocket knife.