Police,with FBI help seize gun from man COMPLETELY based on his political beliefs,affiliations

[Uncensored2008]

What does avowed mean ? He associated himself with neo-nazisism ?? Is he connected to a neo-nazi group based upon his own words spoken ? Are the neo-nazis listed as a terrorist organization ? What all is involved really ?

He has views that are not condoned by the rulers of the state. He is guilty of 2nd degree thought crime.

 

[toobfreak]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County
EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Then obviously you haven't read the OP's article. You should stay in bed.

I did. It said the group he belonged to was suspected.

Remember, this is SEATTLE, quickly becoming the new center for extreme fascist leftism on the west coast. Now that they have violated this man's rights (the government never met one of its own laws it liked), if he truly was a nazi about to kill wantonly, then I guess we can all sigh a relief that "the ends justify the means" and innocent lives were spared. One less potential serial killing that the gun grabbers can use against 2A rights.

Meantime, the guy will have his day in court, and hopefully won't have to fight forfeiture laws, and if truly innocent, will hopefully have the chance to make case law to prevent this from happening again. Meantime, it's not as if this guy wasn't just BEGGING for negative attention throwing every warning sign out there, so he can't be too bright.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Good job by the police.

Thought criminals must be punished. No doubt you listen in on you neighbors to see if they have thoughts against the party or the state, da Comrade?

 

[miketx]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County
EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Then obviously you haven't read the OP's article. You should stay in bed.

I did. It said the group he belonged to was suspected.

Remember, this is SEATTLE, quickly becoming the new center for extreme fascist leftism on the west coast. Now that they have violated this man's rights (the government never met one of its own laws it liked), if he truly was a nazi about to kill wantonly, then I guess we can all sigh a relief that "the ends justify the means" and innocent lives were spared. One less potential serial killing that the gun grabbers can use against 2A rights.

Meantime, the guy will have his day in court, and hopefully won't have to fight forfeiture laws, and if truly innocent, will hopefully have the chance to make case law to prevent this from happening again. Meantime, it's not as if this guy wasn't just BEGGING for negative attention throwing every warning sign out there, so he can't be too bright.

When you get all your opinions on things like this from the media, it's hard to believe that you believe it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I agree I don't like the idea of this, but this guy's "political views" were violent and terroristic in nature. Had they done nothing and this guy went on to kill a bunch of folks and it came out they had known about this guy, there would be outrage everywhere at the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the public!

Did all the pre-cogs agree on the future crime?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Good job by the police.

Spoken like a true Hitler Youth

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Red flag laws are friggin gonna get real scary real fast
Dont list anything online ...and smile at your neighbors if they're leftist idiots ....tell em youre on your way to the gay parade to celebrate our diversity and love

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

It surprises people, but nearly half of California is conservative.

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Trump has a lot of support in California, just not enough to overcome the democratic mob centers in SanFran and LA. When California was formed, they wanted to make it two states, the other, northern California being called Jefferson. Now you see why. Most of the state sees no real representation being controlled by the mad whims of the Radical Left along the coast.

It's the Illegals that turned CA to the democrats

 

[toobfreak]

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Then obviously you haven't read the OP's article. You should stay in bed.

I did. It said the group he belonged to was suspected.

Remember, this is SEATTLE, quickly becoming the new center for extreme fascist leftism on the west coast. Now that they have violated this man's rights (the government never met one of its own laws it liked), if he truly was a nazi about to kill wantonly, then I guess we can all sigh a relief that "the ends justify the means" and innocent lives were spared. One less potential serial killing that the gun grabbers can use against 2A rights.

Meantime, the guy will have his day in court, and hopefully won't have to fight forfeiture laws, and if truly innocent, will hopefully have the chance to make case law to prevent this from happening again. Meantime, it's not as if this guy wasn't just BEGGING for negative attention throwing every warning sign out there, so he can't be too bright.

When you get all your opinions on things like this from the media, it's hard to believe that you believe it.

It's not a matter of belief, Mike. I'm not about to start disbelieving everything I read. But neither do I believe everything. Trust but verify. A man's rights were violated. They claim justifiable cause. Now either they stopped a soon-to-be serial killer or they trampled all over a guy just for being a bit of a nut. The ball is in motion now. It will be up to his attorney and the courts now to decide the facts. We may never know the facts. Justice may prevail. The guy might get railroaded. Either way, I have to trust the process and at least give it a chance and the benefit of the doubt even if I don't like it, just as the Left doesn't like Hillary getting her "popular vote" yet still not winning the election.

What is done is done. Who knows, good may come out of this. Me, I wonder why it wasn't sufficient to just keep the guy under close observation? ITMT, I also wonder if not this guy was "created" by the powers that be to be used for nefarious reasons? Maybe to justify a further attack on gun rights? I put nothing past the Leftists.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Only one way to stop them.

I wake up every morning wondering, "Is THIS the day they take out the trash?"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

It surprises people, but nearly half of California is conservative.

View attachment 285219

Trump has a lot of support in California, just not enough to overcome the democratic mob centers in SanFran and LA. When California was formed, they wanted to make it two states, the other, northern California being called Jefferson. Now you see why. Most of the state sees no real representation being controlled by the mad whims of the Radical Left along the coast.

It's the Illegals that turned CA to the democrats

Van loads driven to the polls every election. The democrats PAY them to vote.

 

[toobfreak]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I agree I don't like the idea of this, but this guy's "political views" were violent and terroristic in nature. Had they done nothing and this guy went on to kill a bunch of folks and it came out they had known about this guy, there would be outrage everywhere at the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the public!

Did all the pre-cogs agree on the future crime?

Welcome to the new Thought Police. ITMT, had this guy really been planning something big, if you wait for him to actually commit himself to an action setting out to do another Mandalay Hotel, there is a 99% likelihood of him carrying it out before being detected and stopped.

So again, either they got it right this one time and stopped a mass killer, or have really gone too far. Hopefully that question will be asked and proven either way in court or we really do live in a banana republic.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

The Department of Pre-Crime is more dangerous than any real threat.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

I am absolutely against any "Lone Wolf" guy with some idea of unleashing his personal Hell onto society. We don't need that EVER. However, there is a difference between one guy with delusions of grandeur or a small group of Rambo wannabees, and an actual American Revolution.

In the first example it is one guy who wants his 15 minutes of fame. He has worked himself up into a fervor, and he has a hair trigger.

In a Revolution, it is society at large, banding together to say, "We have had enough of this crap!"

This guy in the story sounds like a loose cannon. I still disagree with how they handled it, because the slippery slope of Socialism is right there to catch innocent bystanders. Red Flag Laws are BAD for America. They remove due process, and cause law enforcement agencies to respond to unfounded fears, rather than actual, real threats.

I am never a threat to anyone. I am too old, too sore, too tired and too far into my life, to change horses now. I just ignore the people who I deem to be unworthy of my time or energy, and focus on living my life in compliance with the laws of God and Man alike.

 

[beagle9]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County
EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Wait a minute. This guy wasn't exactly Uncle Charlie cleaning his antique gun collection down in his basement. This guy was the active head of a group who was showing every sign of practicing and organizing for mass killings, and was already suspected tied to several murders.

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Then obviously you haven't read the OP's article. You should stay in bed.

I read the article and the media claims everyone like this person are nazis. I don't believe anything they say, ever. You should know by now the media cannot be trusted.

It is the slippery slope for sure, so we have to rely on the facts as best they are presented. Can't defend the indefensible if so be it the case. Jumping on the side of anything pro-gun if used wrongfully or is being piggy backed by bad players can actually give amunition to the left in hopes to destroy gun rights, so becareful when choosing the battle fields to defend upon.

 

[Mac-7]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

It surprises people, but nearly half of California is conservative.

50% of the American citizens but 0% of the political power

the leftwing fascists are taking over the west coast m

and the result is gun confiscation

 

[pknopp]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

It surprises people, but nearly half of California is conservative.

View attachment 285219

Trump has a lot of support in California, just not enough to overcome the democratic mob centers in SanFran and LA. When California was formed, they wanted to make it two states, the other, northern California being called Jefferson. Now you see why. Most of the state sees no real representation being controlled by the mad whims of the Radical Left along the coast.

It's the Illegals that turned CA to the democrats

Van loads driven to the polls every election. The democrats PAY them to vote.

I could understand them taking your guns .........

 

[miketx]

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

It surprises people, but nearly half of California is conservative.

View attachment 285219

Trump has a lot of support in California, just not enough to overcome the democratic mob centers in SanFran and LA. When California was formed, they wanted to make it two states, the other, northern California being called Jefferson. Now you see why. Most of the state sees no real representation being controlled by the mad whims of the Radical Left along the coast.

It's the Illegals that turned CA to the democrats

Van loads driven to the polls every election. The democrats PAY them to vote.

I could understand them taking your guns .........

Fascists are all like that. No crime, no evidence, just hearsay, and are all for it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Its Washington. I doubt it's going to happen. Just another state where over half the state is conservative but is controlled by leftists in Western Washington just like Oregon is.

luckily he has the federal courts..

It's the federal government who asked Washington state (King County) to obtain and execute the ERPO

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​