Paul Krugman weighs in on the Apple tax debate

[AntonToo]

I think you are confusing being smart with always being right and agreed with.

Krugman said the internet would be no more important than the fax machine!!!!

Psst...Krugman is first and foremost an economist and that quote is from have-fun time article written from perspective of 2098!

That's seriously your proof that the man is stupid?

You fellas need to learn something very basic - just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they are stupid.

Anyone who thinks big controlling government is a good thing, is stupid. How much evidence do you need before you realize that a government out of control, is a government likely to cause terrible suffering and chaos. All of civilized history clearly indicates this.

Anyone who thinks that size defines good governing is a rightwing tool.

Guess what, no one has any clue what you are saying when you say "big" government, it's a relative term.

I know exactly what he means.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual, and the smaller individual freedom.

Folks like you need big government to let you know what to think; many of us don't.

You know exactly what he means because you are a two bit politico ideologue with pavlovian response to certain key words.

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

 

[AntonToo]

See now that's the thing that I just don't get. When a leftist doesn't even know that the main tenant of leftism is big unlimited government, I have to wonder about their ability to think.

Or maybe you don't get it because you are a bit stupid and your little fantasy world will fall apart if you stop making ridiculous strawmen about lefties.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Krugman said the internet would be no more important than the fax machine!!!!

Psst...Krugman is first and foremost an economist and that quote is from have-fun time article written from perspective of 2098!

That's seriously your proof that the man is stupid?

You fellas need to learn something very basic - just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they are stupid.

Anyone who thinks big controlling government is a good thing, is stupid. How much evidence do you need before you realize that a government out of control, is a government likely to cause terrible suffering and chaos. All of civilized history clearly indicates this.

Anyone who thinks that size defines good governing is a rightwing tool.

Guess what, no one has any clue what you are saying when you say "big" government, it's a relative term.

I know exactly what he means.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual, and the smaller individual freedom.

Folks like you need big government to let you know what to think; many of us don't.

You know exactly what he means because you are a two bit politico ideologue with pavlovian response to certain key words.

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

You're begging for further edification on the subject?

No problem....but take notes so you don't appear this much of a fool in the future.

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.



The Leftist political doctrine....yours.....is based, on the very unAmerican views....these:

The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

These Leftist, neoBolshevik concepts, require big government, and an ignorant electorate....i.e., you.



Clear?

 

[AntonToo]

Psst...Krugman is first and foremost an economist and that quote is from have-fun time article written from perspective of 2098!

That's seriously your proof that the man is stupid?

You fellas need to learn something very basic - just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they are stupid.

Anyone who thinks big controlling government is a good thing, is stupid. How much evidence do you need before you realize that a government out of control, is a government likely to cause terrible suffering and chaos. All of civilized history clearly indicates this.

Anyone who thinks that size defines good governing is a rightwing tool.

Guess what, no one has any clue what you are saying when you say "big" government, it's a relative term.

I know exactly what he means.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual, and the smaller individual freedom.

Folks like you need big government to let you know what to think; many of us don't.

You know exactly what he means because you are a two bit politico ideologue with pavlovian response to certain key words.

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

You're begging for further edification on the subject?


No problem....but take notes so you don't appear this much of a fool in the future.

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

The Leftist political doctrine....yours.....is based, on the very unAmerican views....these:

The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

These Leftist, neoBolshevik concepts, require big government, and an ignorant electorate....i.e., you.

Clear?

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

Seems I captured your stupidity so well your mind runs off to talking about Bolshviks at sight and rambling something about how awesome conservative ideology is.

United States is a fundamentally progressive experiment, especially so at the time of it's conception. Secular government setup by the people for the people, with horizontal and vertical checks and balances is not a "conservative" concept, it's a novel product of enlightenment era.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Anyone who thinks big controlling government is a good thing, is stupid. How much evidence do you need before you realize that a government out of control, is a government likely to cause terrible suffering and chaos. All of civilized history clearly indicates this.

Anyone who thinks that size defines good governing is a rightwing tool.

Guess what, no one has any clue what you are saying when you say "big" government, it's a relative term.

I know exactly what he means.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual, and the smaller individual freedom.

Folks like you need big government to let you know what to think; many of us don't.

You know exactly what he means because you are a two bit politico ideologue with pavlovian response to certain key words.

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

You're begging for further edification on the subject?


No problem....but take notes so you don't appear this much of a fool in the future.

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

The Leftist political doctrine....yours.....is based, on the very unAmerican views....these:

The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

These Leftist, neoBolshevik concepts, require big government, and an ignorant electorate....i.e., you.

Clear?

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

Seems I captured your stupidity so well your mind runs off to talking about Bolshviks at sight.

You've exhibited the nadir of ignorance!
Congrats!

Now, you have nowhere to go but up.

You doubt that you've been trained to follow the very same path as the Soviet Bolsheviks?

Watch how I shred your worldview:


Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof

And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at atown hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism [VIDEO]

You feel like a fool, huh?

That's because you are a fool.

 

[AntonToo]

Geez, just squeeze a little bit and watch the crazy spray out.

If you are not always for smaller gobamint you are communist!

 

[gipper]

Psst...Krugman is first and foremost an economist and that quote is from have-fun time article written from perspective of 2098!

That's seriously your proof that the man is stupid?

You fellas need to learn something very basic - just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they are stupid.

Anyone who thinks big controlling government is a good thing, is stupid. How much evidence do you need before you realize that a government out of control, is a government likely to cause terrible suffering and chaos. All of civilized history clearly indicates this.

Anyone who thinks that size defines good governing is a rightwing tool.

Guess what, no one has any clue what you are saying when you say "big" government, it's a relative term.

I know exactly what he means.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual, and the smaller individual freedom.

Folks like you need big government to let you know what to think; many of us don't.

You know exactly what he means because you are a two bit politico ideologue with pavlovian response to certain key words.

Bigger gobimint bad! More individual good! Why bother dealing with messy policy details when you can just use simplistic cookie-cutter answers to everything!

You're begging for further edification on the subject?

No problem....but take notes so you don't appear this much of a fool in the future.

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.



The Leftist political doctrine....yours.....is based, on the very unAmerican views....these:

The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

These Leftist, neoBolshevik concepts, require big government, and an ignorant electorate....i.e., you.



Clear?

Amazingly he/she does not know this. No one told her the truth about leftism. So naturally, he can't accept it...it blows her mind.

I find it incomprehensible that any leftist does not understand what leftism is. How can they be so blind?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Geez, just squeeze a little bit and watch the crazy spray out.

I notice this same sort of response from government school grads with metronomic regularity....

...you are unable to deny a single thing I've posted, so you you resort to this:

That's you on the end?

 

[AntonToo]

Amazingly he/she does not know this. No one told her the truth about leftism. So naturally, he can't accept it...it blows her mind.

I find it incomprehensible that any leftist does not understand what leftism is. How can they be so blind?

It's tough to know that which is simply nonsense.

 

[AntonToo]

I notice this same sort of response from government school grads with metronomic regularity....

...you are unable to deny a single thing I've posted, so you you resort to this:

View attachment 88319

That's you on the end?

Deny WHAT? That I'm a communist? You are so fucking crazy there is not even a basis for any sane conversation to be had.

 

[gipper]

Amazingly he/she does not know this. No one told her the truth about leftism. So naturally, he can't accept it...it blows her mind.

I find it incomprehensible that any leftist does not understand what leftism is. How can they be so blind?

It's tough to know that which is simply nonsense.

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I notice this same sort of response from government school grads with metronomic regularity....

...you are unable to deny a single thing I've posted, so you you resort to this:

View attachment 88319

That's you on the end?

Deny WHAT? That I'm a communist? You are so fucking crazy there is not even a basis for any sane conversation to be had.

"Deny WHAT?"

You doubt that you've been trained to follow the very same path as the Soviet Bolsheviks?

Watch how I shred your worldview:


Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof

And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at atown hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism

 

[gipper]

I guess antontoo left the house.

This is a common reaction by the average leftist. They do not even know what their ideology stands for and when informed, they run away in disbelief.

 

[AntonToo]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her reserves of explosive diarrhea.

 

[AntonToo]

"Deny WHAT?"

The full quote is

"Deny WHAT? That I'm a communist? You are so fucking crazy there is not even a basis for any sane conversation to be had."

 

[gipper]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her mountains of bullshit.

Oh brother...you really are lost.

Our Constitution is and has been nothing but a piece of paper for many years now. Both political parties ignore it when it suits them and nothing is done. Our government is not limited by it. It is a dead letter and primarily this is because of the influence of leftism. How you could not know this, really is incomprehensible.

The essence of leftism is elitist rule. It does not find value in a document that limits it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her reserves of explosive diarrhea.

"...you really are hitcing (sic) your wagon to this nonsence (sic)?"

Which part is nonsense?

Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof

And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at atown hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her reserves of explosive diarrhea.

"Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited."

Really?

Imagine....if you had an actual education....you might have known this:

In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington,Roosevelt manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional.

Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation.

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her reserves of explosive diarrhea.

"There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor..."


You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't succeed.

Here's one example:

a. The Great Depression was a perfect opportunity for American socialists, interventionists, and advocates of omnipotent government to prevail in their long struggle against the advocates of economic liberty, free enterprise, and limited, constitutional government.
FDR led the statists in using the economic crisis to level massive assaults on freedom and the Constitution. A good example of the kind of battles that were taking place at the state level is the 1934 U.S. Supreme Court case Home Building & Loan Association v. Blaisdell, in which the “Four Horsemen” — Supreme Court Justices George Sutherland, James C. McReynolds, Willis Van Devanter, and Pierce Butler — banded together in an unsuccessful attempt to hold back the forces of statism and collectivism.

b. The Blaisdells, like so many other Americans in the early 1930s, lacked the money to make their mortgage payments. They defaulted and the bank foreclosed, selling the home at the foreclosure sale. The Minnesota legislature had enacted a law that provided that a debtor could go to court and seek a further extension of time in which to redeem the property. The Supreme Court of Minnesota upheld the constitutionality of the new redemption law, and the bank appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

c. Constitution: “No State shall . . . pass any . . . Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts. . ..” Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise. American statists and collectivists won the Blaisdell case, which helped to open the floodgates on laws, rules, and regulations at the state level governing economic activity in America. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.

d. But what happens when an exercise of the police powers contradicts an express prohibition in the Constitution, which is supposed to be the supreme law of the land, trumping both state legislatures and state courts? That was the issue that confronted the U.S. Supreme Court in Blaisdell. Writing for the majority, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes set forth the applicable principles: “Emergency does not create power. Emergency does not increase granted power or remove or diminish the restrictions imposed upon power granted or reserved. The Constitution was adopted in a period of grave emergency. Its grants of power to the Federal Government and its limitations of the power of the States were determined in the light of emergency and they are not altered by emergency. What power was thus granted and what limitations were thus imposed are questions which have always been, and always will be, the subject of close examination under our constitutional system.” “While emergency does not create power, emergency may furnish the occasion for the exercise of power. . .. The constitutional question presented in the light of an emergency is whether the power possessed embraces the particular exercise of it in response to particular conditions. . ..“The economic interests of the State may justify the exercise of its continuing and dominant protective power notwithstanding interference with contracts.

e. So there you have it. In the old horse-and-buggy era, the individual and his freedom were supreme but now in the new modern era, the collective interests of “society” would have to prevail. And society could no longer be bound by such quaint notions of constitutional limitations on state power, especially not during emergencies and especially not when the “good of all” depends on state action."
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0302a.asp http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/economic-liberty-constitution-part-9/

 

[gipper]

Can you prove it to be nonsense?

Use the written word to prove your point....if you can.

Holy shit Giper you really are hitcing your wagon to this nonsence?

This nation was based on conservative principles,....these:
individualism, limited constitutional government, and free markets.

By the people for the people, all men are created equal, are not exactly individualist ideas. Perfect individualism is CHAOS, concepts like governing itself are fundamentally of SOCIAL underpinning.

Limited constitutional government IS NOT a conservative idea, no lefty I've ever seen argues for abolishment of constitutionally secured rights and by extension, government unlimited. Conservatives simply argue for MORE limited government as a matter of never satisfied ideology.

There isn't any specific economic system prescription written into our Constitution, nor is there any reason to think that matters of economy were perfectly worked out for the realities of modern world before even industrial revolution took place, nor did United Sates ever have perfectly free markets, nor...

It is so much wrong it;s tough to know where to even begin addressing her reserves of explosive diarrhea.

Have you forgotten what Big Ears said years ago about the Constitution:

He has repeatedly ignored it and committed numerous unconstitutional actions.

And let us not forget (no doubt you don't even know) of the many actions taken by FDR, who like Big Ears did all he could to breech the Constitution. But, sadly this is not just these two presidents. Nearly all of them in recent times have ignored it without consequence.

You don't even know what your beloved pols think about the Constitution. Wake up!