Palestinian State Would Be Devastating For Mid-East

[Kondor3]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

Not so.

Of course it is. The party with the party is the only one that can negotiate. Try buying a car from a dealer.

The party with the power is the only one that can negotiate?

You can't negotiate a good deal for yourself with a car dealer - as a metaphorical example?

Rubbish.

Good (and great) deals are worked-out all the time, from the consumer's 'inferior' position...

When you've done your research, and know what the dealer's likely bottom line is, and when you wait until the marketplace timing is right, you can work wonders with price reductions, and get a very good deal for yourself.

But you must possess the intellect to conduct and analyze that research and reach realistic conclusions...

And you must possess the cognitive power to recognize what constitutes good timing...

And you must possess the right combination of aggression and collegiality and humility and flexibility and good faith and realism to have yourself seen as a viable and reliable negotiating partner...

And you must possess and manifest nerves of steel at critical milestones in the negotiations, and good judgment as to what you can push for, and what you cannot, at those critical junctures...

"...You got to know when to hold 'em... know when to fold 'em..."

All of which rules out the Neanderthals we laughingly call 'Palestinians'.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is quite happy with the status quo. For a negotiation achieve a result, in this case, there would be the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Israel does not want the creation of a Palestinian state. What should the Palestinians negotiate about?

"At his Friday press conference, the prime minister ruled out full Palestinian sovereignty"

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[Hossfly]

Israel is quite happy with the status quo. For a negotiation achieve a result, in this case, there would be the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Israel does not want the creation of a Palestinian state. What should the Palestinians negotiate about?

"At his Friday press conference, the prime minister ruled out full Palestinian sovereignty"

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Not to worry. Big Bad Daddy-O is getting ready to punish Israel. He'll show the ungrateful bastards where the bear peed in the buckwheat patch, by golly. Yes indeedy.

A report revealed by Ha’aretz newspaper indicates that the Obama administration is going to impose sanctions on Israel because of its building plans in Jerusalem, and Congress is demanding clarification on the issue.

Republican Congressmen came together and dispatched a harsh letter to President Barack Obama, demanding that he provide explanations regarding the report.

“We urge you and your Administration to clarify these reports immediately,” 47 republican Congressmen demanded of the Obama administration. “Israel is one of our strongest allies, and the mere notion that the Administration would unilaterally impose sanctions against Israel is not only unwise, but is extremely worrisome. Such reports send a clear message to our friends and enemies alike that such alliances with the United States government can no longer be unquestionably trusted.”


Obama Threatens to Punish Israel for Building in Jerusalem While Easing Sanctions on Iran United with Israel

 

[Phoenall]

What are you worried about. There will never be a Palestinian state. Israel will not allow one to be established.

So you haven't seen the proposals being put to the UNSC by European nations wanting to force Palestine to the peace table. Cant wait to see the reaction of the Palestinians when they realise they will go hungry and thirsty if they don't start talking peace without pre-conditions.

 

[Phoenall]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

So it was the fault of the arab muslims until 1967, as they had the power

 

[MJB12741]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

So it was the fault of the arab muslims until 1967, as they had the power

Even I admit what the surrounding Arab countries have done to the Palestinians is hard to forgive.

 

[MJB12741]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

So it was the fault of the arab muslims until 1967, as they had the power

Even I admit what the surrounding Arab countries have done to the Palestinians is hard to forgive.

The Arab countries massacred their Palestinians & left tens of thousands of others as refugees. But then let us not forget what those Zionists in Israel have since done to them as well with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel.

 

[montelatici]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

So it was the fault of the arab muslims until 1967, as they had the power

Even I admit what the surrounding Arab countries have done to the Palestinians is hard to forgive.

The Arab countries massacred their Palestinians & left tens of thousands of others as refugees. But then let us not forget what those Zionists in Israel have since done to them as well with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel.

Did the Europeans have go to another continent to take land from and then expel the local inhabitants? Just wondering why this just never crosses the minds of the Israel Firsters.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established.

I disagree strongly with this statement, as it implies that "Palestinian" and "Arab" are somehow two different things. They aren't, and that is the real problem. . A Palestinian state already exists. It is called Jordan.

The best solution is for Arabs to stop using their fellow Arabs as pawns in their game against the Jews and take a little responsibility for a change. Gaza should be incorporated back into Egypt and negotiations should ensue with Jordan as to borders between Israel and Jordan, with Jordan taking responsibility for its fellow Arabs.

The notion of a "Palestinian" state divided in two such as it would be is simply untenable.

 

[MJB12741]

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established.

I disagree strongly with this statement, as it implies that "Palestinian" and "Arab" are somehow two different things. They aren't, and that is the real problem. . A Palestinian state already exists. It is called Jordan.

The best solution is for Arabs to stop using their fellow Arabs as pawns in their game against the Jews and take a little responsibility for a change. Gaza should be incorporated back into Egypt and negotiations should ensue with Jordan as to borders between Israel and Jordan, with Jordan taking responsibility for its fellow Arabs.

The notion of a "Palestinian" state divided in two such as it would be is simply untenable.

Won't happen. Problem is neither Egypt nor Jordan will grant their Palestinians a right of return. And who better knows Palestinians than Egypt & Jordan?

 

[montelatici]

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established.

I disagree strongly with this statement, as it implies that "Palestinian" and "Arab" are somehow two different things. They aren't, and that is the real problem. . A Palestinian state already exists. It is called Jordan.

The best solution is for Arabs to stop using their fellow Arabs as pawns in their game against the Jews and take a little responsibility for a change. Gaza should be incorporated back into Egypt and negotiations should ensue with Jordan as to borders between Israel and Jordan, with Jordan taking responsibility for its fellow Arabs.

The notion of a "Palestinian" state divided in two such as it would be is simply untenable.

Jordan has never been a Palestinian state. Native Jordanians are Arabians of the Hashim clan part of the Quraysh tribe, which is has adherents within modern day Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians are Mediterranean people that speak and are culturally Arabic and as such are Arabs, but are no more Arabian than the Berbers.

 

[Phoenall]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

So it was the fault of the arab muslims until 1967, as they had the power

Even I admit what the surrounding Arab countries have done to the Palestinians is hard to forgive.

The Arab countries massacred their Palestinians & left tens of thousands of others as refugees. But then let us not forget what those Zionists in Israel have since done to them as well with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel.

Did the Europeans have go to another continent to take land from and then expel the local inhabitants? Just wondering why this just never crosses the minds of the Israel Firsters.

Did the arab muslims have to go to two other continents to take land by brutality and terror and then expect the rest of the world to forget that they did it. I don't need to wonder why this never crosses the minds of the ISLAMONAZI team Palestine stooges and propagandists

 

[Phoenall]

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established.

I disagree strongly with this statement, as it implies that "Palestinian" and "Arab" are somehow two different things. They aren't, and that is the real problem. . A Palestinian state already exists. It is called Jordan.

The best solution is for Arabs to stop using their fellow Arabs as pawns in their game against the Jews and take a little responsibility for a change. Gaza should be incorporated back into Egypt and negotiations should ensue with Jordan as to borders between Israel and Jordan, with Jordan taking responsibility for its fellow Arabs.

The notion of a "Palestinian" state divided in two such as it would be is simply untenable.

Jordan has never been a Palestinian state. Native Jordanians are Arabians of the Hashim clan part of the Quraysh tribe, which is has adherents within modern day Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians are Mediterranean people that speak and are culturally Arabic and as such are Arabs, but are no more Arabian than the Berbers.

ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA again as the people living there prior to 1921 were arab muslims related to the same arab muslims that had migrated to western Palestine. The Hashemites were just those elected by the LoN to rule trans Jordan Palestine. It was created as a Palestinian state for the arab muslims living in Palestine. Here is the evidence from the treaty's of the LoN

 

[Kondor3]

...Did the Europeans have go to another continent to take land from and then expel the local inhabitants? Just wondering why this just never crosses the minds of the Israel Firsters.

Oh, sure, of course it's occurred to Israel supporters.

It's just that it's far more important for the Jews to get their old spiritual and ancestral mothership (Eretz Yisrael) back again.

Sufficient to overlook the messy side-effects.

The Palestinians are relatively unimportant by comparison, other than that they be allowed to emigrate and that they are helped to begin new and happier lives elsewhere.

They're in the way - at least within the context of the two postage-stamp -sized scraps of land that they still occupy in Rump (Residual) Palestine.

And, being in the way, and being, by several orders of magnitude, the weaker of the two, yet still maintaining a hostile and combative stance, they need to go away.

And, in going away - with the choices down to slaughter or relocation - it would be much better, and far more humane, to relocate the Palestinians, rather than to slaughter them.

Old immigration and land-grab stories - some true, some not, some true in part, some complete fairy tales - no longer matter very much... we've reached just such a point.

The old Two-State Solution is as dead as Julius Caesar.

The even older One-State Solution was stillborn, and never even drew a first breath.

The two sides can't live next to each other any longer.

Israel is the stronger side, and cannot be dislodged, even by concerted large-scale military effort...

They possess a nuclear arsenal - not just a couple of test or early-days warheads - on a par with all the other nuclear powers of the world, with the exception of the United States and the Russian Federation...

Complete with a triad of delivery methods (land [ICBMs], air, and sea), on a par with the US, Russia and China...

That means the Palestinians - the Losers in all this - are the ones that are going to take sandlot baseball's "sucker's walk".

It doesn't make any difference, any longer, who did who wrong, and who did it first, and how much...

Yadda, yadda, yadda... yap, yap, yap... blah, blah, blah... bore, bore, bore...

We've reached a tipping point where we're past all that useless and endlessly-argued old shit...

Money (and military power, both conventional and nuclear) talks, and bullshit walks.

 

[montelatici]

"Israel is the stronger side, and cannot be dislodged, even by concerted large-scale military effort...
They possess a nuclear arsenal - not just a couple of test or early-days warheads - "

That's what Botha said about the (Apartheid) Republic of South Africa some time ago. It just takes sanctions plus some isolation, and then they will come around.

 

[Humanity]

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established.

I disagree strongly with this statement, as it implies that "Palestinian" and "Arab" are somehow two different things. They aren't, and that is the real problem. . A Palestinian state already exists. It is called Jordan.

The best solution is for Arabs to stop using their fellow Arabs as pawns in their game against the Jews and take a little responsibility for a change. Gaza should be incorporated back into Egypt and negotiations should ensue with Jordan as to borders between Israel and Jordan, with Jordan taking responsibility for its fellow Arabs.

The notion of a "Palestinian" state divided in two such as it would be is simply untenable.

Jordan has never been a Palestinian state. Native Jordanians are Arabians of the Hashim clan part of the Quraysh tribe, which is has adherents within modern day Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians are Mediterranean people that speak and are culturally Arabic and as such are Arabs, but are no more Arabian than the Berbers.

ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA again as the people living there prior to 1921 were arab muslims related to the same arab muslims that had migrated to western Palestine. The Hashemites were just those elected by the LoN to rule trans Jordan Palestine. It was created as a Palestinian state for the arab muslims living in Palestine. Here is the evidence from the treaty's of the LoN

Is this PHONEYGANDA?

Dude, I hope you have asked Santa for more colouring pencils!

Must cost your mom a fortune you keep drawing and colouring in these different maps every day!

 

[Humanity]

Israel is the stronger side, and cannot be dislodged, even by concerted large-scale military effort...

Israel is definitely the stronger of the two and also, as the stronger power, has a responsibility to work for a solution not against a solution.

They possess a nuclear arsenal - not just a couple of test or early-days warheads - on a par with all the other nuclear powers of the world, with the exception of the United States and the Russian Federation...

Do they? How do you know?

Complete with a triad of delivery methods (land [ICBMs], air, and sea), on a par with the US, Russia and China...

And, if Israel does have a "nuclear arsenal" do you seriously think that they would/could ever use it without complete annihilation of Israel?

 

[Roudy]

Why a Palestinian State Will Become a Source of Instability

This is precisely what Egypt and the Arab counties want: to turn the Gaza Strip into an Israeli, and not an Arab, problem.

There is good reason to believe that the Arabs are not going to change their attitudes toward the Palestinians once a Palestinian state is established. The future Palestinian state will have to continue relying on Israeli and Western aid in order to survive.

And if Israel and the West do not come to their assistance, the Palestinians will find themselves begging at the doorsteps of Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Islamic State. Then, the Palestinian state will be anything but a source of stability in the Middle East.


Why a Palestinian State Will Become a Source of Instability

Let's think about it. Does the world need another Islamic Shariah shithole run by Palestinian IslamoNazi's? You'd think the world has had enough of Muslim cesspools of intolerance and violence.

 

[Roudy]

No. It could have happened, but the actions of the Palestinians of late have pretty much closed that door.

But of course, that is all the fault of the Israelis and the Jews, right?

It is always the fault of the negotiating party with the power.

Not so.

Of course it is. The party with the party is the only one that can negotiate. Try buying a car from a dealer.

The party with the party PARTAYS!!!!

I always buy from a dealer, and always pay invoice.

Period.

They get rebates for every vehicle they sell, anything over invoice is profit.

I bet you never bought a new vehicle in your life.

And, you would be wrong. Just one of my vehicles costs more than all the vehicles you will buy in a lifetime.

A bicycle can be considered a vehicle. Even if you've stolen it.

 

[Mojo2]

Israel is quite happy with the status quo. For a negotiation achieve a result, in this case, there would be the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Israel does not want the creation of a Palestinian state. What should the Palestinians negotiate about?

"At his Friday press conference, the prime minister ruled out full Palestinian sovereignty"

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Without even reading it I'd guess the PM's statement was predicated on Palestinian intransigence or an absurd negotiating position by the Palestinians.