Oregon initiative requires gun owners to surrender assault weapons

[Billy_Kinetta]

You don't consider yourselves "loud and in their face" yet?
holy crow

NO!
We are not in the streets DEMANDING change to our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

We are not USING children to try to ram our AGENDA down your throats like you and your side are trying to do.

GUN OWNERSHIP IS A RIGHT IN THE USA.

WHY the hell should anyone give up their rights to self defense against possible future government tyranny because of a FEW mental whack jobs (almost ALWAYS your people) who occasionally do evil things.

You think YOU are smarter and wiser than the people who formed this nation?

YOU ARE NOT. NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE.

We basically went through the same drill 25 years ago. The result has been that there are now more guns than ever in the hands of civilians, and every state has CC provisions, though some still make it difficult. The Heller decision, while not perfect, marked a return to the original recognition of the individual right as envisioned by the Founders, which had been nearly completely undermined since the 1930s.

I'm not concerned, because like the Democrats v. Trump debacle, everything the Democrats throw ultimately ends up having the opposite effect. They have their loudmouth media but they are outnumbered, and frankly, outgunned.

"outgunned"? Like David Koresh and his exercise of his 2nd A. Rights?

Not like that at all.

 

[OldLady]

TN, taking those goddamned military style weapons out of civilian hands is not taking away anyone's rights to be armed. Those are inappropriate for civilian use and they are misused in a spectacular way by nutcases that our country won't take steps to keep unarmed. Whatever geniuses at Colt decided to design and sell those AR's ought to burn in hell and I hope they are.
I can understand your argument and I hear where you are coming from. I sometimes think about it fairly seriously. You can call me whatever names you want, but I can't for the life of me see how that ban would violate your rights or keep you from protecting yourself and your family.

Your trust in government bureaucracy is why you can't see the oppositions position.
Go to Venezuela and speak out against the Dictator....then get back to me as to why CITIZENS NEED TO OWN AR15's and more.

A Dictator WAS NOT allowed under Venezuelas Constitution.
Could never happen in the USA? Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
China JUST became a dictatorship. MILLIONS are at risk now.
Russia is now a hard line Dictatorship.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?

CITIZENS CANNOT OWN WEAPONS CAPABLE OF CHALLENGING THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?
Communism, which goes against human nature and is only instituted with brute force against anyone who objects.
Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
? Socialized health care works in every other civilized country on the planet. It's not something a normal person would feel they need to take up arms against.
So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

STOP with the racist card deflection crap already. The CONTEXT was that things UNEXPECTED happen. I happen to think Allen West would have been FAR better than Obama.

Greed and the lust for power ALSO move the world. Always has....always will. We've just enjoyed a lull for the last few hundred years.
A mere BLIP on the radar of history.

Tell me Xi in China is driven by money and I'll tell you you know NOTHING of current world events.
He's a power hungry maniac that the world is going to have to reckon with eventually and I predict it's gonna get UGLY.

I think he's the modern day Mao Zedong (1949-1976) or Joseph Stalin.
Both were murderous.

PS...Socialized medicine is an abstract FAILURE everywhere it exists.
The Progressive media hides the ugly and paints a pretty picture for the manipulation of the low of IQ. You can NOT achieve efficiency by taking from those who produce and work hard....in order to subsidize those who are lazy or see a way to milk the system. (Sound familiar???)
It NEVER works. That goes against human nature.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sorry. It's a tantalizing argument; I can see my Freedom Fighter genes getting stirred up here, but if I were a gun owner, I could do as much with my hunting rifle or my shotgun as with an AR. That is ALL Oregon is talking about.

The odds of being killed by what you refer to as an "assault" weapon are astronomical. Almost everybody killed in this country with a gun is killed by your typical everyday handgun, but the Democrats won't dare propose banning those because they know what will happen to them politically if they do, so they go after the scary looking "assault" weapons because they know there are enough people like you out there to generate support and it gets them one step closer to their anti-gun agenda.

 

[miketx]

Good for Oregon!

They would have to take mine, fascist.

 

[Wry Catcher]

TN, taking those goddamned military style weapons out of civilian hands is not taking away anyone's rights to be armed. Those are inappropriate for civilian use and they are misused in a spectacular way by nutcases that our country won't take steps to keep unarmed. Whatever geniuses at Colt decided to design and sell those AR's ought to burn in hell and I hope they are.
I can understand your argument and I hear where you are coming from. I sometimes think about it fairly seriously. You can call me whatever names you want, but I can't for the life of me see how that ban would violate your rights or keep you from protecting yourself and your family.

Your trust in government bureaucracy is why you can't see the oppositions position.
Go to Venezuela and speak out against the Dictator....then get back to me as to why CITIZENS NEED TO OWN AR15's and more.

A Dictator WAS NOT allowed under Venezuelas Constitution.
Could never happen in the USA? Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
China JUST became a dictatorship. MILLIONS are at risk now.
Russia is now a hard line Dictatorship.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?

CITIZENS CANNOT OWN WEAPONS CAPABLE OF CHALLENGING THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?
Communism, which goes against human nature and is only instituted with brute force against anyone who objects.
Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
? Socialized health care works in every other civilized country on the planet. It's not something a normal person would feel they need to take up arms against.
So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

Russia, China, Venezuela and North Korea are not democracies, they are each autocratic and any claim they are communist states is made out of ignorance.

Beginning withe the election of Trump, we in the US became a full fledged Plutocracy. Most members of Congress are millionaires; billionaires were appointed by Trump - a billionaire - and confirmed by wealthy senators, to set the policies in the Trump Administration which protect and increase the wealth of the well to do, at the expense of the majority of our people, and at the expense of clean air, clean water and clean soil.

The reader may hate HRC and hate Obama and all Democrats, liberals and progressives; they may hate blacks, browns, gays, lesbians, Muslims, Asians,Immigrants and taxes, but this hate will come back to bite them, when they realize the Plutocrats hate, fear and exploit them.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Liberals don't understand, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

 

[OldLady]

So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

STOP with the racist card deflection crap already. The CONTEXT was that things UNEXPECTED happen. I happen to think Allen West would have been FAR better than Obama.

Greed and the lust for power ALSO move the world. Always has....always will. We've just enjoyed a lull for the last few hundred years.
A mere BLIP on the radar of history.

Tell me Xi in China is driven by money and I'll tell you you know NOTHING of current world events.
He's a power hungry maniac that the world is going to have to reckon with eventually and I predict it's gonna get UGLY.

Thank you for clarifying on the black President point.
How do you get power? Money. In the end, money. We have had a "lull" because very smart people figured out that with enough entanglement of our economic systems we would not be able to attack another country without hurting ourselves. That is what we've got right now. Picture the leaders of the EU and all the other major powers standing in a huddle with their hands deep in each others' pockets, holding the other guy's wallets. You know what they say, when you got a guy by the wallet....

President Xi--power hungry maniac? Maybe you're right, maybe he's just following with a long tradition of Chinese Emperors and Imperial Rule. He's nowhere close to letting his people run loose. Democracy isn't something that China (or Russia) ever had any experience with and they backed the wrong horses when their revolutions happened. But I believe that all people wish to be free and that the will to accomplish that will eventually win. It just doesn't happen over night. I'd be a lot more worried about Xi if I were a resident of Southeast Asia.

 

[OldLady]

TN, taking those goddamned military style weapons out of civilian hands is not taking away anyone's rights to be armed. Those are inappropriate for civilian use and they are misused in a spectacular way by nutcases that our country won't take steps to keep unarmed. Whatever geniuses at Colt decided to design and sell those AR's ought to burn in hell and I hope they are.
I can understand your argument and I hear where you are coming from. I sometimes think about it fairly seriously. You can call me whatever names you want, but I can't for the life of me see how that ban would violate your rights or keep you from protecting yourself and your family.

Your trust in government bureaucracy is why you can't see the oppositions position.
Go to Venezuela and speak out against the Dictator....then get back to me as to why CITIZENS NEED TO OWN AR15's and more.

A Dictator WAS NOT allowed under Venezuelas Constitution.
Could never happen in the USA? Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
China JUST became a dictatorship. MILLIONS are at risk now.
Russia is now a hard line Dictatorship.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?

CITIZENS CANNOT OWN WEAPONS CAPABLE OF CHALLENGING THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?
Communism, which goes against human nature and is only instituted with brute force against anyone who objects.
Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
? Socialized health care works in every other civilized country on the planet. It's not something a normal person would feel they need to take up arms against.
So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

Russia, China, Venezuela and North Korea are not democracies, they are each autocratic and any claim they are communist states is made out of ignorance.

Beginning withe the election of Trump, we in the US became a full fledged Plutocracy. Most members of Congress are millionaires; billionaires were appointed by Trump - a billionaire - and confirmed by wealthy senators, to set the policies in the Trump Administration which protect and increase the wealth of the well to do, at the expense of the majority of our people, and at the expense of clean air, clean water and clean soil.

The reader may hate HRC and hate Obama and all Democrats, liberals and progressives; they may hate blacks, browns, gays, lesbians, Muslims, Asians,Immigrants and taxes, but this hate will come back to bite them, when they realize the Plutocrats hate, fear and exploit them.

Okay. I think you might have misread some of what I meant to say, though.

 

[Anathema]

Oh relax, Oregonians can still blast the shit out of each other with shotguns.

It's not each other, or even the burglar that most gun owners are most concerned about, OldLady. It's the Government employees, acting in illegal and unconstitutional manners, who this law would likely seek to exempt (as so many gun laws do) that we seek to defend ourselves from.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Liberals don't understand, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

BULLSHIT ^^^

 

[Wry Catcher]

TN, taking those goddamned military style weapons out of civilian hands is not taking away anyone's rights to be armed. Those are inappropriate for civilian use and they are misused in a spectacular way by nutcases that our country won't take steps to keep unarmed. Whatever geniuses at Colt decided to design and sell those AR's ought to burn in hell and I hope they are.
I can understand your argument and I hear where you are coming from. I sometimes think about it fairly seriously. You can call me whatever names you want, but I can't for the life of me see how that ban would violate your rights or keep you from protecting yourself and your family.

Your trust in government bureaucracy is why you can't see the oppositions position.
Go to Venezuela and speak out against the Dictator....then get back to me as to why CITIZENS NEED TO OWN AR15's and more.

A Dictator WAS NOT allowed under Venezuelas Constitution.
Could never happen in the USA? Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
China JUST became a dictatorship. MILLIONS are at risk now.
Russia is now a hard line Dictatorship.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?

CITIZENS CANNOT OWN WEAPONS CAPABLE OF CHALLENGING THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?
Communism, which goes against human nature and is only instituted with brute force against anyone who objects.
Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
? Socialized health care works in every other civilized country on the planet. It's not something a normal person would feel they need to take up arms against.
So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

Russia, China, Venezuela and North Korea are not democracies, they are each autocratic and any claim they are communist states is made out of ignorance.

Beginning withe the election of Trump, we in the US became a full fledged Plutocracy. Most members of Congress are millionaires; billionaires were appointed by Trump - a billionaire - and confirmed by wealthy senators, to set the policies in the Trump Administration which protect and increase the wealth of the well to do, at the expense of the majority of our people, and at the expense of clean air, clean water and clean soil.

The reader may hate HRC and hate Obama and all Democrats, liberals and progressives; they may hate blacks, browns, gays, lesbians, Muslims, Asians,Immigrants and taxes, but this hate will come back to bite them, when they realize the Plutocrats hate, fear and exploit them.

Okay. I think you might have misread some of what I meant to say, though.

The ignorance comment was not directed at you. It was directed at all those who claim the Democratic Party, liberals and progressives are "commies"; those who claim the PPACA is Socialism which they also equate to totalitarianism / Government Control.

There is so much ignorance floating around it's impossible to know what those who support Trump, claim to be conservatives, and claim to understand the Constitution, know anything; most seem to simply echoing whatever is posted discrediting Democrats, Obama, the Clinton's and California.

 

[LuckyDuck]

LOL Very very few own "assault weapons"

Yeah. Only individuals with Federal Firearms Licenses can own "assault weapons." For that matter, it's a proposed bill and as yet, not approved.
Washington state submitted a similar bill and it....FAILED. The politicians had the common sense to recognize that legal, law-abiding owners of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, were no threat to people.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

LOL Very very few own "assault weapons"

Yeah. Only individuals with Federal Firearms Licenses can own "assault weapons." For that matter, it's a proposed bill and as yet, not approved.
Washington state submitted a similar bill and it....FAILED. The politicians had the common sense to recognize that legal, law-abiding owners of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, were no threat to people.

You're talking Oregon....common sense went out the window long ago

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

TN, taking those goddamned military style weapons out of civilian hands is not taking away anyone's rights to be armed. Those are inappropriate for civilian use and they are misused in a spectacular way by nutcases that our country won't take steps to keep unarmed. Whatever geniuses at Colt decided to design and sell those AR's ought to burn in hell and I hope they are.
I can understand your argument and I hear where you are coming from. I sometimes think about it fairly seriously. You can call me whatever names you want, but I can't for the life of me see how that ban would violate your rights or keep you from protecting yourself and your family.

Your trust in government bureaucracy is why you can't see the oppositions position.
Go to Venezuela and speak out against the Dictator....then get back to me as to why CITIZENS NEED TO OWN AR15's and more.

A Dictator WAS NOT allowed under Venezuelas Constitution.
Could never happen in the USA? Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
China JUST became a dictatorship. MILLIONS are at risk now.
Russia is now a hard line Dictatorship.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?

CITIZENS CANNOT OWN WEAPONS CAPABLE OF CHALLENGING THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

What do Venezuela, China and Russia (and North Korea) have in common?
Communism, which goes against human nature and is only instituted with brute force against anyone who objects.
Neither Could Socialized Health Care or a black President.
? Socialized health care works in every other civilized country on the planet. It's not something a normal person would feel they need to take up arms against.
So what if a President is black? Was that a sign onto you that this country had gone down the tubes beyond all help? But look who we have now. Nothing lasts forever. Neither does communism, as you are seeing with China, with Russia, with Venezuela and soon with North Korea. Money moves the world, not ideology.

Russia, China, Venezuela and North Korea are not democracies, they are each autocratic and any claim they are communist states is made out of ignorance.

Beginning withe the election of Trump, we in the US became a full fledged Plutocracy. Most members of Congress are millionaires; billionaires were appointed by Trump - a billionaire - and confirmed by wealthy senators, to set the policies in the Trump Administration which protect and increase the wealth of the well to do, at the expense of the majority of our people, and at the expense of clean air, clean water and clean soil.

The reader may hate HRC and hate Obama and all Democrats, liberals and progressives; they may hate blacks, browns, gays, lesbians, Muslims, Asians,Immigrants and taxes, but this hate will come back to bite them, when they realize the Plutocrats hate, fear and exploit them.

Okay. I think you might have misread some of what I meant to say, though.

The ignorance comment was not directed at you. It was directed at all those who claim the Democratic Party, liberals and progressives are "commies"

Go peruse the CPUSA site, then tell us the essential difference.

 

[Aba Incieni]

I live in a country with socialized and private medicine. Recently a friend's daughter fell and broke her head open that required stitches. Mom was made to go to several (private) pharmacies to buy all the supplies needed to do the job. The needle and thread, the antiseptic, the bandages...everything.

But the doctors, who all have private practices and volunteer one day a week, sewed it up for free.

 

[KGB]

Oregon Initiative Requires Gun Owners To Surrender ‘Assault Weapons’
Oregon has submitted a proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines in a ballot initiative petition meant to prevent mass shootings.




The cowards afraid of gun should all move out of the US , we will have to start a fund raiser to move communist fks out of the US.

Since you abhor democracy, there is no reason for you to remain in the United States.

The US is a democratic republic, and every state has the absolute right to establish Initiatives, Referendums and Recalls as part of their Constitution.

It's hypocrisy that people like you supported the Initiative to ban same sex marriage, and yet object to this Initiative in Washington St.

I'm sure the NRA will appeal this Initiative, and the Courts will decide on its
merit. Remember, CA passed the Initiative to ban same sex marriage, and the Federal Judiciary found it Unconstitutional.

The US is a Constitutional Republic. The states do not have the power to supersede the Bill of Rights.
The Supremacy clause makes this so.

 

[airplanemechanic]

KGB is correct. 100%.

However, nowhere in the constitution are assault weapons mandated as being legal. So that does not apply.

Just like states can make laws that make yelling fire in a theater illegal despite the 1st amendment, the supremacy clause does not mean laws can not be passed that have to do with amendments. They can limit the power of amendments.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Please Contact Us

Gun Confiscation Ballot Measure Updates.


05.09.18

Last evening at 5pm was the deadline for submitting comments on the ballot title for IP 43, the firearms confiscation measure. This measure would ban not only almost all modern firearms but could potentially even ban some lever action rifles.

Anyone who commented has standing to challenge the ballot title created by the Attorney General in the Oregon Supreme Court.

The Secretary of State is reporting they received over 1000 comments. Typically they receive a dozen or fewer.

The comments can be seen here. Many of you have shared the comments you sent with us. We have seen some very impressive and thorough work and you should all be proud.

Next up as you know, is the same process for IP 44.

This outrageous attack on your rights and common sense would require that your guns be inaccessible and even holds you responsible for crimes and accidents that involve a firearm you owned, for 5 years after you sold it.

Based on the Heller decision it is almost certainly unconstitutional. In Heller, the late Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the court’s opinion :

“The requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self defense and is hence unconstitutional.”



Gun Confiscation Ballot Measure Updates. - Oregon Firearms Federation

 

[Cellblock2429]

KGB is correct. 100%.

However, nowhere in the constitution are assault weapons mandated as being legal. So that does not apply.

Just like states can make laws that make yelling fire in a theater illegal despite the 1st amendment, the supremacy clause does not mean laws can not be passed that have to do with amendments. They can limit the power of amendments.

/-----/ "Just like states can make laws that make yelling fire in a theater illegal " It's not illegal if there really is a fire.