Oh Santorum.

[The Rabbi]

I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
How many people died in the Russian Revolution? How many in teh Chinese Revolution? How many in the African "wars of liberation"? How many in the Great Leap Forward? Combine all the deaths from the Marxist struggle, which is really a struggle against religion among other things, and the numbers will come close.

How many cathedrals has atheism produced? How many martyrs? What great deeds has atheism inspired in anyone?

 

[NoNukes]

I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
How many people died in the Russian Revolution? How many in teh Chinese Revolution? How many in the African "wars of liberation"? How many in the Great Leap Forward? Combine all the deaths from the Marxist struggle, which is really a struggle against religion among other things, and the numbers will come close.

How many cathedrals has atheism produced? How many martyrs? What great deeds has atheism inspired in anyone?

We do not need cathedrals or martyrs. Do you know nothing of what you speak?

 

[Photonic]

I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
How many people died in the Russian Revolution? How many in teh Chinese Revolution? How many in the African "wars of liberation"? How many in the Great Leap Forward? Combine all the deaths from the Marxist struggle, which is really a struggle against religion among other things, and the numbers will come close.

How many cathedrals has atheism produced? How many martyrs? What great deeds has atheism inspired in anyone?

Yea, 1000 years of social, economic, scientific, technological repression by religion obviously wasn't enough for you, you want to see a few thousand years more, don't you?

You would like that, wouldn't you?

Face the damn facts like a fucking man.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Rabbi]

I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
How many people died in the Russian Revolution? How many in teh Chinese Revolution? How many in the African "wars of liberation"? How many in the Great Leap Forward? Combine all the deaths from the Marxist struggle, which is really a struggle against religion among other things, and the numbers will come close.

How many cathedrals has atheism produced? How many martyrs? What great deeds has atheism inspired in anyone?

Yea, 1000 years of social, economic, scientific, technological repression by religion obviously wasn't enough for you, you want to see a few thousand years more, don't you?

You would like that, wouldn't you?

Face the damn facts like a fucking man.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Changing the goalposts much?
First you talk about murders, now you're on science.
FWIW and sicne you like WIki so much, here.
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesnt look like much suppression here. I guess you're wrong, again. Man up and face FACTS, man.

 

[Photonic]

I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
How many people died in the Russian Revolution? How many in teh Chinese Revolution? How many in the African "wars of liberation"? How many in the Great Leap Forward? Combine all the deaths from the Marxist struggle, which is really a struggle against religion among other things, and the numbers will come close.

How many cathedrals has atheism produced? How many martyrs? What great deeds has atheism inspired in anyone?

Yea, 1000 years of social, economic, scientific, technological repression by religion obviously wasn't enough for you, you want to see a few thousand years more, don't you?

You would like that, wouldn't you?

Face the damn facts like a fucking man.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Changing the goalposts much?
First you talk about murders, now you're on science.
FWIW and sicne you like WIki so much, here.
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesnt look like much suppression here. I guess you're wrong, again. Man up and face FACTS, man.

Well if you're going to play that game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(science_and_technology)

You are claiming that atheism lead directly to the murder of millions of people, I'm tell you you cannot find a single instance where an atheist has killed directly because of their atheism.

Note: Einstein isn't on that list because he was a theistic scientific pantheist

 

[imbalance]

Rick Santorum would like to thank his hypocrisy as well as those of you in this thread who have allowed yourselves to once again be trolled by emotive religious fallacies into abandoning your honest pursuit of truth.

 

[Photonic]

Rick Santorum would like to thank his hypocrisy as well as those of you in this thread who have allowed yourselves to once again be trolled by emotive religious fallacies into abandoning your honest pursuit of truth.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yea, 1000 years of social, economic, scientific, technological repression by religion obviously wasn't enough for you, you want to see a few thousand years more, don't you?

You would like that, wouldn't you?

Face the damn facts like a fucking man.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Changing the goalposts much?
First you talk about murders, now you're on science.
FWIW and sicne you like WIki so much, here.
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesnt look like much suppression here. I guess you're wrong, again. Man up and face FACTS, man.

Well if you're going to play that game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(science_and_technology)

You are claiming that atheism lead directly to the murder of millions of people, I'm tell you you cannot find a single instance where an atheist has killed directly because of their atheism.

Note: Einstein isn't on that list because he was a theistic scientific pantheist

Boy those goalposts sure move.
I made the point already that Marxism, an atheistic movement, has killed many people. A point you cannot refute.

 

[edthecynic]

The Jews go by the old testament because they don't believe Jesus was the Messiah. Christians study the OT for historical reasons, but they don't follow the old laws of that testament. Read the laws of the NT, that's what we do. And i don't remember reading in the OT that we're to KILL anyone. Yes, God ordered some people killed, but not that we were all to kill anyone that didn't believe as we did. God usually took care of that stuff Himself!

Gee, it appears that if someone invites you to their church, you are required to kill them and everyone in the city they came from.

De 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die...
15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

Old Testament again...find this in the NEW Testament.

Keep those goal posts moving!

 

[Photonic]

Changing the goalposts much?
First you talk about murders, now you're on science.
FWIW and sicne you like WIki so much, here.
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesnt look like much suppression here. I guess you're wrong, again. Man up and face FACTS, man.

Well if you're going to play that game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(science_and_technology)

You are claiming that atheism lead directly to the murder of millions of people, I'm tell you you cannot find a single instance where an atheist has killed directly because of their atheism.

Note: Einstein isn't on that list because he was a theistic scientific pantheist

Boy those goalposts sure move.
I made the point already that Marxism, an atheistic movement, has killed many people. A point you cannot refute.

Marxism has a property that is atheistic, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of evidence that it is that property that was the cause.

Dawkins argues in The God Delusion that "What matters is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does."

Again with the False Cause fallacy.

 

[The Rabbi]

Well if you're going to play that game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(science_and_technology)

You are claiming that atheism lead directly to the murder of millions of people, I'm tell you you cannot find a single instance where an atheist has killed directly because of their atheism.

Note: Einstein isn't on that list because he was a theistic scientific pantheist

Boy those goalposts sure move.
I made the point already that Marxism, an atheistic movement, has killed many people. A point you cannot refute.

Marxism has a property that is atheistic, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of evidence that it is that property that was the cause.

Dawkins argues in The God Delusion that "What matters is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does."

Again with the False Cause fallacy.

I dont know who Dawkins is. I don't care either.
When people's ideology are unrepressed by religion then anything can happen. Atheism is among the central tenets of Marxism and makes it possible.

 

[edthecynic]

Boy those goalposts sure move.
I made the point already that Marxism, an atheistic movement, has killed many people. A point you cannot refute.

Marxism has a property that is atheistic, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of evidence that it is that property that was the cause.

Dawkins argues in The God Delusion that "What matters is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does."

Again with the False Cause fallacy.

I dont know who Dawkins is. I don't care either.
When people's ideology are unrepressed by religion then anything can happen. Atheism is among the central tenets of Marxism and makes it possible.

BullShit!!!!

 

[J.E.D]

When the US becomes a theocracy you may have a point.

Until then, you don't.

Glad I could help

When Santorum stops believing that the afterlife he believes in will be worse than this life, then he'll have a point (I guess). Until then, he doesn't. Glad I could help.

Nice try at deflection that has nothing to do with the subject of Iran's nuclear capability or their system of government. You get an E for effort.

Yeah, I agree that Iranians' beliefs about the afterlife have absolutely nothing to do with their nuclear capability. Unfortunately, Santorum believes otherwise, which is why I'm making fun of him. I think you need to address your criticisms to Santorum. You get an F for fail.

 

[kaz]

Marxism has a property that is atheistic, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of evidence that it is that property that was the cause.

Dawkins argues in The God Delusion that "What matters is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does."

Again with the False Cause fallacy.

I dont know who Dawkins is. I don't care either.
When people's ideology are unrepressed by religion then anything can happen. Atheism is among the central tenets of Marxism and makes it possible.

BullShit!!!!

Liberalism...ignorance in action. That's funny. You should read some books about Karl Marx and learn about the central role that atheism plays in Marxism. I am no friend of Christianity and I have no pony in this race, but the statement you called "bullshit" is historically dead on and it's your statement that is "bullshit." Sorry.

 

[Photonic]

Boy those goalposts sure move.
I made the point already that Marxism, an atheistic movement, has killed many people. A point you cannot refute.

Marxism has a property that is atheistic, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of evidence that it is that property that was the cause.

Dawkins argues in The God Delusion that "What matters is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does."

Again with the False Cause fallacy.

I dont know who Dawkins is. I don't care either.
When people's ideology are unrepressed by religion then anything can happen. Atheism is among the central tenets of Marxism and makes it possible.

Again post hoc ergo propter hoc.

You made a claim that atheism specifically is the CAUSE.

Allow me to show you the light.


Marxism is an economic and sociopolitical worldview and method of socioeconomic inquiry that centers upon a materialist interpretation of history, a dialectical view of social change, and an analysis and critique of the development of capitalism.

These are the core ideas behind Marxism.

A. Historical Materialism.

"Society does not consist of individuals, but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand."
— Karl Marx, Grundrisse, 1858

The historical materialist theory of history, also synonymous to “the economic interpretation of history” (a coinage by Eduard Bernstein),[10] looks for the causes of societal development and change in the collective ways humans use to make the means for living. The social features of a society (social classes, political structures, ideologies) derive from economic activity; “base and superstructure” is the metaphoric common term describing this historic condition.


What does this mean? It means that history is looked at through the lens of economics, and what the effects of the economic principles of the time had on those societies. Nothing to see here, moving on.

B. Social Change

Class Struggle. What does it really mean?

Class struggle is the active expression of a class conflict looked at from any kind of socialist perspective.

What does this have to do with Marxism? Well it turns out that Karl Marx had a very different idea of class.

Karl Marx and his friend Friedrich Engels wrote "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle". In the Communist Manifesto he specifically mentions his view was through economics only, disregarding the notion of social classes completely.

There are two concepts you must remember;

Membership in a class is defined by one's relationship to the means of production, i.e., one's position in the social structure that characterizes capitalism. Marx talks mainly about two classes that include the vast majority of the population, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. Other classes such as the petty bourgeoisie share characteristics of both of these main classes

Labour (the proletariat or workers) includes anyone who earns their livelihood by selling their labor power and being paid a wage or salary for their labor time. They have little choice but to work for capital, since they typically have no independent way to survive.

Capital (the bourgeoisie or capitalists) includes anyone who gets their income not from labor as much as from the surplus value they appropriate from the workers who create wealth. The income of the capitalists, therefore, is based on their exploitation of the workers (proletariat).



Why is this relevant? Because your statement that atheism is central to the Marxist world view is simply incorrect. The only view of Marxism is economic materialism.


Now, why is atheism part of marxism?

The truthful person would say it isn't, certain religious dogma is diametrically opposed to the core tenants of economic class that Marx wished to see. Why is this?

Because he was a materialist.

What is materialism?

The theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter or energy.

The only somewhat valid argument you could posit from this is one in which materialism causes problems.

Is one of the core values of atheism that only matter and energy exist?

The answer is no, atheism is a property assigned to a lack of belief in a deity, not a lack of believe in spirituality.

Fun fact, did you know Buddhism is atheistic?

 

[edthecynic]

I dont know who Dawkins is. I don't care either.
When people's ideology are unrepressed by religion then anything can happen. Atheism is among the central tenets of Marxism and makes it possible.

BullShit!!!!

Liberalism...ignorance in action. That's funny. You should read some books about Karl Marx and learn about the central role that atheism plays in Marxism. I am no friend of Christianity and I have no pony in this race, but the statement you called "bullshit" is historically dead on and it's your statement that is "bullshit." Sorry.

CON$ervatism...Lying in action. That's funny. I'm sure there are a lot of books by CON$, each citing the other, that parrot that BULLSHIT, but that doesn't make it any less bullshit.

 

[J.E.D]

Your obsession

"My" obsession, my African-American wanna be friend? I was in your sig...twice.

Yes, you were. Why? Because you're a fucking idiot who seems obsessed with my race. You accused me of being black (like that's a bad thing), then after I owned you on that one, you accused me of pretending to be black (again with no evidence to back it up). That's why your dumb ass was in my sig. I thought that you'd be embarrassed enough to not open your pie-hole about it again. I guess I underestimated your stupidity. Again, it's really telling of your character. I'm sure your buddies at Stormfront get off on your obvious racism; but me, I just shake my head at your idiocy. Carry on.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Isn't the basic tenet of all religions is that the afterlife is better?

Yes, however that is ignoring the very first part of Santorum's statement.

Personally, I think Santorum is an asshat of the highest caliber and shouldn't be elected head dogshit collector. But putting personal feelings aside his statement as presented is being misconstrued.

They're a theocracy that has deeply embedded beliefs that the afterlife is better than this life

Which means they are run by religious nuts who have no fear of dying (since the afterlife is going to be better), and therefore don't care who they take with them. Is it really a wise idea to allow such people access and control over nuclear weapons?

 

[RadiomanATL]

When Santorum stops believing that the afterlife he believes in will be worse than this life, then he'll have a point (I guess). Until then, he doesn't. Glad I could help.

Nice try at deflection that has nothing to do with the subject of Iran's nuclear capability or their system of government. You get an E for effort.

Yeah, I agree that Iranians' beliefs about the afterlife have absolutely nothing to do with their nuclear capability. Unfortunately, Santorum believes otherwise, which is why I'm making fun of him. I think you need to address your criticisms to Santorum. You get an F for fail.

Keep deflecting and keep failing, you're getting better and better at it

 

[kaz]

BullShit!!!!

Liberalism...ignorance in action. That's funny. You should read some books about Karl Marx and learn about the central role that atheism plays in Marxism. I am no friend of Christianity and I have no pony in this race, but the statement you called "bullshit" is historically dead on and it's your statement that is "bullshit." Sorry.

CON$ervatism...Lying in action. That's funny. I'm sure there are a lot of books by CON$, each citing the other, that parrot that BULLSHIT, but that doesn't make it any less bullshit.

You really are too lazy to use Google to at least not appear to be stupid, aren't you? Sad, very sad.