Official USMB Shutdown Showdown Thread --- Jan 10th, 2019

[BluesLegend]

Dem's negotiate by demanding you give them what they want now, and they never hold up their end of the deal later. This is why Trump has to hold their feet to the fire, Dem's are lying backstabbers who never hold up their end.

Ask US bankers how good Don's word is, they won't touch his serially bankrupted ass, been decades now. Oh, and his bet with Warren? Find ya some real somewhere, this is bogus.

Your new name is Deflecto.

 

[bendog]

Do the Trumpbots not know Trump reneged on the wall for DACA or do they just refuse to remember it?

 

[Siete]

Trump's Border Wall Speech Blamed Democrats for the Shutdown. Polls Show Americans Blame Him

 

[Lesh]

Open the damn government. Let people who are WORKING...get PAID.

No problem, approve the funding for border security.

Fork over the ransom and the hostages get released?

 

[80zephyr]

Tr

The Democrats said they didn't want to negotiate, so Trump went for a sandwich.

Trump left no room TO negotiate!

He walked out!

Trump tried to get them to put money in the last budget, one he grudgingly signed. He didn't get his money, and the leftist media eviscerated him for it.

A headline at Huffington:

Trump Signs Another Big Spending Bill With No Money For His Wall
“This shows the president to be a total wuss on the budget.”

And its Trump that has left no room to negotiate?

Mark

 

[Lesh]

Trump tried to get them to put money in the last budget, one he grudgingly signed. He didn't get his money, and the leftist media eviscerated him for it.

WHat?

That budget was passed by a Republican House and a Republican Senate

 

[BluesLegend]

Open the damn government. Let people who are WORKING...get PAID.

No problem, approve the funding for border security.

Fork over the ransom and the hostages get released?

You mad bro?

 

[Oddball]

Trump's idea of a negotiation is "I'll release the hostages if you give me 5 billion for a wall"

How is that negotiation?

Dems have PASSED legislation that INCLUDES funding for border security at last year's level. Trump hasn't even spent THAT money on this "crisis"

How Chuck, Nancy, and the demoncrats "negotiate".

 

[Lesh]

Negotiate with WHO?

Trump walked out when he didn't get his way

 

[Crepitus]

Open the damn government. Let people who are WORKING...get PAID.

No problem, approve the funding for border security.

They did, just not this wall boondoggle.

 

[Slyhunter]

Negotiate with WHO?

Trump walked out when he didn't get his way

Trump walked out when he realized he was negotiating with brick walls.

 

[Lesh]

Negotiate with WHO?

Trump walked out when he didn't get his way

Trump walked out when he realized he was negotiating with brick walls.

He never even tried to negotiate.

He just demanded the ransom and when he didn't get it...he walked out

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Negotiate with WHO?

Trump walked out when he didn't get his way

Trump walked out when he realized he was negotiating with brick walls.

He never even tried to negotiate.

He just demanded the ransom and when he didn't get it...he walked out

Utter bull. The focus point is the wall, and the Democrats position is he won't get the wall no matter what. There is nothing more to discuss for Trump. Under their conditions (no wall) let the government stay closed until 2020. If Trump wins reelection, then until 2024.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.

 

[kyzr]

I'm sure Trump has a stockpile of dem policies that he will be able to beat them over the head with in 2020.
A list something like this:
1. Open borders
2. Sanctuary cities
3. Free college
4. Single Payer Healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE
6. Promote Globalism
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property
10. Let NK develop nukes and delivery systems
11. Tax corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Max food stamps instead of good paying jobs
13. Opioid problem running rampant across the US
14. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
15. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
16. No new pipelines
17. No offshore drilling
18. No privacy as tech giants like google and facebook work with dems to promote liberalism
19. Colleges deny any speakers except liberals and indoctrinate kids to be lifelong liberals or flunk out
20. The dems "Central Committee" appoint super-delegates to vote and subvert regular voters in primaries
21. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
22. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
23. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
24. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump and published the phony Steele Dossier
25. Sell US secrets like Wen Ho Lee sold nuke secrets to China, and Hillary sold uranium to the Russians via the UraniumOne scam
26. Have the Black Panthers or antifa guard urban polling stations with clubs to keep conservative voters away, guarantee those 300,000 to 0 results
27. Do not allow conservative blacks on TV, keep those urban plantations 100% democrat.
28. Allow the aclu, and BLM to protect criminals and put blue lives in danger. Stop and frisk saved lives, democrat Chicago is a war zone
29. Hire bimbos to swear that they were sexually assaulted by the GOP candidates.
30. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
31. Colleges only hire liberal professors, and promote only the Leftist perspective, conservatism is not allowed on campus.
32. Democrats refuse to provide any funding for the wall, which DHS says is desperately needed.
33. Democrats want to give $billions to Mexico and Central America, but won't help USA citizens living in tent cities, or fund the wall to protect jobs & wages
34. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
35. Spend billions for a "Marshal Plan" for Central America to stop the flow of migrants to the US

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm sure Trump has a stockpile of dem policies that he will be able to beat them over the head with in 2020.
A list something like this:
1. Open borders
2. Sanctuary cities
3. Free college
4. Single Payer Healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE
6. Promote Globalism
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property
10. Let NK develop nukes and delivery systems
11. Tax corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Max food stamps instead of good paying jobs
13. Opioid problem running rampant across the US
14. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
15. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
16. No new pipelines
17. No offshore drilling
18. No privacy as tech giants like google and facebook work with dems to promote liberalism
19. Colleges deny any speakers except liberals and indoctrinate kids to be lifelong liberals or flunk out
20. The dems "Central Committee" appoint super-delegates to vote and subvert regular voters in primaries
21. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
22. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
23. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
24. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump and published the phony Steele Dossier
25. Sell US secrets like Wen Ho Lee sold nuke secrets to China, and Hillary sold uranium to the Russians via the UraniumOne scam
26. Have the Black Panthers or antifa guard urban polling stations with clubs to keep conservative voters away, guarantee those 300,000 to 0 results
27. Do not allow conservative blacks on TV, keep those urban plantations 100% democrat.
28. Allow the aclu, and BLM to protect criminals and put blue lives in danger. Stop and frisk saved lives, democrat Chicago is a war zone
29. Hire bimbos to swear that they were sexually assaulted by the GOP candidates.
30. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
31. Colleges only hire liberal professors, and promote only the Leftist perspective, conservatism is not allowed on campus.
32. Democrats refuse to provide any funding for the wall, which DHS says is desperately needed.
33. Democrats want to give $billions to Mexico and Central America, but won't help USA citizens living in tent cities, or fund the wall to protect jobs & wages
34. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
35. Spend billions for a "Marshal Plan" for Central America to stop the flow of migrants to the US

Perhaps, but Democrats would just lie and deny any or all allegations. If Trump did what I suggest, it would force Democrats to be honest about what they are really after. That's something I would gladly see Trump trade the wall for.

Right now what the Democrats are pushing is the wall won't do any good (even though they know it will) they tell people that they fully support border security when they really don't. They tell the people they will work with Trump on alternate security measures, but not say why which is other measures can be removed if they ever get back into power.

All I'm suggesting is that we force Democrats into honesty. Then let the voters decide which leadership they want in the future. Dems would never go for that because they are dishonest from the time they open their mouths until the time they go to sleep at night.

 

[kyzr]

HA!! Nothing would ever force democrats not to lie. All they do is lie and then their minions in the fake-news MSM and fact-twisters (not checkers) spin the truth to help the dems and hurt the GOP.
The voters will decide, hopefully just like in 2016

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HA!! Nothing would ever force democrats not to lie. All they do is lie and then their minions in the fake-news MSM and fact-twisters (not checkers) spin the truth to help the dems and hurt the GOP.
The voters will decide, hopefully just like in 2016

That may be true, but it's fodder for right-wing commentators and shows. After all, if the beef Democrats have is the wall because it would be useless, and they really want to help stop illegal immigration, they would have no problem with creating a law that would actually greatly slow down immigration with no wall involved. I believe a harsh prison penalty would do just that. It would not only work on border crossers, but Visa's and the illegals we have in this country now. They would be finding ways to get the hell out of the US. We both know Democrats do not want that.

 

[Norman]

I have never seen the dems so concerned about 5 billion dollars. You could include that anywhere without them even noticing.

But now that it's clear that the money will actually help Americans, they of course can not accept it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have never seen the dems so concerned about 5 billion dollars. You could include that anywhere without them even noticing.

But now that it's clear that the money will actually help Americans, they of course can not accept it.

They can't accept an initiative that would ruin their ultimate plans. But I think it's important that Americans know what their plans are even if they won't admit it and actually lie about it.

"Okay Nancy, Trump agreed not to build a wall if you criminalize being here illegally. Why did you refuse to compromise on that?"

I can see it now.