Official USMB Shutdown Showdown Thread --- Jan 10th, 2019

5 billion isn't a wall.

You want border security money...say so and we can discuss what is required
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.



Because we currently have zero border security, no fences, wall barriers, no check points & no border patrols.

We can't

Because there is no Trump wall, none of this can possible exist.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.



Because we currently have zero border security, no fences, wall barriers, no check points & no border patrols.

We can't

Because there is no Trump wall, none of this can possible exist.

Actually we do have walls and fences. They work wonders everyplace we have them. And we do have border security. They nabbed over 300,000 people trying to cross into the US during 2017.

The problem however is we don't have walls and fences everywhere needed so these people can still sneak in.
 
5 billion isn't a wall.

You want border security money...say so and we can discuss what is required

The only thing Democrats will discuss is methods that are easily removed once in power again. Walls are forever. That's why Democrats are so fearful of them. Not only would they work as they have in places we (and other countries) have them. They are not easily removed.
 
Trump's idea of a negotiation is "I'll release the hostages if you give me 5 billion for a wall"

How is that negotiation?

Dems have PASSED legislation that INCLUDES funding for border security at last year's level. Trump hasn't even spent THAT money on this "crisis"

How Chuck, Nancy, and the demoncrats "negotiate".

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Even MSNBC was mocking Pelosi and Schumer, they looked like angry wax figures.
 
5 billion isn't a wall.

You want border security money...say so and we can discuss what is required

The only thing Democrats will discuss is methods that are easily removed once in power again. Walls are forever. That's why Democrats are so fearful of them. Not only would they work as they have in places we (and other countries) have them. They are not easily removed.

Democrats have already said on national tv that if they cut a deal with Trump they fully intend to weasel out of it...AFTER...they get what they want.
 
Trump's idea of a negotiation is "I'll release the hostages if you give me 5 billion for a wall"

How is that negotiation?

Dems have PASSED legislation that INCLUDES funding for border security at last year's level. Trump hasn't even spent THAT money on this "crisis"


Stop lying, that money has been obligated, you and your MSM masters have no clue how government contracting works. And nazi palousey said open the government and we'll discuss border security, she lied. She told the president today that no they won't discuss it. The president walked out, as he should have.

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These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.


Let me get this straight.. .. You think that Democrats saying no to locking up people for five years because they are looking for a better life would hurt them politically? Guess what it has been tried, only less drastically with the family separations last year. It was such a bad idea that Trump gave up within a few days. And the Democrats are still raising money on the back of it.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.



A trump ass kisser worried about the honesty of others….too damn funny.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.


Let me get this straight.. .. You think that Democrats saying no to locking up people for five years because they are looking for a better life would hurt them politically? Guess what it has been tried, only less drastically with the family separations last year. It was such a bad idea that Trump gave up within a few days. And the Democrats are still raising money on the back of it.

Sure it would hurt them politically. All this time they've been telling us they are for border security, just not a wall. Okay, well if they are for border security, then why not make it a five year minimum prison sentence for anybody caught here illegally?

To half-way intelligent people, it's clear the Democrats want these illegals flowing in like water, but the sheep and headline readers really don't understand this. They really believe that the Democrats actually want border security. By refusing the offer, it would reinforce the point they really don't.
 
I have never seen the dems so concerned about 5 billion dollars. You could include that anywhere without them even noticing.

But now that it's clear that the money will actually help Americans, they of course can not accept it.

I doubt they’re concerned; the money is coming from Mexico, right?
 
Did you know clean water was everywhere BEFORE there were ANY governments?

Um, no, it really wasn't... when we started getting real concentrations of people, the need for clean water became abundent.

You realize that before we had big public works, water was often co-mixed with feces and there were lots of nasty germs in it, right?

Libertarians are hilarious, they think Civilization just kind of happens.. It's so cute. Then we grown ups have to take care of business.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.


Let me get this straight.. .. You think that Democrats saying no to locking up people for five years because they are looking for a better life would hurt them politically? Guess what it has been tried, only less drastically with the family separations last year. It was such a bad idea that Trump gave up within a few days. And the Democrats are still raising money on the back of it.

Sure it would hurt them politically. All this time they've been telling us they are for border security, just not a wall. Okay, well if they are for border security, then why not make it a five year minimum prison sentence for anybody caught here illegally?

To half-way intelligent people, it's clear the Democrats want these illegals flowing in like water, but the sheep and headline readers really don't understand this. They really believe that the Democrats actually want border security. By refusing the offer, it would reinforce the point they really don't.
Maybe because it's gratuitous, prohibitively expensive, not to mention immoral?
 
Sorry, I don't believe that for a fucking minute. It doesn't matter what is attempted to curb or stop illegal immigration, your side always has an excuse to oppose it.

Mostly because what you guys propose is usually racist or stupid.

The reality... Illegal immigration started declining under Obama.

Thank you trump for protecting the poor

you mean he supported unions and a living wage?

No, of course not! He just wants to keep other poor people from doing the jobs poor Americans don't want to do.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

OR

Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.


Let me get this straight.. .. You think that Democrats saying no to locking up people for five years because they are looking for a better life would hurt them politically? Guess what it has been tried, only less drastically with the family separations last year. It was such a bad idea that Trump gave up within a few days. And the Democrats are still raising money on the back of it.

Sure it would hurt them politically. All this time they've been telling us they are for border security, just not a wall. Okay, well if they are for border security, then why not make it a five year minimum prison sentence for anybody caught here illegally?

To half-way intelligent people, it's clear the Democrats want these illegals flowing in like water, but the sheep and headline readers really don't understand this. They really believe that the Democrats actually want border security. By refusing the offer, it would reinforce the point they really don't.
Maybe because it's gratuitous, prohibitively expensive, not to mention immoral?

More expensive than 130 billion a year? More expensive than a shutdown? What is immoral about creating laws that help to stop a problem? Isn't that why we have them in the first place?
 
Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.

You want to feed, clothe, house, and take care of illegal aliens for 5 years?

That is about $30-60,000 per prisoner per year. Average that to $45,000 and you would have spent $225,000 dollars on an illegal alien.

How much does it cost to send someone to prison?

It would actually cost more since the Marketplace stats (from what I can tell) do not include translators for the inmates who may not speak English.

The price of your fear is not manageable.
 
These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall

The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.

Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:

Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.

Ray, maybe if your side stopped alienating people of color with racism and tried to sell your positions to folks of color, you wouldn't be wetting yourself over the day when whites are a minority.

The thing is, the GOP gets dumb white people like you to vote against your own economic interests, which is why you are happy driving around in a dead end job with no health insurance, as long as you got m ore than the Darkies.

Oh, wait... That Darkie got ahead of you! Damn!
 
Actually we do have walls and fences. They work wonders everyplace we have them. And we do have border security. They nabbed over 300,000 people trying to cross into the US during 2017.

The problem however is we don't have walls and fences everywhere needed so these people can still sneak in.

The 300,000 figure is for all points of entry, not just the southern border.

We've always had fences and walls, and undocumented immigrants have always found ways around them. If Oceans and Mountains can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.

Do you know why attempts to cross the Southern Border are down?

1) Increased workplace enforcement.
2) Increased economic opportunities in Mexico
3) Increased efficiency by the BP in doing their jobs without wasteful walls.
 

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