Obama's Philosophy

[Lonestar_logic]

Indeed, life is not fair.

If I had a preference, I would prefer to live in a fair world. in light of that, I would prefer policies that create more fairness to policies that create less fairness.

Perhaps you would prefer the opposite?

Fairness is subjective.

What may be seen as fair to you may be viewed as unfair to others.

Fairness is not purely subjective. I *think* we can all agree that slavery was objectively unfair.

Unfair to whom? The slaves or the slave owners?

 

[NoEconomist]

Yes I do take issue with it
Society will always be unfair to some degree. We can strive for a better life and work on our problems but we will never be able to wipe out greed and evil from some people.

Well not with that attitude it won't....So what? Just give up? You agree that some are greedy to the extreme and that in and of itself is not good (not going to say evil) Platitudes like "Well that's just the natural way of it" take hold as conventional wisdom when no one challenges it.

If you give up in a forfeit because you have been convinced that its not in your best interest to stand up for yourself you and yours will always just be paying rent on the American dream.

Where did I say give up?
I never said greedy to the extreme.
What part of strive for the better did you not get?
Never said that is the natural way of it. I said it is reality.

Whou....hold up, don't get hostile. When you said "greed and evil" I thought you where referencing economic malevolence.

And I'm glad you want to strive for better. Reality is what we make it. There are those that would have you beilve that their truth is the natural truth. They have charts and graphs and a whole bunch of people standing behind them all well paid to nod their head in agreement. Its easy to through your hands up and say "Fuckit! Whatever, may be I'm wrong" and some times we are often wrong, but that doesn't make them always right.

 

[peach174]

I'm not being hostile.
I think that this is where a lot of our problems are at (assumptions). Mis-reading everyone, assuming what they say and not listing to what they are saying.
I think that is what humans do the best (is assume) which leads to a lot of misunderstandings. We all need to work on this. I do it too sometimes.

 

[Cal]

Obama could say anything and the right would have outrage.

He wants a more fair society?.. If you take issue with that, I guess that means you don't want to strive towards a more fair society?

Jesus, you cons take issue with the dumbest sh*t!

 

[peach174]

Obama could say anything and the right would have outrage.

He wants a more fair society?.. If you take issue with that, I guess that means you don't want to strive towards a more fair society?

Jesus, you cons take issue with the dumbest sh*t!

He did not say he wants a more fair society he said he wants to live in a society that is fair.
Big difference there.
And it is not outrage. It is about dealing with reality.
Let's see, the left can nit pick with words but the right can't?

 

[NoEconomist]

I'm not being hostile.
I think that this is where a lot of our problems are at (assumptions). Mis-reading everyone, assuming what they say and not listing to what they are saying.
I think that is what humans do the best (is assume) which leads to a lot of misunderstandings. We all need to work on this. I do it too sometimes.

As do I

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think this man understands reality at all.
I listened to him on his first campaign trail last week and he said that he wants to live in a society that is fair.
Life is NOT FAIR OBAMA.
We will never have a society that is fair. Not as long as there is greed and evil in this world.
When he said this, it told me that he has book intelligence but no common sense.
Why would any American want to re elect this man who's ideology doesn't work in the real world?
PLEASE DON"T BE STUPID AMERICA AND BUY IN TO HIS PIE IN THE SKY IDEAS
DON'T REELECT HIM!
His philosophy will never work and it will turn us into a 3rd world nation.

No life is not fair....but what do we do with people who have been dealt an unfair lot in life

Is it fair that some people are born to parents that can't afford to send them to college?
No.....but we still provide them with options so they can still attend

Is it fair that some people cannot afford to go to a doctor when they are sick?
No....but we still try to help everyone receive critical medical care

Is it fair that some people have to choose between buying life saving medications or eating?
No....but we try to assist people so they can have both

We are a modern society and the wealthiest nation on earth. We can afford to take care of people who need taking care of.

Telling people to suck it up because "life is not fair" does not reflect a great society

 

[8537]

Hoping for better is good, hoping for the impossible is foolish.

Seriously, do you actually think that there will ever be a fair society? With all the class warfare, racism etc... that exists. I think your living in fantasy land. What may be fair to you does not mean other will feel the same way. There will always be envy, animosity, jealousy etc.. in a country with 300+ million people.

Wise up!

The president said he would prefer to live a fair society. It's amazing that the rightwing has become so tied up in its own rhetoric that it would argue against striving towards a more fair society in order to preserve a less fair one.

Actually he said "I want to live in a society that's fair,". If you're going to defend his sentiment, at least be honest.

Do you want to live in a society that is unfair?

As I said before "fair" is subjective. Is it fair to take hard earned money from one group while another group pays in nothing? And then to top it all off to demand even more money from the very people that are already paying 70 percent of federal income taxes.

That's what Obama wants to do. So tell me. What's fair about that?

Now you're just making shit up.

 

[8537]

Fairness is subjective.

What may be seen as fair to you may be viewed as unfair to others.

Fairness is not purely subjective. I *think* we can all agree that slavery was objectively unfair.

Unfair to whom? The slaves or the slave owners?

Unfair to the slaves, clearly.

Unfair to slaveowners in a manner they didn't comprehend.

 

[peach174]

I don't think this man understands reality at all.
I listened to him on his first campaign trail last week and he said that he wants to live in a society that is fair.
Life is NOT FAIR OBAMA.
We will never have a society that is fair. Not as long as there is greed and evil in this world.
When he said this, it told me that he has book intelligence but no common sense.
Why would any American want to re elect this man who's ideology doesn't work in the real world?
PLEASE DON"T BE STUPID AMERICA AND BUY IN TO HIS PIE IN THE SKY IDEAS
DON'T REELECT HIM!
His philosophy will never work and it will turn us into a 3rd world nation.

No life is not fair....but what do we do with people who have been dealt an unfair lot in life

Is it fair that some people are born to parents that can't afford to send them to college?
No.....but we still provide them with options so they can still attend

Is it fair that some people cannot afford to go to a doctor when they are sick?
No....but we still try to help everyone receive critical medical care

Is it fair that some people have to choose between buying life saving medications or eating?
No....but we try to assist people so they can have both

We are a modern society and the wealthiest nation on earth. We can afford to take care of people who need taking care of.

Telling people to suck it up because "life is not fair" does not reflect a great society

Could you tell me where I said suck it up?

 

[peach174]

The president said he would prefer to live a fair society. It's amazing that the rightwing has become so tied up in its own rhetoric that it would argue against striving towards a more fair society in order to preserve a less fair one.

Actually he said "I want to live in a society that's fair,". If you're going to defend his sentiment, at least be honest.

Do you want to live in a society that is unfair?

As I said before "fair" is subjective. Is it fair to take hard earned money from one group while another group pays in nothing? And then to top it all off to demand even more money from the very people that are already paying 70 percent of federal income taxes.

That's what Obama wants to do. So tell me. What's fair about that?

Now you're just making shit up.

Making it up? Obama wants redistribution of wealth. What is fair about giving to those who do not earn it themselves and taking from those that do work hard. This is the very idea that has given us the problems with welfare. Giving money instead of really helping them to get out of poverty.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think this man understands reality at all.
I listened to him on his first campaign trail last week and he said that he wants to live in a society that is fair.
Life is NOT FAIR OBAMA.
We will never have a society that is fair. Not as long as there is greed and evil in this world.
When he said this, it told me that he has book intelligence but no common sense.
Why would any American want to re elect this man who's ideology doesn't work in the real world?
PLEASE DON"T BE STUPID AMERICA AND BUY IN TO HIS PIE IN THE SKY IDEAS
DON'T REELECT HIM!
His philosophy will never work and it will turn us into a 3rd world nation.

No life is not fair....but what do we do with people who have been dealt an unfair lot in life

Is it fair that some people are born to parents that can't afford to send them to college?
No.....but we still provide them with options so they can still attend

Is it fair that some people cannot afford to go to a doctor when they are sick?
No....but we still try to help everyone receive critical medical care

Is it fair that some people have to choose between buying life saving medications or eating?
No....but we try to assist people so they can have both

We are a modern society and the wealthiest nation on earth. We can afford to take care of people who need taking care of.

Telling people to suck it up because "life is not fair" does not reflect a great society

Could you tell me where I said suck it up?

You do not want to live in a society that is fair. Evidently, President Obama does.

Typical rightwing overreation to the President saying he wants to live in a society that is fair. The wingnuts start screaming socialism, marxism, redistribution of wealth so that everyone receives an equal share.

What our President is saying is that society needs to do what it can for people to whom life has not been fair. He is acknowleging that life is not fair, that does not mean that our society can't be fair. Giving someone a helping hand is not socialism

 

[peach174]

A hand up is helping, a hand out is not.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually he said "I want to live in a society that's fair,". If you're going to defend his sentiment, at least be honest.

Do you want to live in a society that is unfair?

As I said before "fair" is subjective. Is it fair to take hard earned money from one group while another group pays in nothing? And then to top it all off to demand even more money from the very people that are already paying 70 percent of federal income taxes.

That's what Obama wants to do. So tell me. What's fair about that?

Now you're just making shit up.

Making it up? Obama wants redistribution of wealth. What is fair about giving to those who do not earn it themselves and taking from those that do work hard. This is the very idea that has given us the problems with welfare. Giving money instead of really helping them to get out of poverty.

How do we redestribute wealth in our society? When the wealthy took a larger portion of available wealth in the last 30 years, did it involve taking money from the bank accounts of middle class and sending it to the wealthy? No...it meant changing the rules so that it made it easier for the wealthy to accumulate more riches.

How do we redistribute wealth to the middle class? Does it mean take money away from the rich and giving it to the poor? No...it means changing the rules so that it makes it easier for middle class Americans to earn and retain wealth

 

[8537]

Making it up? Obama wants redistribution of wealth

saying you want a fair society is not the same thing as saying you want to increase taxes on the top "x" percent.

. What is fair about giving to those who do not earn it themselves and taking from those that do work hard. This is the very idea that has given us the problems with welfare. Giving money instead of really helping them to get out of poverty.

Maybe you live in a fucked up state, but in most states (including mine) we don't just "give" welfare. We offer TANF to people for a maximum of two years consecutive/five years lifetime and we require a specific amount of work or job training for all recipients - which helps people get out of poverty.

 

[whitehall]

It's not the government's responsibility to make sure that life is fair. God help us if we give a single former junkie community activist who's father was an anti-American communist and presumably taught his son how to hate, the power to decide what is fair for the rest of us.

 

[8537]

It's not the government's responsibility to make sure that life is fair.

Then why does the government run the court system and administer protection of private property?

 

[Wiseacre]

My basic problem with Obama's philosophy is that he focuses on soaking the rich rather than making sure the money the gov't gets now is wisely spent. He wants more and more money from those who have earned it so he can disperse it to those who have not. Does this not disincentivize both ends of the spectrum? Why should a low income person work harder or take a risk when their standard of living is okay as it is? Why should a foreign investor start a business here instead of somewhere else that is more tax and regulation friendly? It's like he's so focused on doing what's "fair" that he discounts the realities of the situation.

If I thought additional tax dollars would be well spent, and that the situation with the poor and lower income families might improve, I could see the increase. But that ain't the case, we're wasting money right nd left on duplicative programs that are either ineffective or fraudulaent. We have seenthat throwing money at a problem does not guarantee a solution, look at the tax dollars we waste on education. Education spending has tripled in the last 30 years, yet our kids are not any smarter or competitive against the rest of the world. I think Obama needs to stop worrying about the rich guys and focus more on doing more with the revenues he's getting now. Now that would be a plan to get re-elected.

 

[Dr.House]

Indeed, life is not fair.

If I had a preference, I would prefer to live in a fair world. in light of that, I would prefer policies that create more fairness to policies that create less fairness.

Perhaps you would prefer the opposite?

Fairness is subjective.

What may be seen as fair to you may be viewed as unfair to others.

Fairness is not purely subjective. I *think* we can all agree that slavery was objectively unfair.

The context that "fair" was used by 0bama is subjective...

 

[rightwinger]

My basic problem with Obama's philosophy is that he focuses on soaking the rich rather than making sure the money the gov't gets now is wisely spent. He wants more and more money from those who have earned it so he can disperse it to those who have not. Does this not disincentivize both ends of the spectrum? Why should a low income person work harder or take a risk when their standard of living is okay as it is? Why should a foreign investor start a business here instead of somewhere else that is more tax and regulation friendly? It's like he's so focused on doing what's "fair" that he discounts the realities of the situation.

If I thought additional tax dollars would be well spent, and that the situation with the poor and lower income families might improve, I could see the increase. But that ain't the case, we're wasting money right nd left on duplicative programs that are either ineffective or fraudulaent. We have seenthat throwing money at a problem does not guarantee a solution, look at the tax dollars we waste on education. Education spending has tripled in the last 30 years, yet our kids are not any smarter or competitive against the rest of the world. I think Obama needs to stop worrying about the rich guys and focus more on doing more with the revenues he's getting now. Now that would be a plan to get re-elected.

How are the rich being soaked when they are claiming a larger percentage of wealth than they had 10 years ago?

I would like to get soaked like that