Obama's not coming to get your guns! What now?

[Stephanie]

None of these things means anything, Obama is not our dictator..

probably a let down for some

 

[RoadVirus]

Obama didn't do what he was threatening to do because he knew he'd lose the fight. If anything, HE caved.

 

[Oldguy]

Obama didn't do what he was threatening to do because he knew he'd lose the fight. If anything, HE caved.

OMG! Is this the new FOX, WND talking point? Obama CAVED to the Nutter's?

Good grief. Y'all have no shame at all, do you?

 

[Stephanie]

Obama didn't do what he was threatening to do because he knew he'd lose the fight. If anything, HE caved.

OMG! Is this the new FOX, WND talking point? Obama CAVED to the Nutter's?

Good grief. Y'all have no shame at all, do you?

about the same amout as you do..just look at your title

 

[cereal_killer]

I called it.........nothing but right wing fear mongering. They like to fan the fires and get their base all riled up.

I'm telling you, all this nonsense we are subjected to everyday is nothing but a huge social experiment gone wrong

 

[PredFan]

Obama didn't do what he was threatening to do because he knew he'd lose the fight. If anything, HE caved.

Background checks on private sales, banning >10 round clips and mags, banning assault weapons. that isn't a cave by any definition of the word.

Hopefully throught the good work of the NRA, he won't get any of that either.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

But... but... something about Benghazi!!!!!!

Nonsense, that was just a bump in the road.

 

[SniperFire]

Obama didn't do what he was threatening to do because he knew he'd lose the fight. If anything, HE caved.

Indeed. Starting out a new term Impeached would suck!

 

[Stephanie]

I called it.........nothing but right wing fear mongering. They like to fan the fires and get their base all riled up.

I'm telling you, all this nonsense we are subjected to everyday is nothing but a huge social experiment gone wrong

lol, someone forcing YOU to subject yourself to things?

right wing fear mongering, would that the something like wanting to take away women's rights, the war on women, asking people to show ID to vote is "surrpressing" people RIGHTS, etc etc?

you people are a joke

 

[bayoubill]

Obama wins through sheer luck. He is surrounded by enemies who are even dumber than he is.

yep... that's 'bout it, in a nutshell...

 

[Oldguy]

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

Pay attention, people!

That's HIPAA -- you know, the act that is supposed to protect your health-care privacy? So now, your background check will include substantial delving into your medical records. In order to buy a firearm you will be required to give up your privacy -- which, by the way, is another Constitutionally-guaranteed right. So, do you really want to be forced to trade one right for another?

Remember, people who pass background checks by current standards are already law-abiding citizens -- so the above is tantamount to "search" without cause or evidence of any crime.

No it isn't. It merely seeks to find and address any legal barriers which prevent a doctor or healthcare provider from asking mental patients about how many guns they own or reporting dangerous people to the proper authorities.

You don't have a problem with medical professionals expressing their concerns about patients who they think pose an imminent risk to themselves or others, do you? Might that not have prevented Newtown?

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

So, now they can seize firearms from law-abiding citizens, and hold them "until a full background check" has been processed? I assume that means that they can seize any firearms, anywhere, even in your home?

This doesn't expand law enforcements power to seize guns. They already have that in some situations. All this does is open the background check system to law enforcement before they give guns BACK.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

A better idea would be to allow school employees (who already pass the most stringent background checks possible) to concealed-carry if they have permits. Had only ONE of the office personnel at Sandy Hook been carrying a firearm, Lanza would never have made it to that classroom.

This has to do with the ambush of firefighters in New York state, as well as Newtown.

Do you object to better training? Why?

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

"Maximize"? WTF does that mean? Does it mean that now, instead of simply responding to reports of crime, law enforcement is now supposed to... what? What does this mean?

You can thank the NRA and the Nutter's for this one. They've made much of the fact the Obama administration has not been pursuing gun crimes as much as has been done in the past.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Now instead of asking where I hurt, my doctor's going to be nosy about my weapons...

All this will do is let doctors know they CAN ask...not that they HAVE to ask.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

... and if I say "where I hurt is in my rear, 'cause it's a pain in the ass to answer all these questions about my firearms when all I have is osteoarthritis in my knees!", is my doctor going to report that I became "violent"?

You're hyperventilating. Just as with above, it merely informs healthcare providers about what they CAN do, not about what they MUST do.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

Is "resource" code for "armed security"?

So? I thought the right believed that was the better plan. Hell, you even said so above!

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

How's this for a plan: Allow permitted school personnel to concealed carry.

What's wrong with an emergency response plan? Heck, where I live they're already doing that. My grandkids have been involved in "lock down" practice at school just this week!

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

Or maybe, INCREASE those services?

Maybe. You got a problem with that? Why?

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

WTF?

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

WTF???

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

WTF?????

Let's wait and see what the wording of these are, shall we?

If Democrats pass this legislation, I am becoming a lifelong Republican.

What if the Republican's pass it? They'll have to for it get out of Congress.

 

[Stephanie]

Obama wins through sheer luck. He is surrounded by enemies who are even dumber than he is.

yep... that's 'bout it, in a nutshell...

well i guess we should be comforted by that

 

[hjmick]

Now what?

Now I go out and buy the guns I want before I can't...

 

[cereal_killer]

I called it.........nothing but right wing fear mongering. They like to fan the fires and get their base all riled up.

I'm telling you, all this nonsense we are subjected to everyday is nothing but a huge social experiment gone wrong

lol, someone forcing YOU to subject yourself to things?

right wing fear mongering, would that the something like wanting to take away women's rights, the war on women, asking people to show ID to vote is "surrpressing" people RIGHTS, etc etc?

you people are a joke

And that's the lefts game

 

[paravani]

Now what?

Now I go out and buy the guns I want before I can't...

Good luck with that. Millions of Americans have already voted for the 2nd Amendment with their dollars.

For the last two months, guns have been flying off the shelves in brick-n-mortar stores and at online auctions. An AK-47 that used to sell for about $300 is currently priced between $1000 and $1500; an AR-15 (the Newtown rifle) is selling for upwards of $2K, even for a low-end model.

Large-caliber rifles and handguns, especially those that take high-capacity magazines, are being purchased as soon as they hit the shelves. Magazines are going for premium prices; and with the passing of the legislation in New York, the price of a high-capacity magazine at online auction has doubled again, even and maybe especially for "wholesale" quantities of ten or more.

People are buying ammunition like it's going out of style. Retailers are backordered for up to nine months on everything but the lowest-quality ammunition -- and some have sold out of that, too. Cabela's has a limit of ten boxes of ammunition per customer -- when they have any available at all.

At online auction, a case of Yugoslavian military surplus ammunition is going for double, triple, and even quadruple its price tag just two months ago -- at AUCTION! And people ARE buying ammunition by the case -- as an investment if nothing else!

Gun shows are mobbed. Reports are that many of the attendees don't fit the usual demographic: in addition to hunters and good ol' boys, you now see mothers with children, grandmothers, and formerly anti-gun newbies coming to the shows by the thousands. Some shows have been so overwhelmed by crowds that they've had to control entry -- one out, one in. Others are issuing "rain checks" for attendance on the second day of the show, since there is no more room on the first day.

If you do attend a gun show on the second day, don't expect to find anything worth buying. The ammunition will be gone; so will all the semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and magazines. If there are any remaining at all, they will be offered at rich man's prices -- which, if you really want one, you'll pay without a grumble, or the guy behind you may just take the initiative to outbid you on the spot.

What's even more interesting about the gun- and ammunition-buying frenzy is that after all is said and done, and the gun-buying newbies head home with their brand-new firearms and ammunition... is that they are not then heading to the nearest gun range the next weekend to practice firing their new guns.

Perhaps it's the price of ammunition -- after paying $0.50 for a round that normally costs just 21 cents, you don't really want to just hear a bunch of bang-bangs, do you? And there is the risk that having used up your ammunition on firing practice, you may not be able to find any more to buy.

Whatever the reason, Americans from all walks of life -- Democrats and liberals, formerly anti-gun mothers and little old ladies -- are stocking up on guns and ammunition in record numbers... and then they're just sitting on them. They are using them; they aren't "having fun" with them; they're saving them.

What are they saving them for? Any ideas?

-- Paravani

 

[hjmick]

Now what?

Now I go out and buy the guns I want before I can't...

Good luck with that. Millions of Americans have already voted for the 2nd Amendment with their dollars.

For the last two months, guns have been flying off the shelves in brick-n-mortar stores and at online auctions. An AK-47 that used to sell for about $300 is currently priced between $1000 and $1500; an AR-15 (the Newtown rifle) is selling for upwards of $2K, even for a low-end model.

Large-caliber rifles and handguns, especially those that take high-capacity magazines, are being purchased as soon as they hit the shelves. Magazines are going for premium prices; and with the passing of the legislation in New York, the price of a high-capacity magazine at online auction has doubled again, even and maybe especially for "wholesale" quantities of ten or more.

People are buying ammunition like it's going out of style. Retailers are backordered for up to nine months on everything but the lowest-quality ammunition -- and some have sold out of that, too. Cabela's has a limit of ten boxes of ammunition per customer -- when they have any available at all.

At online auction, a case of Yugoslavian military surplus ammunition is going for double or triple its price tag just two months ago. And people ARE buying ammunition by the case -- as an investment if nothing else!

Gun shows are mobbed. Reports are that many of the attendees don't fit the usual demographic: in addition to hunters and good ol' boys, mothers with children, grandmothers, and formerly anti-gun newbies are coming to the shows by the thousands. Some shows have been so overwhelmed by crowds that they've had to control entry -- one out, one in. Others are issuing "rain checks" for attendance on the second day of the show, since there is no more room on the first day.

If you do attend a gun show on the second day, don't expect to find anything worth buying. The ammunition will be gone; so will all the semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and magazines. If there are any remaining at all, they will be offered at rich man's prices -- which, if you really want one, you'll pay without a grumble, or the guy behind you may just take the initiative to outbid you on the spot.

What's even more interesting about the gun- and ammunition-buying frenzy is that after all is said and done, and the gun-buying newbies head home with their brand-new firearms and ammunition... is that they are not then heading to the nearest gun range the next weekend to practice firing their new guns.

Perhaps it's the price of ammunition -- after paying $0.50 for a round that normally costs just 21 cents, you don't really want to just hear a bunch of bang-bangs, do you? And there is the risk that having used up your ammunition on firing practice, you may not be able to find any more to buy.

Whatever the reason, Americans from all walks of life -- Democrats and liberals, formerly anti-gun mothers and little old ladies -- are stocking up on guns and ammunition in record numbers... and then they're just sitting on them. They are using them; they aren't "having fun" with them; they're saving them.

What are they saving them for? Any ideas?

-- Paravani

Luckily I have a head start...

 

[Too Tall]

Here's what the President has recommended Congress do and what he will do through Executive action and Orders.

As you can see...he's not coming to get your guns. In spite all the anguish, weeping, wailing and predictions of dire days ahead, he's actually proposing very little which is new. In fact, you might even say this response is a little tepid and it has disappointed the most rabid gun grabbers.

What say you now? Will you apologize for all the manure you've spread, for all the lies you've told, for bombarding us with your facile, simplistic, ideologically driven conspiracy theories?

i thought not. After all...it's STILL Obama....ain't it?


To be done by executive action:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


Requests for congressional action:

Require criminal background checks for all gun sales. (a.k.a. closing the "gun show loophole.")

Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.

Restore the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines.

Protect police by finishing the job of getting rid of armor-piercing bullets.

Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime.

End the freeze on gun violence research.

Make our schools safer with more school resource officers and school counselors, safer climates, and better emergency response plans.

Help ensure that young people get the mental health treatment they need.

Ensure health insurance plans cover mental health benefits.

Read President Obama's New, Proposed Executive Orders and Legislation on Guns

Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
• Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
• Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
o Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
o Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.

• Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
• Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

 

[OODA_Loop]

When will he do something to stop criminals ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

None of these things means anything, Obama is not our dictator..

probably a let down for some

You are right: he is not, nor can he be, a dictator. We are a constitutional republic guaranteed by the rule of law through our legislatures and courts. All the screaming will change nothing, only elections.

 

[bucs90]

I saw a lot about funding and training for law enforcement and mental health.

Just that alone is 1000X more than the GOP wants to do for those two groups, and he earned some support from me for that.