Obama: US "Not a Christian Nation"

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    Obama: U.S. "Not A Christian Nation Or A Jewish Nation Or A Muslim Nation" (VIDEO)

    I guess I have a problem understanding the right-wing uproar about this.

    "Unbelievable!" says one conservative.

    "We've always been a Judeo-Christian nation and this revisionist history is enough!"

    Fortunately, this poster is incorrect. We are NOT a Judeo-Christian nation. The Founding Fathers HATED Christianity so much so that Jefferson himself wrote his own Bible.

    The United States of America does not have an official religion. We are NOT a Christian nation. Why are the conservatives in an uproar about this?
     
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    It's not a christian nation. I haven't seen the right wingers on the board ranting about this. So why beat them to the punch? or you just feelin' like stirring the pot a little today. :eusa_whistle:

    just wondering.
     
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    That would be why God is mentioned so many times in the documents establishing this nation right? That would be why CHRISTIAN Chaplins have always opened the House and Senate with a prayer and are maintained at least by the house on a permanent bases?

    That would be why almost every President has been sworn in with a BIBLE, A CHRISTIAN BIBLE.

    Jefferson attended religious service every week while President in , as I recall, the House of Representatives.
     
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    yah...it's not like the foundiing fathers were actually deists or anything. :cuckoo:
     
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    Here's article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated by George Washington, Signed by President John Adams, and unanimously approved by the US Senate in 1797



     
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    "Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." In correspondence, he sometimes expressed confidence that the whole country would be Unitarian, but he recognized the novelty of his own religious beliefs. On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

    Monticello Report: Jefferson's Religious Beliefs

    jefferson doesn't sound to me like he hated christianity, he just didn't accept all the dogma.
    he seemed to think pretty highly of christ, though.

    we'll add this to the list of things you know less than nothing about.
     
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    Care to provide a source for that? Otherwise, WTF are you talking about?

     
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    Jefferson didn't buy the miracle stuff, but rightfully thought Jesus had a lot of the right ideas.

    bummer that so many Christians don't pay his words any mind.
     
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    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782



    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782



    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


    They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
    -Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800
     
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    and these quotes prove that jefferson hated christianity how, exactly?
     

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